Did you even saw the video? lowest PC setting was no depth of field, and post effects all, which the Switch has. They gave no mention of how many and how severe were the dips and couldn't confirm the resolution at all.
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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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Did you even saw the video? lowest PC setting was no depth of field, and post effects all, which the Switch has. They gave no mention of how many and how severe were the dips and couldn't confirm the resolution at all.
Revolutionary
Member
Called it the moment it was revealed
Because the game was only playable in handheld mode. There will be no direct feed video captures once the embargo lifts.
'really?: I guess only PS4 players are sol, then.BassForever
Member
Okay... then you're good, you can stop arguing with people in this thread. What do you gain by arguing how other people are wrong for finding a game enjoyable at a lower framerate then you do?
This doesn't really matter if cpu bandwidth is the limiting factor here, considering it's extremely doubtful id originally left much on the floor in the og console version of the game to play around with in the first place given how notoriously shit those cpus are, and if that's the case then 60 fps was never going to happen on the switch unless they made a new game based around switch limitations and called it Doom.
Rellik
Member
They've already been reduced to lower than low settings!
Nostremitus
Member
That's not true, framerates have a definite effect on simulation sickness. That's why VR headset need to have high refresh rates. That's why more people get sick watching low framerates vs high. Stop making things up about an issue you obviously don't understand.
There are people who effectively see each individual frame in fast succession instead of seeing it as fluid motion. Their eyes get strained and they get headaches with lower fps. These are the people who talk about 30 being like a slideshow. They aren't all just being dramatic. It can be disorienting, cause eye fatigue and simulation sickness.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I really expected 60fps, but at 30fps I'm going to pass. It's not going to feel like Doom.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
The CPU is probably the bottleneck where turning everything else down still didn't get them close to a stable 60fps. Switch is what it is so 30fps with decent visuals is a great compromise for what is essentially a handheld version of the game imo.
I never said once that other people are wrong, how the fuck do you read that in my post ? I said the exact opposite, it's good if people like the port as it is. I personally think it's a bad version of the game, and explained why, against DF's arguments.
Unless you're being ridiculously sarcastic, you're an idiot.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Especially since it's Panic Button doing the port, not id Software themselves. Yeah, they might have gotten design documents and source files to work with, but fundamentally, these are people who likely had to figure how the game works before they could start rebuilding it for a far lower spec machine. Given the potentially custom textures and settings involved, it's not like they just went for a simple solution either.
Edit:
Übermatik;249535419 said:
Eh, it's standard rhetoric for how a game should theoretically run well on rather low end hardware - devs like Lab Zero will use it themselves. True, you probably could build a PC priced similar to the Switch that would have much greater performance than the Switch, but the form factor is, well, a major factor here.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
The CPU is probably the bottleneck where turning everything else down still didn't get them close to a stable 60fps. Switch is what it is so 30fps with decent visuals is a great compromise imo for what is essentially a handheld version of the game.
OmegaDL50
Member
There are PC's weaker than the Switch that can run the game at 60FPS.
Hell the equivalent Nvidia Shield tablet powered by the same Tegra X1 manages to run Crysis 3 natively, just to put things into perspective that the Tegra X1 is fairly capable for a SoC.
You on bath salts? The whole point of the video is that DF built that toaster and it didn't.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
The video has been taken down?
Übermatik;249535419 said:
oh my god
Okay, I'll clarify : a toaster can't run DOOM at 60fps. Because a toaster can't run video games. It makes toasts. That's why we call it a toaster. It was a figure of speech to talk about the optimization of idTech but for some reason people can't read it that way.
I wonder if they know folks are gonna be up in arms about the framerate and the look of the game, so they're keeping video to a minimum.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
*Ignoring the fact that the people that have actually played it said it still feels good to play.
Those PC's have stronger CPU, though. And there's no nvidia shield tablet. There's the pixel c that downclocks the gpu to 200mhz under stress.
People are calling you out because a low spec PC clocked at Switch levels can't run the game at 60fps
Crysis 3 was built to run on the PS3 and 360.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I bet the PS3 could make toasts.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Just watched a video of Doom in 30fps... am I missing something? Do I need to play it to understand why it's apparently so awful?
I feel like I'm truly missing some sort of baffling decision.
I feel like I'm truly missing some sort of baffling decision.
mavericktopgun
Member
Why? It isn't ID's fault or Nintendos fault or Nvidias fault. You can't put more power in such a small device.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I think it was more a situation of 'Look we have it running in handheld mode and it's pretty good.'
I said that a low spec PC could run DOOM at 60FPS, meaning that they should have made any sacrifices for it to run at 60FPS. They prioritized the visuals instead of the game feel, against their own philosophy.
cireza
Member
They without a doubt did a great job with the port, but as far as I am concerned, I won't play a game like Doom at 30 fps.
I already have the game on Xbox One and love it, and would have double dipped if the framerate was there.
This port probably helps in understanding what we can realistically hope for with Switch, and what we should give up on.
I already have the game on Xbox One and love it, and would have double dipped if the framerate was there.
This port probably helps in understanding what we can realistically hope for with Switch, and what we should give up on.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Doom: The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance
Switch owners outside of the Elitists on the Internet wont give two hoots. This game will perform and sell well for Bethsoft.
That was the point of the video, it did not run better even on a PC better than the switch.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Those "folks" make up a minor portion of the user base, so I don't think so.
They've applied similar embargos to Skyrim, and that looks great.
coughlanio
Member
No there isn't. The whole point of the Digital Foundry video is that they build a PC of equivalent power to the Switch, and it struggles to maintain 30FPS at 540p with DOF turned off.
So PCs faster than the Switch run it at 60fps, and those that aren't or are on par- don't. Well shucks.
sixteen-bit
Member
Sad to hear that.
sleepnaught
Member
People expecting 60 fps were fooling themselves. This thing is a 6 inch tablet I can fit in my pocket. Regardless of how Nintendo chooses to market it, this thing is a portable first and foremost when you consider the power on tap. Anyone expecting 60 fps AAA titles need to check that at the door because it aint happening. Expect 30 fps ports and sub hd resolutions. That's the tradeoff if you want to play these titles in portable mode. I always expected that going in day 1 and am willing to sacrifice visuals and performance for that, if you're not, then stick to Nintendo first parties or find a new console to play on.
Tegra X1 in Switch however isn't exactly like Tegra X1 found in Shield Tablets. It's downclocked and the CPU core setup isn't the same if I recall?
mavericktopgun
Member
I watched a video of Doom with 30fps. Looks totally fine.
So Digital Foundry, whose analysis is revered on this forum, makes a report of the Doom port for Switch, provides technical details, and emphasizes repeatedly how good of a port it is.... and a whole bunch of Gaf pros respond with exclamations of how terrible it's going to be and automatically dismiss it? Why not dismiss DF's analyses when the results are above expectation, too, then?
Dictator93
Member
I do not think that is what is happening, at all. They prioritised the game existing, in a 1:1 form (the game, you know, the logic, the AI, the simulation), which made the game run at 30fps.
They would have to make a decidedly different game probably to have it run at 60fps on the switch CPU.
TannerDemoz
Member
This absolutely.
DF who has played the game "good port"
GAF who hasn't played the game "terrible port"
JonnyDBrit
Member
Relative standards for many here. For those who feel that 60 FPS is essential in the DOOM experience, it is a problem. For those looking at it in terms of performance relative to the tech (and actually acknowledging why DF built a nominally, similarly specced PC), it may seem more impressive.
MisterR
Member
You do realize that the Switch isn't nearly as powerful as even a regular Xbox One is, don't you?