Dictator93
Member
Hell, I would bet a Core 2 Quad Q6600 (maybe not at stock though) can match the xbone and PS4 in games that use things like Vulkan or DX12.
Exactly.
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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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Exactly.
And neither the A57 or the Jaguars have hyperthreading :O .
JonnyDBrit
Member
It really does depend on how much you enjoy and utilise portability. As a handheld, it is incredible, but if you use it as just another games console, forever hooked up to your TV, games outside of exclusives and indies are gonna more than likely end up sub-par.
For me, I'm probably gonna get this because I really like the idea of being able to play DOOM wherever I want, regardless of the framerate. For others, that's not a good enough argument.
ScrabbleDude
Member
I'm in day one. I've never played DOOM, don't have another console because I don't really get tv gaming time. This looks fantastic.
Cept they, yknow, played it?
Id have to re-read, but im getting a 'how dare their soil the memory of doom with a shit port for an underpowered console' vibe. A switch owner who thinks it can/should match performance with non-portable hardware is an idiot, and I hope there arent that many in this thread....
What's stopping you from getting Doom on other systems if you aren't satisfied with the Switch performance of 3rdParty titles?
Don't even know of your post is about Doom since we haven't seen the Switch version yet.
Cost power ratio? I mean that's like complain that you Galaxy S8 can't outperform your PS4Pro even though it costs more. Different devices.
killatopak
Gold Member
it's not that 30fps is unplayable. I garner it's about Doom at 30fps which is unplayable or not ideal.
The same guys porting Rocket League. Now that's a game that just can't be at 30fps. It's also a pretty simplistic game graphically, so if Mario Kart 8 can run at full res 60fps.. there's no excuse.
Here's hoping.
All in all though it's impressive the Switch is even getting ports of games like Doom, and apparently looking pretty decent, and ultimately playable.
Here's hoping.
All in all though it's impressive the Switch is even getting ports of games like Doom, and apparently looking pretty decent, and ultimately playable.
Yeah we're all entitled to opinions everyone knows that. You don't need to do that thing people do on forums where you shout an opinion over and over then make a long post after several pages about how you're allowed to have an opinion because other people don't agree with your opinion.
I mean, they have to have a somewhat positive (or not too negative) message in their videos if they want to keep having access to content, it's kind of how it works.
Dictator93
Member
Why are you still building up this scenario that it is a choice that this is running at 30fps?
It seems to be a necessity for the game to exist at all on Switch. Not a choice.
MrFrankFontaine
Banned
Yup, I'll wait for some videos and impressions, but I'll pick it up if it feels fine to play.
Destiny can be very fast-paced at times and people exaggerate Doom's "fast-pacedness" IMO.
cireza
Member
Not taking this for myself, but I personally have a very hard time playing games at 30fps on my Xbox One (or whatever console). Especially games that have very fast camera movement.
There are some 60fps games on the console, like fighting games, Dark Souls II, Doom, Halo games etc... So there is still some choice available.
N21
Member
One was made like that while the other was clearly forced to accommodate 30FPS.
Doesn't help your case when you go out of your way to ignore facts. You said it's a bad port because Doom runs at 60 fps on a toaster. However, DF used a PC with specs that are actually better than undocked Switch and not only it doesn't run at 60 fps, but it also runs with more dips and lower settings than Switch version. So there, at least on that front you are objectively wrong.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Damn 
Dream is dead
Dream is deadScaryShark
Banned
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
This. No one ever should have expected a game like DOOM or any other AAA game where the definitive version is on PC should be a 1:1 experience. Concessions need to be made to have a game that can first be played portably and then have increased performance while docked. Any and all AAA games on the Switch should be looked at with this in mind. Unless they're not graphics heavy in the first place. The reason I bring up the PC version because that's the only version that I recall (I have this version) having locked 60fps. I remember Digital Foundry doing their videos on DOOM and I recall the FPS dropping into the 50s and even 40s when they were looking at the PS4/XBO versions. So all this concern about the Switch version makes no sense when the other console versions (unless you're using a PS4 Pro likely) had their own issues.
You know or should know what you're getting into before you make the purchase. So if a game isn't 60fps people should not be losing their minds. There will be a real possibility that will be the first thing to get slash for the very simple fact that Switch is not as powerful as the PS4/XBO or a PC in raw power. The power requirements aren't there and even if it was you can't drain the battery in minutes.
If we get a really decent looking version of DOOM that runs solid in undocked and docked modes, even if there are issues here and there, then that's damn good win. Doesn't matter if it's 30fps. If that 60fps is so critical then you should never have been curious about the Switch version.
coughlanio
Member
In that video, he's running at 960x540 with a 50% resolution scale, so 480x270, and is struggling to maintain 30FPS.
Lanrutcon
Member
The game is awesome. Everyone should play it. It could have been an absolute disaster, instead it came out of nowhere and did the originals justice.
Why does one have to be a "fanboy" in order to shit on aspects of a console that's lacking?
