Yup. It's why the difference between PS3 and 360 releases could appear so prounounced and why the jump to 640x480 from 320x240 was massive despite adding very few pixels compared to modern standards.
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Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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Lion Heart
Banned
For me it will be very nice knowing for the next three years I probably won't have to worry about shitty framerates AND I get better IQ and effects for a relatively low entry cost.
I know every time Sony or a third party reveals a game, I'll be playing it in an even better state since they'll show the OG first.
I personally feel Sony gets a lot of flak on this site, like they release this product and have to go above and beyond to prove its worth but when there is a slight 3DS revision or MS makes the slim, everyone starts trading in their old system and no one bats an eye or questions it. Yet this is twice the power and twice the storage for $100 extra MSRP.
I know every time Sony or a third party reveals a game, I'll be playing it in an even better state since they'll show the OG first.
I personally feel Sony gets a lot of flak on this site, like they release this product and have to go above and beyond to prove its worth but when there is a slight 3DS revision or MS makes the slim, everyone starts trading in their old system and no one bats an eye or questions it. Yet this is twice the power and twice the storage for $100 extra MSRP.
RichiRamjag
Member
I hear that. My random sales amounted to $380. Just enough to not cause a fuss lol.
What's going to be tough going forward is the youtube comparison videos just aren't going to be able to accurately demonstrate any differences between 4k native and 4k checkerboard. Youtube compression already makes comparisons tough to identify and with resolutions going even higher and changes more subtle YT compression will just wash it all away.
There's definitely been some double standards. I know Nintendo fans that had no issue with the New 3DS, but turned their noses up at the idea of PS4 Pro, despite it looking like Sony have actually done a much better job of making the thing worthwhile.
Another NDA wave drops tomorrow.
DF have said they are going to provide another option as Youtube can't do the videos justice.
//DEVIL//
Member
pro. because you will see the difference even in FHD screen.
I mean. Normal 500Gig Ps4 is like 300$. I am going to assume a 1T PS4 is about 350$. is the 50$ too much all the sudden ? lol
Pro for better image quality and performance.
Gunslinger
Member
Pro. It has options for non 4k owners too. Eg; Tomb raider or ni-oh. Also in the future if you ever buy a 4k tv even better.
You should definitely go with the Pro, if you can afford an extra $100. Even on a 1080p screen you will get a better image and some games might even offer different options for HDTV users like Rise of the Tomb Raider.
dragonzdogma
Member
Is a good thing we all have a massive backlog that pays off the pro, long live physical media.
Cheers brehs!
Cheers brehs!
It's supposedly quiet, but we won't really know until much later..
Huh?
Coolade
Member
Assuming he meant he will be doing a lot of trade ins at gamestop to pay for the ps4 pro.
I hope Digital Foundry's servers are ready for Monday.
I'm sure YouTube will be up tomorrow.
Oh I know, but I like reading their articles as well.
Ah ok totally misread that.
That's not all.
That's not all.
Download or high quality 4K streaming?
Edit: by the way Youtube & other websites will have a pretty good upgrade for 4K content coming next year
Karspankey
Banned
That's not all.
Can't wait for the videos! How girthy are they going to be (if you can say ofc)? I can imagine that you guys have been hard at work this week!
Equanimity
Member
Probably both. They might have partnered with Gamersyde for HQ streaming and download.
Does Battlefield need a patch?
This is the right move. I know Sony is playing this as a .5 gen launch, but it feels like an actual new console launch. It feels like the way the 1080p PS4/Xbone should have been from their launch. I've waited on the PS4/Xbone for so long that I'm pretty excited to jump into this gen (not counting the beloved WiiU I've had for a few years) and really experience some great 1080p gaming.
Can't wait to hear the following:
1.) impressions on noise in detail.
2.) impressions on loading times with a variety of HDD/SSDs.
3.) impressions on games that aren't patched (please pick Doom as it uses a variable refresh based on load; i'm hopeful that efficiencies inherent in the Pro design will affect the performance of the game)
Note: I love DF retro and please keep it coming.
I'm assuming it does but EA hasn't said anything one way or the other.
Bog
Junior Ace
Totally. I found myself stocking up on games during the B2G1 Target sale that are guaranteed to have a Pro patch.
michaelius
Banned
No point going with slim when price difference is so low
Did we get any details on Dishonored 2 yet ?
