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DmC Devil May Cry Ships 1 Million Copies; Forecast Lowered To 1.2 Million
- Thread starter BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Then link me. As of now, your just repeating that it's "more 'realistic', more grounded, less cheesy and less cartoony" without actually explaining how.
No, your shitting up the thread because your shitting up the thread. (see how annoying simply repeating terms at a person can be?) And unlike you, from what I've seen, people have explained precisely in what way your shitting up the thread (stating your opinions as facts, using ad hominen, etc)
Learn from their example.
PeterVenkman
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keltickennedy
Member
Does anyone know how well the HD collection sold last year?
Glass Rebel
Member
Of course it would have sold less, we're talking about Capcom, they're full of awful decision this gen.
But that wasn't really my point.
I'd be curious to know this as well. There's certainly been a resurgence in HD Collection sales in the past month or so as well.
call_kotaku
Member
When arguments essentially boil down to "you're too much of a fanboy to accept my opinion", it's pretty thread-shitting.
Also, cherry-picking extreme moments from the previous games (dark soul with liiiiiight, surfing rockets, kyriiiiieeeeeeeee, etc.) is the same thing as cherry picking cringeworthy moments from the new game. It doesn't really do wonders for arguments about "subtlety".
Also, cherry-picking extreme moments from the previous games (dark soul with liiiiiight, surfing rockets, kyriiiiieeeeeeeee, etc.) is the same thing as cherry picking cringeworthy moments from the new game. It doesn't really do wonders for arguments about "subtlety".
Heart Attack
Member
I called this shit back in the sales prediction thread. Sure, it has to do with the end of the console cycle, but mostly because they pissed off their loyal fanbase by rebooting it. This will happen to Resident Evil as well if they reboot it.
What wild claims did I make?
That DmC was factually a more serious-toned take on the DMC premise? I dont see what is so wild about that since its up for debate is if it was better for it or not. Clearly for many it wasnt and as always, they have the right to prefer whatever they want.
Seems like the terms adult, subtle and realistic translate into "good" or "better" to some people, and that I'm factually putting DmC over DMC by saying these things. It doesnt, and for the last time I'm not.
I even said it in this very thread that I liked NMH. That game is even more intentionally stupid and over the top than DMC.
I'm getting ALL CAPS replies now
I'm saying that's what he thinks of your comments. Whether they're wild or not is besides the point - the point is it's important to elaborate on your beliefs if you're going to call others 'rabid' or whatever it is that got people's bristles up.
I don't want to get involved in this debate, I have only played the demos and about an hour of this final game at a work associate's house, and so I can't go into detail about what I feel about the story concepts other than DMC has always had a shit story and Ninja Theory has never written something that hasn't been complete garbage in their life; I highly doubt they started now (and what I experienced bore this out). I play the DMC series for its gameplay, that's all I care about.
But I voted with my wallet - refuse to get this in any form other than some insane Steam Sale or some greatly reduced bargain bin/second hand price - and it seems the public did too, so I'm sufficiently satisfied.
PeterVenkman
Member
you said this (you even quoted yourself, how are you missing this):
"For better or for worse this is factually a more realistic, subtle and "adult" version of the DmC universe, regardless of how many cock jokes they put in it."
FACTUALLY. maybe the CAPS will help you UNDERSTAND how ARROGANT you are BEING.
You're allowed to have all those opinions, but you're treating everyone who disagrees with you as rabid, when in reality they're just disagreeing.
Am I being too Subtle for you?
Yup. Still dont see how you can argue against the very clear nature of how both games are presented.
And here is another thing I consider a fact, Devil May Cry 1-3 are less over the top, less cartoony and more serious-toned than No More Heores. Am I getting shit for this one too?
And please calm down.
The way I see it, it was more like he was faking that douche persona to hide his insecurities, you can see that on mission 1, when just after the "I don't know my mother but if you're calling me a son of a bitch you wouldn't be the first!" he shows a rather sad expression before the monologue where he states he doesn't remember much about his family, he uses that persona to protect himself, not to be seen as vulnerable.
What felt forced to me was his relationship with Vergil, they barely talk outside of mission debriefings, but I guess if they showed more about Dante's memories with Vergil when he regained them it would make more sense.
I still think the story is pretty bad, but I really dig Donte.
PeterVenkman
Member
It's a message board. It's filled with opinions. You touting your own as facts are arrogant, and shitting on fans is too. Are you really that blown away that multiple people disagree with you?
Quit playing the victim - if you can't take the heat of other people's opinions then don't post. Aint nobody mad but you.
Uncle Dante is more serious than Demon Porn.
mom he's cherry picking! his opinion is different than mine he's mad!
spindashing
Banned
DMC1 and DMC3 had subtleties to them. A lot of lore in DMC1 was communicated through files in the game or the various texts that comes up when you examine it. DMC3 had subtleties to its themes most importantly the relationship between Dante and Vergil. Dante or Vergil never openly express love for each other like they do in DmC. It's through more subtle things like when Vergil lets Dante keep his half to the amulet and doesn't let Dante save him. Or when Dante sheds a single tear over losing his brother. Not to mention the DMC3 manga which fleshes out the story of DMC3 and is way more adult and subtle than anything in DmC.
