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[Digital Foundry] In Theory: Is PS5 Powered By AMD's Gonzalo Processor?
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DeepEnigma
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The problem with most information coming out from these “leakers”, they have that shred of feeling of being bias led to them, whether it’s a slight positive or negative which does not sound kosher to how these companies operate spec wise.
And it seems to only be getting worse since Cerny dropped the architecture vagueness.
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CrustyBritches
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I'm not convinced by HBM2+DDR4 rumors. Nvidia is already using GDDR6 on everything from 1660 ti and up, and Navi is going to use GDDR6. Seems like the market would follow GDDR6 more naturally due to this.
Shin
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It got me wondering as 16GB is a rumor that was thrown around before (don't remember if they wrote GDDR6 behind it).
Whatever the case people sure are creative as a new "information/leak/rumor" pops up every other day/week.
So far I've narrowed it down to Tum Apisak (Gonzalo SoC for potentially Gaming consoles), RuthenicCookie (slight doubt there) and something else (forgot, I read a lot).
TLZ
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So it's all up in the air really.
What? I never knew there was a radiocast. I'd rather listen to that. You have a link compadre?
Gamernyc78
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Super biased armchair analysts in the wild of course talking about lower numbers lol never fails.
Sony console won't be less than 12tf imo.
Sony console won't be less than 12tf imo.
SonGoku
Member
$399 needs to die, I hope they make it $499 that way chip size can be on the X range with good cooling. So raging from 360-400 mm2
Could net anywhere from 12-14TF
I'll settle for 12TF AND won't take a GF less.
demigod
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I’m fine with 11TFlops, anything higher is just icing on the cake full of awesome exclusives.
Shin
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PSVR was confirmed at least, the rest should but nothing official yet AFAIK.
SonGoku
Member
Reads like an over engineered heap of trash
Whats the point of using HBM with that anemic bandwidth?
Not buying it, either fake or devkit place holder
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They already confirmed PSVR, so possibly.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
Cerny already said PSVR will be. Wouldn't be shocked if DS4 is too.
Shin
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SonGoku
Member
Im fine with double the X. So 12TF
People forget 4k will eat up a lot of resources, throw in resource hog RT into the mix and we need every TF we can.
Slings and Arrows
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Somebody help me out here.
Can it play Crisis, Yes/No?
Can it play Crisis, Yes/No?
TLZ
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Just watched the video. This one is much better than the last rambling one. Nice investigation and research work there. All thanks to Apisak too.
Btw, if testing started at 1ghz, then 3 months later 1.8ghz, and has a Max of 3.2ghz, what's stopping them from testing at higher than 1.8ghz? Trying to achieve the highest possible power without blowing up the console
Wasn't the X at above 2ghz, or am I confusing things?
Btw, if testing started at 1ghz, then 3 months later 1.8ghz, and has a Max of 3.2ghz, what's stopping them from testing at higher than 1.8ghz? Trying to achieve the highest possible power without blowing up the console
Wasn't the X at above 2ghz, or am I confusing things?
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SonGoku
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and incredibly slow at that! given all the copromises of such setup i call fake.
You are mixing CPU and GPU clocks.Just watched the video. This one is much better than the last rambling one. Nice investigation and research work there. All thanks to Apisak too.
Btw, if testing started at 1ghz, then 3 months later 1.8ghz, and has a Max of 3.2ghz, what's stopping them from testing at higher than 1.8ghz? Trying to achieve the highest possible power without blowing up the console
Wasn't the X at above 2ghz, or am I confusing things?
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DeepEnigma
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Never.
SonGoku
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#Team60
Isn't Vega 64 12TF?
So in between 12-13tf is what we should expect?
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TLZ
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Yes. I had a feeling I did
Shin
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SonGoku
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HBM main advantage is bandwith right? 400GB/s is pretty anemic compared to what GDRR6 offers
I read the leak, using salvaged parts and whatnot with all the extra hw needed its going to eat uo silicon budget
24 GDDR6 using 2GB chips 800 GB/s makes much more sense.
FP16 REDEEMED!Time to go full on mental:
64cux64x2x3.2ghz = 26TF let's do this!
Expect my area in flames and in the news worldwide, all because of that console ^
Time stamp please
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McHuj
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He said performance not teraflop count. I expect Navi to be a lot more efficient so it may perform better then Vega64 at a lower flop count.
SonGoku
Member
Do you know the time stamp?
Maybe the performance per TF stays the same but the power efficiency is much better which would explain the surprisingly high 1.8GHz clock.
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Shin
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He asked for a link, I was the one that supplied that audiocast, hence the re-link.
Surely their cooling solution is better than that.
Silver Wattle
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Sony get cheap HBM from Samsung/hynix/micron, but TSMC is making it?