I can't own a Switch en express my thoughts on it's cons w/o being called a fanboy? If everyone keeps defending everything related to Nintendo or whatever we will never see decent progress and improvements.
Some people want Doom to be set to wireframe mode at 320x240.
Dictator93
Member
Not to correct you to be an ass, but the video pointed out that switch is running at worse than the lowest settings actually (texture quality, probably lower resolution than 960X540 with dynamic resolution, lower quality depth of field than lowest settings). The problem was that they could not force the depth of field to be as low quality in the PC version as it is on Switch, so they just turned it off instead.
LoL. I honestly do not think that would even run at 60hz
ScaryShark
Banned
Destiny is not fast paced. It was also made with 30 fps in mind and it shows. Doom never was. That's the difference. It's a terrible comparison that makes little sense outside of it being a recent game that is also a FPS.
Then why are they trusted at all here if they are going to just skew everything to fit their agenda of "having access to content"? Wouldn't that kill their credibility?
It's time to upgrade that toaster
As far as the actual game goes, would gyro aiming in Doom be ridiculous or is that actually something that would be worthwhile (if you're inclined to enjoy that sort of thing)? I've only played about an hour of the PS4 version, so I'm having a hard time imagining how that'd feel.
What again is trash....plenty of enjoyment to be had at 30fps. Embarrassing reaction in here and I can bet that more then half the people who said they won't play it don't even own a switch!
Apparently not everyone know.
They could have downgraded it further to reach 60fps. Apparently it still has the whole post-process effects, depth of field and that sort of effects running on ?
They announced DOOM for the console, proclaiming that it's the same experience with the same DOOM-feel, and it's not asinine to expect 60fps based on that. Again, in my opinion, if no matter how they did it, they couldn't have reached 60fps, they shouldn't have bother porting the game at all, because in both cases it wouldn't feel good to play (especially for the 60$ version), and it's not the true DOOM.
What do you think is lacking? A more powerful SoC that would cost way more and last way longer? Or a non-portable console? Cant have all three.
Company ports awesome game to handheld and naturally has to compromise. If that causes you outrage then maybe your not a fanboy, but def being short sighted about something...
coughlanio
Member
I don't think you're understanding, that at a point, games become CPU dependent.
N21
Member
Okay, so there's no chance of 720p docked?
dancrane212
Member
On the Direct (assumedly docked) footage.
https://youtu.be/bXktQr6EeuI?t=499
"I reckon that the Switch is possibly running lower than 540p here"
I can understand this in regards to VR, since that is essentially a simulated reality achieved through sensory deprivation. But if this is a general issue that you have (your eyes picking up each frame at 30fps), then I would say that this is an extraordinary situation that would effect very few people, and would also make the original reply very relevant (it must be painful to watch TV and movies).
I've heard of stress as a result of constantly fluctuating frame rates, skipping frames, blending frames, adjusting frame rates (suddenly speeding up or slowing down), and even general lag (audio or in this case input), but never a locked, relatively standard frame rate.
I'll take your word on it, since I'm more familiar with this subject via film and have never heard of this, but that sounds like a horrible situation for the people who have to deal with it.
Dictator93
Member
Those things you mention - post process effects like depth of field and perobject motion blur - are engine features which are run on the GPU. The game itself - a.i., level size, amount of necessary geometry on screen to represent the 3d objects in the game space, the sound simulation, the path finding, etc. - all run on the CPU. That CPU in the Switch, through the logic of deduction and analogy like DF did, cannot run THE GAME at 60 fps. No reduction in visuall quality would make Doom run at 60 fps on Switich. It would have to be a different game entirely.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Disabling those effects might not be enough to DOUBLE the frame rate though.
To achieve 60, they may have had to go even lower in resolution or seriously scale back on the poly count for models or give everything terrible blurry textures, etc. Basically, it's not something they were prepared to do.
Indeed. I think to reduce CPU load, they would need to do things like remove enemies or change AI.
coughlanio
Member
uncleslappy
nethack is my favorite dark souls clone
I cant tell the difference between 60 and 30 usually. It was my favorite game of 2016. You bet I'm playin this on the go.
That and along a scanline filter would be a pretty bad ass mode for the game, though!
JonnyDBrit
Member
It might be, it might not be. It depends on what exactly is the limiting factor(s) for the Switch's performance and what the additional horsepower from being docked could do for it. It might be that the graphical demands are low and it's mostly a CPU bottleneck, so it'll scale right up to 900p or something. It might be that it'll just be stable enough to maintain a locked a 720p30. Maybe we'll be really unlucky, and it's that, and still needs dynamic resolution every now and again.
We just don't know.
N21
Member
No, not like this.
900p is too much, but I would be happy if can be achieved.
That's a shame, I was hoping for 720p at least.
Dictator93
Member
It would not effect the framerate at all probably if they turned off those effects or reduced texture resolution. The game is probably thoroughly CPU bound 90% of the time, hence the framerate cap, hence that they turned on superfluous GPU effects.
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Deleted member 125677
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pls behave
Lowest setting for PC = no DoF.