Because the product information of the PS Pro on Amazon Germany, lists a couple of details about some pro modes and Dishonored 2 is listed with native 4k.
HDR, higher base resolution and being far more stable with the dynamic resolution.
Because the product information of the PS Pro on Amazon Germany, lists a couple of details about some pro modes and Dishonored 2 is listed with native 4k.
HDR, higher base resolution and being far more stable with the dynamic resolution.
dead monkey uk
Member
Mass Effect is also going to have a 1080p option on the pro. Sony really should have talked more about HDTV improvements at the reveal.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Probably a more consistent 1080p and 60 FPS.
No hopes for supersampling? :/
BRocknRolla
Member
Certainly a possibility. I don't see why it wouldn't be on the table.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's entirely possible. I just stated the bare bones. The rest is up to Dice.
thelastword
Banned
I would think that's a needed approach because I've been watching some 4k youtube videos from gaming websites and the compression can still be really awful at times. I hope gamersyde has their videos lined up because their quality will be essential here.
The GPU power on display is more than enough to provide resolutions well in excess of 1080p, even for non native PS4 titles.
Its just that, for those games that may drop below 1080p on PS4, even having a clean native 1080p for many developers would be enough effort put in.
For something like titanfall 2 which has a dynamic res that rarely is at 1080p, and can go down to 720p at worst case scenario(according to DF, titanfall 2 can go down to 480p!) on Xbox One), just having a clean 1080p lock would be enough IMO.
chromatic9
Member
Even short 30-60 second clips should be enough for 4k video comparisons. We don't necessarily have to have 5-10 min videos with huge files. It's important to get the quality across. YT is absolutely terrible.
One of the reasons why I believe framerate and not image quality will be the bigger deciding factor for the average consumer looking to purchase the Scorpio or PS4 Pro.
If you think Sony is having a difficult time selling people on the Pro with its faux 4K, imagine the position Microsoft will be in if Scorpio games on average perform even a little worse to achieve that native 4k resolution. Not suggesting that will be the case, but it is a possibility.
thelastword
Banned
You have a point, that does happen. I will say though, native will always be superior to any other technique that mimicks it. However the way it was done in the past was just through an upscale either by your tv or the console which had untold artefacts, blurring and smudged detail.
However, right now ,there is hardware that mitigates such issues and it's something that was carefully planned and tackled whilst developing the console; (checkerboarding with TAA, id buffer, DCC, the primitive discard accelerator, multiple wavefronts on CU's including utilization of halfloat operations), are all newly introduced to consoles to makre rendering at higher resolutions less taxing and to produce a final image that has less artefacts which does not eschew detail. It's a console box, they had to go that route, because there's no way you are putting $1500-2000 worth of hardware in a console to do 4k gaming (for triple AAA) titles in 2016.
People have to understand, that in the Pro's case, it's not goal post moving that people are saying that chekerboarding is really close to native when you see it side by side, rather it's appreciating how much good work Cerny did with the vision he had and the results speak for itself. I've not been against non native entirely as I played many non native games on my 1080p set, but my argument was always get me something looking as good as native and maybe I'll be impressed.
People use to say that Shadowfall's Reprojection was 1080p, but it wasn't, just like checkerboarding is not native, the difference however is in the results. Shadowfall's reprojection would never fool anybody who's into tech that it was native or close, but here, people are mightily impressed with checkerboarding. It's simple really, a system was designed to give results close enough to 4k at a much lower cost and they've succeeded.....I believe checkerboarding to full 2160p as opposed to 1800p will be a sight to behold in future titles. Few titles are doing full on 2160p checkerboarding so far....but there are a few. (I believe Zero Dawn is one).....
Other topic;
As for another topic being discussed earlier in this thread.....Would there not be banding or other artefacts in 10bit or even 12bit color sets. I'm sure if your eyes are trained enough you can always detect some discrepancies. Going from 8bit to 10bit color depth does not mean 10bit color reproduction is perfect in every regard. In a couple of years, people will say "10bit color is shit how could you guys play that way or thought it was all that great", look how much better 16bit CD is or 24bit CD is....Hmmmph......HDR as it is currently, will also improve quite a bit going forward as well......it's just how technology works
In any case, here's a description on the set I highlighted earlier as it relates to 10 bit....