Shin
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Not strange, memory/supplier vs. APU.
Same thing happened with PS4, Samsung memory but APU was done at TSMC and the whole thing got put together by Foxconn.
TLZ
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That was a good listen. Thank you.
TLZ
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No nothing.
SonGoku
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timestamp pls
Daily Conversations: Playstation 5 with Wired's Peter Rubin
Danny's phone conversation with Wired's senior correspondent, Peter Rubin about his exclusive interview with Mark Cerny. First official details about PlayStation 5. You can read his exclusive look at the next-generation PlayStation here: https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-s...
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ethomaz
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Vega 64 is 12.6TFs.
Evilms
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It's simple : 22 GB of GDDR6 with 352 bits bus memory (20 Gbps) =>
20 Gbps / 8 = 2.5 Gbps
2.5 x 352 = 880 GB/s
Evilms
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I strongly doubt that sony and especially m.cerny will choose two different types of memory when unified memory on PS4 has proven to be the right solution. Personally, I think it will be GDDR6, which would seem logical and less complicated for developers.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am more curious about how despite about 25 years doing a respectable strong job pushing the industry forward, every time Sony is talking about something it is cause of concern and doubt vs American company saying the same or bolder stuff and that eliciting hype and throwing critical reasoning out of the window...
PS1 rocking it and Xbox starting to loom over the horizon? Concern... fear... nobody wins twice in a row... PS2 smashed records? Next gen is the interesting one, nobody wins three times in a row, MS is just starting to get serious... PS3 recovers and concludes the generation really really well paving the way for PS4? Age of Sony is done, Durango is where it’s at, final nail in the coffin, etc... PS4 greatly outsells the competition and delivers tons of great software gems... <insert more F.U.D.>... tsk about the competition, how the next generation is really the interesting one and find some talking points to exaggerate and to stick it to then anytime you can...
Not sure why...
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alabtrosMyster
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I think that PS5 will be around 10TF, and I also don't think that the new xbox machine can be faster, but not much above 12. Which puts both next gen console pretty much in the same ballpark, given that everything else is fixed (resolution is 4k, or 1080p, they run the same games) while you could enable slightly prettier options on the faster machine, the difference will be much more subtle than it has ever been in the past.
Which makes me think that MS blew off their load with the X, it will be pretty hard to differentiate their next gen machine from the new ones.
What I believe is that there may be differentiation in what's hardware accelerated, libraries, and OS (raytracing, 3d positional audio, fast I/O, games, etc.)... so given the closeness, it will be pretty nice to ear all those "arguments" about whether you should play on the mayonnaise or the mustard console!
You: I don't know, people do all sorts of bad things in their houses now-a-days, families used to cook more and eat out less, this is what brought society where it comfortably sits at the moment.
My honest answer: well, a new console doesn't counter this, it will only make it easier for smaller teams to develop their games using Unity or other tools not geared toward performance, but productivity... and they'll end up making more with their time.
But the best way to get those games will always be to buy them on PC, this is where most indie fun happens.
Which makes me think that MS blew off their load with the X, it will be pretty hard to differentiate their next gen machine from the new ones.
What I believe is that there may be differentiation in what's hardware accelerated, libraries, and OS (raytracing, 3d positional audio, fast I/O, games, etc.)... so given the closeness, it will be pretty nice to ear all those "arguments" about whether you should play on the mayonnaise or the mustard console!
ME: I want a new house, with a bigger kitchen, and more room for the kids to play.
You: I don't know, people do all sorts of bad things in their houses now-a-days, families used to cook more and eat out less, this is what brought society where it comfortably sits at the moment.
My honest answer: well, a new console doesn't counter this, it will only make it easier for smaller teams to develop their games using Unity or other tools not geared toward performance, but productivity... and they'll end up making more with their time.
But the best way to get those games will always be to buy them on PC, this is where most indie fun happens.
Coulomb_Barrier
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I am more curious about how about 25 years doing a respectable strong job pushing the industry forward every time Sony is taking about something it is cause of concern and doubt vs American company saying the same or bolder and that eliciting hype and throwing critical reasoning out of the window... PS1 rocking it and Xbox starting to loom over the horizon? Concern... fear... nobody wins twice in a row... PS2 smashed records? Next gen is the interesting one, nobody wins three times in a row, MS is just starting to get serious... PS3 recovers and concludes the generation relay really well paving the way for PS4? Age of Sony is done, Durango is where it’s at, final nail in the coffin, etc... PS4 greatly outsells the competition and delivers tons of great software gems... <insert more F.U.D.>... tsk about the competition, how the next generation is really the interesting one and find some talking points to overblown and stick it to then anytime you can...
Not sure why...
