GiantBreadbug
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I truly understand the appeal of 60, but this makes virtually no difference to me. Will be buying anyway.
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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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No way in hell is that game unplayable at 30fps. That crap in general needs to stop. Is it ideal? No! 30fps is not some horrible thing though and I will never accept people trying to act like it is.
TwilightPrincess
Member
Dumb, you should wait if the 30fps are stable, all in all it seems to be a great port.
killatopak
Member
Yes there's enjoyment to be had on 30fps as well. I'm just waiting for reviews of the game since most of the people who previously played Doom say that 60fps is required. To be clear, I haven't played any version of Doom yet so waiting for that Switch release until I decide which platform to play it on.
There could be if they implement a dynamic resolution on docked. It seems that the 30fps reported by DF is not a locked one. Keep in mind though the game played by Richard doesn't seem to be the final version of the game. There could still be optimizations coming out in the three months til release and it seems everybody in the thread is forgetting about it.
It's not my opinion. Just what I see from some posts.
Gotdatmoney
Member
You haven't even seen it running or read impressions at all and you're already sure that they could get it to 60fps. The people who played it said it was fine. They said 30fps was inevitable. You can wait at least 1 day and read some more impressions before coming out with could have and should haves.
And lol, if to port games to the Switch they need to cut the framerate in half they sure as hell are gonna cut the framerate in half. Like why should other people not play a product because you demand 60fps? Did you foot the bill?
JonnyDBrit
Member
At least the RandomGaminginHD fandom should be able to tolerate it.
And the Xbox and PS versions run at 60Fps so I don't get why they are being brought up?
That's the thing for a year we've been hearing how shitty the jaguar cpu is and how clock for clock this and that switch is better but in the end the games are getting downgraded.
Although it's amusing watching people twist them selves in knots to be ok with 30fps games after bemoaning PS4/X1 games for the entire generation.
Green Yoshi
Member
Back on N64 we would have cheered about locked 30 fps. ;-)
N21
Member
I thought the Switch is around 700Gflops, which should be around more than half of the original XB1 power?
Oh it's not like they lie, they alway provide frame rates and hard facts but they have a habit of downplaying things a bit with their wording, if something is a dumpster fire they usually call it "not optimal" or something similar.
You can't really go around throwing publishers under the bus and not expect to be blacklisted or some other form of retaliation, it's not unheard of.
GamePlay Johnny
Member
It's handheld Doom. It's not for everyone but its got an audience.
2K games put NBA2K on the system - some people didn't care for a 30FPS sports game, some people were thrilled to have a full version of NBA2K on the go.
It's amazing how a positive DF analysis can get such reactions. They were basically saying - it's handheld Doom and it works. If you don't care for handheld Doom this wasn't for you in the first place, if you do care for handheld Doom then this looks like your best shot to get it.
2K games put NBA2K on the system - some people didn't care for a 30FPS sports game, some people were thrilled to have a full version of NBA2K on the go.
It's amazing how a positive DF analysis can get such reactions. They were basically saying - it's handheld Doom and it works. If you don't care for handheld Doom this wasn't for you in the first place, if you do care for handheld Doom then this looks like your best shot to get it.
Hell, we pretty much cheer about locked 30fps on today's consoles...
I'm gonna keep asking my "does anyone else think gyro controls in Doom would be fun" question here because I don't think people are going to see it at the framerate the last few pages have been running on. I feel like that would be some goody, hectic shit. Admittedly, I haven't played more than an hour of Doom so maybe it'd be a mess given how fast the game is.
Did anyone catch the DF retro on the doom ports? The GBA port was highly praised for its ability to take the doom experience and shrink it down into handheld.
History repeating
I didnt realise that was confirmed - yeah im pleased for that. Ive recently come to the opinion that everything should have a gyro control option
History repeating
I didnt realise that was confirmed - yeah im pleased for that. Ive recently come to the opinion that everything should have a gyro control option
Gotcha!
Okami Haundo
Member
Glad to see we finally have some impressions, though it's interesting that they didn't have much footage. Were they not at the preview event?
Anyway, 30 vs 60 is a tradeoff I expected for the Switch version of a modern console game. If it looks good in action, I'm all in just to support games like this coming to the platform. I also never got to play all the way through DOOM so this'll be my first chance.
Anyway, 30 vs 60 is a tradeoff I expected for the Switch version of a modern console game. If it looks good in action, I'm all in just to support games like this coming to the platform. I also never got to play all the way through DOOM so this'll be my first chance.
Yeah, there was no way this would run at 60fps. My GTX 760 couldn't keep 60fps, FFS. I beat the game at 30fps most of the time at the lowest settings. I have no idea why people call ID6 "highly scalable". Is it because 60fps games on consoles are so rare that suddenly they think any engine capable of producing them is scalable all the way down to the Nintendo DS or something?
Jasong7777
Banned
60 fps was a pipe dream. It's a portable Doom, thats good enough.
Dictator93
Member
Yeah just checked. The "low" preset does indeed disable DoF. Thx.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Huh, that one actually surprises me. What settings?
I replayed Doom with a Steam Controller + Gyro aiming and it was really fun.
Already have it on PC. It's about this game and all games on Switch in general.
I took the New 3DS XL as an example since that shit cost 2/3 of a Switch. Them being different devices doesn't justify it. Sure. Switch is portable, but it's also said to be 2-3x more powerful than a WiiU and I haven't really seen that yet.
Switch is supposed to replace a WiiU as a stationary console being portable second in my opinion. That makes it a competitor to PS4 and Xbox One. PS4 and Xbox One are also different devices to each other, but they at least have reasonable price tags for what you get.
I might be off topic, but do you know what they want for a separate dock for Switch?
About $160. Piece of plastic with an AC adapter and USB C to HDMI/USB hub.
Schnozberry
Member
It's less than ideal, certainly. 60fps really enhances the doom experience because it really adds to the frenetic pace the game lends itself to. But I think people saying 30fps is unplayable must have just started playing games around the time that 30/60fps became some kind e-peen argument where everyone has to take hard stances. I originally played Doom on a low end 486, and loved every second of it, and that shit was nowhere near 30fps.
That said, 30fps with some clever motion blur, as long as the input lag is low, is a damn fine effort on the Switch for a game like Doom. It's a tablet SOC, after all.
Lmao...ok
The lowest possible, with resolution scaling set so it's effectively running at ~720p. Also an i5 2500k.
RavageDark
Member
So, are they going to do docked impressions?
Nononono, sorry I was just speculating. I'm hoping they add it in but, given the fast nature of Doom, I wasn't sure if it would be feasible or fun.
Given that they haven't mentioned it, I'm a tad concerned they won't bother.
Sweeeeet
Yeah its pretty hilarious. Digital Foundry played it and is impressed but a bunch of internet "Experts" that havent say meh
I'll believe you, you're probably more keen on tech than me. If it wasn't possible no matter how, then maybe "bad port" isn't adapted and "bad version of the game" is more fitting.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Bethesda probably didn't want the footage out there already, I can understand.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
The ๖ۜBronx;249535602 said:
Pretty easy to ignore someone claiming Doom feels good at 30fps.
Eh, DooM 60fps is required in the same sense that Destiny 2 60fps is required. It feels much better since its really smoother. 60fps > 30fps is a fact. You have the people that tried Destiny 2 PC Beta and said they couldn't get back to 30fps console destiny. But many like to think that their system of choice is the sweet spot, so 60fps is required for DooM but 30fps is perfectly fine for Destiny 2.
As someone who played DooM at 90fps, I can tell you that indeed, 30fps will be a downgrade, but won't be unplayable and will still be a better game than most 30fps console shooters. I mean, gameplay is not really faster than DOOM at high difficulty level and people played that at 20fps if they were lucky.
I mean, this is a powerhouse for the form factor that it is. But I get what you mean. It'd be nice to see alternate timeline Nintendo that had something in line w PS4. Would love to see Zelda or something else like that. As it is I like the direction Nintendo went. I just hope we get games that sort of fit within the limits of the system.
Serenitynow
Member
I'll see how it reviews. If people have fun playing it, I'll buy it
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if a number were people who own a gaming PC and dislike the idea of there being a 'poor' version of their beloved DOOM (2016). As a primarily console gamer I'm really excited at the thought of being able to play that game on a portable device. It's not often I see console owners spark up the "30FPS is unacceptable" argument, unless they own a Pro.
I watched a mirror and they were at a preview event and played for 40 minutes across a variety of levels undocked. They couldn't take video. No footage to analyze so it was based off comparing the Direct footage ripped off Youtube compared to PS4. They also try to simulate Switch on a low level PC, but Switch undocked outperformed the PC with "Switch docked" specs. He said the version he played on Switch looked like the Direct footage and was 30 fps with some drops in busier scenes. They speculated that it was being limited by CPU since their "Switch docked" PC was maxing out there.
Panic Button did the port, not ID Software.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
I wonder how is the performance on docked mode
JonnyDBrit
Member
I wonder if the i5 might have been the limiting factor then, though the current consoles are weaker still on either CPU or GPU. On the other hand, that would only prove the point of how the Switch's CPU could be even more of a bottleneck.
Suppose we were all getting our hopes up with 60.
N21
Member
Thank you, Jackstin.
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It's nothing to do with being a "console warrior". Don't make assumptions. It's just disappointing because the fast smooth gameplay is what makes Doom what it is. 60fps is a big part of that, and Doom Switch will lose something. It won't quite be the same game. Technical achievement or not, something important is being lost in translation.
Just because DF liked it and can deal with it's shortcomings, does not mean everyone else has to as well. There are trade offs, and you can like them or not. That up to each individual to decide.
Schnozberry
Member
Probably maintains a higher resolution with the GPU bump, but I doubt the framerate goes up. The CPU frequency and the number of threads available doesn't change between the two modes.
Completely different types of shooters I like Destiny but it is no where near as fast paced as Doom.