Couldn't make much of head nor tail on that but my take is this: I like some of the other guys over at DF but Richard Leadbetter heading it all makes me question any of their content regarding consoles. He's a massive Xbox fanboy, he's even admitted as such. Regardless of personal feelings about him, you have to question their integrity/impartiality after that deal they made with MS where they had exclusive rights to reveal the Xbox One X, which was followed by countless articles on the hardware, drip-fed on their website, which verged on paid marketing. It was no-stop for weeks.
I would like to know if they were paid for all that and what affiliation they now have with MS? Why should anyone take them seriously or impartial after what was for all intents and purposes a marketing deal for one of the platform makers, especially when it comes to Playstation content? I mean at least previously they could hide their bias as there was little concrete evidence of it
thelastword
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You know why......I am more curious about how about 25 years doing a respectable strong job pushing the industry forward every time Sony is taking about something it is cause of concern and doubt vs American company saying the same or bolder and that eliciting hype and throwing critical reasoning out of the window... PS1 rocking it and Xbox starting to loom over the horizon? Concern... fear... nobody wins twice in a row... PS2 smashed records? Next gen is the interesting one, nobody wins three times in a row, MS is just starting to get serious... PS3 recovers and concludes the generation relay really well paving the way for PS4? Age of Sony is done, Durango is where it’s at, final nail in the coffin, etc... PS4 greatly outsells the competition and delivers tons of great software gems... <insert more F.U.D.>... tsk about the competition, how the next generation is really the interesting one and find some talking points to overblown and stick it to then anytime you can...
Not sure why...
I am more curious about how about 25 years doing a respectable strong job pushing the industry forward every time Sony is taking about something it is cause of concern and doubt vs American company saying the same or bolder and that eliciting hype and throwing critical reasoning out of the window... PS1 rocking it and Xbox starting to loom over the horizon? Concern... fear... nobody wins twice in a row... PS2 smashed records? Next gen is the interesting one, nobody wins three times in a row, MS is just starting to get serious... PS3 recovers and concludes the generation relay really well paving the way for PS4? Age of Sony is done, Durango is where it’s at, final nail in the coffin, etc... PS4 greatly outsells the competition and delivers tons of great software gems... <insert more F.U.D.>... tsk about the competition, how the next generation is really the interesting one and find some talking points to overblown and stick it to then anytime you can...
Not sure why...
The issue I see with your line of reasoning, is for you.... Everything boils down to sales. Forget hardware, games, genres, features, controllers, etc...
It's all about how many of those Playstations Sony has sold. In a thread strictly about DF's reporting on Sony hardware, and here you are bringing up MS, and how Sony have dominated in sales.... When nobody is talking about that. Not even in the post you quoted.
What's curious to me is how sales became the measuring stick for consoles that it has. I'd say gaming in general, but it's really only consoles.
For example. Any 2 people can have a debate about which game is better. Let's say GTA5 vs Assassins Creed. Those 2 people will bat the merits of each game back and forth, but I've never seen anything like "GTA sold more, therefore it's better." Weather you debate auto brands on a car forum, or your favorite rifle company on a gun forum.... The "my preferred brand sold more" argument doesn't fly. Only when it comes to consoles is sales the measuring stick. It stifles discussion on the subject because points of merit are quickly overruled by "sales".
Not sure why.
Kenpachii
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No matter what they throw into it, it wil bottleneck hard on the GPU.
Which makes this upcoming gen like you said with RT and 4k a bit boring and predictable. The the bit more performance on a cpu or gpu or a memory isn't going to change much.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sales? Just sales... keep this idea that you do not know how by which magic spell they managed to do what they do for 25 years... forget the ICO’s, forget the Shadow of the Colossus’s, forget the Jak and Daxters, forget the Primal, forget the Uncharted’s, forget DriveClub (yes I went there
), forget the Ghost Hunter, forget the Gran Turismo’s, forget the Gravity Rush ones, forget the Crash Bandicoot’s, forget Horizon, forget TLoU’s, forget the Resogun/SSHD, etc... etc... yup... No Games Station 2.0 selling only because other people are allowing it? Beautiful narrative... if it were true .What I was bringing up was how Sony speaking == doubts. concern in the weather media while another one speaking say or MS == hype hype no rational critique allowed sometimes
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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You didn't really understand my post. Too lazy to reply back in detail as well but do whatever makes you happy.
IceManCat
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Not an exact comparison but Xbox was able to more than double it’s TF in just four years when they released the X. By that logic they should be able to more than double the X’s power 4 years later using all new hardware. I know this is about the PS5 but I’m just applying the same logic.
IceManCat
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Well if Vega 64 is 12.5 TF than we should expect higher since the consoles closed architecture leads to better performance in games.