I really don't see any subtlety in any themes in DmC. The entire backstory and lore of the universe is explained through cutscenes or murals created on the walls. Characters openly say what they are thinking or feeling.
I really don't see any subtlety in any themes in DmC. The entire backstory and lore of the universe is explained through cutscenes or murals created on the walls. Characters openly say what they are thinking or feeling.
PeterVenkman
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Emphasis on the DMC3 parts. I loved how it handled story. Not too intrusive, just right for an action game.
Well, since it seems that you have ignored my request for a deeper explanation of what you mean, let me give gaf my take on it.
DMC1 was a game whose protagonist was a vengeance driven man in a world of demons and wanted to kill the one who killed his mother. It had a dark, gothic aesthetic, offset by the oneliners and moderate humor that Dante used while fighting the demons. It came off as dark and gritty fantasy, with a touch of horror. It didn't have much in the way of gore, but it did have some usually violent scenes like Dante stabbed by a sword that he then helps run through himself or burned by guantlets that attach themselves to him. Still, I recall no examples of mutilated body parts or such.
DMC3 was much the same, though it put much more emphasis on the humor and less on the Gothic aesthetic, and did away with horror entirely. It felt like it was more straightforward fantasy, but it was more character driven as well, as the main thrust of the plot was the protagonist's character development and dynamic with both Lady and Vergil, who are at different times allies and antagonists. It was arguably less disturbing in it's violence, but still had scenes like dante being stabbed 8 times with scythes. Humor was also much more physical, with dante doing outrageously awesomely impossible stunts for entertainment, but it did have it's moments of solemnity. At times, it even mixed the two.
DmC is about a teenager who is rebelling against the enslavement of humanity as a whole as well as being revenge driven. The aesthetic is punk oriented. It's not necessarily dark, though it deals with whats considered darker subject matter at times. There is more gore here than in other games, I felt, concerning the deaths of the monsters (Poison's face being disfigured before totally destoried by the fanblades that cut her apart), but not as much for human characters. There is a large emphasis on character interaction, where DMC Dante often operated alone and talks were brief. And such violence can be taken as over the top, cartoonish, and humorous as well. THere isn't nearly as much physical humor here in comparison to DMC3 and is more like DMC1 in this regard, mostly focusing on oneliners, which usually use more cuss words.
I am trying to see at what angle that DmC is more adult, and the only possible one I can consider is some of the subject matter (child murder and implied rape) where I don't think either DMC3 or DMC1 did as far as I know. Still, DMC1/3 had regular murder in front of a child, torturous brainwashing, human sacrifice and the like. And both games are also over the top in many ways as well, which I'm sure I don't have to name.
To put this argument to rest, I think we can safely say that DmC is no more or less mature than DMC was. Different, sure, but no more adult or subtle or 'genuine', whatever you want to call it. In this regard, DmC is a true successor to the franchise. Either way, it's time to start ignoring MYE, as he has nothing to offer us.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
What does Capcom expect? Unsurprisingly, there wasn't no advertising for this game at all. I know that doesn't guarantee sales, but at least gamers would of knew it as available. Add in the fact that it seems like hack and slashers aren't as popular now. Also, I am sure the backlash with the outsourcing and new Dante had something to do with it. Hardcore fans speaking with their wallet I suppose.
Where are all you people from where there was no advertising for this game at all?
There were a shit-ton of magazine ads, splash pages, and a Youtube commercials for this game. I saw an advertisement on nearly every website I visited.
I want that manga, where can I read it?
If anything DmC is a retread of some of the themes in DMC1 and DMC3 just done worse. There's the Vergil/Dante interaction, Dante/Kat similar to Dante/Lady and the revenge against Mundus plot for killing their mother. None of these themes was really at the core of the game and they tried to juggle all these themes while saturating them under social commentary and satire.
This is a good way to describe it. As I said in before, I think the Dante/Kat interactions are what NT tried to push most in the game, but they're so....pointless. It's just dante having a crush on this cute girl. So what? I don't mind that they are trying to emphasize the romance more, but it has to drive something, like Dante's character development. It doesn't do anything, it's just there because NT like their teenage love stories.
That manga was so good. Why did it have to die?
That manga was so good. Why did it have to die?
Artist was an asshole and quit.
There are some pretty good ones, I agree.
"I think you're all mixed up!"
"I like it rough"
"You don't look a day over 12 thousand"
"Ain't that the best kind, Bob?"
"You're an asshole!" (this one was so good because it was really unexpected to me)
call_kotaku
Member
The social commentary felt completely out of place in this game, I honestly think it would've been better without it. It's better to do not do it at all if it's done poorly, ineffectively, or half-heartedly, and that's not even considering how it makes light of real-world issues.
Meh. The only one I liked was "This really is Hell" in the elevator.
Glass Rebel
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Yup, the delivery was spot-on.
But I never said I was talking about the story. Its the tone. It's the way in which its presented. The way the polygonal characters act out the more serious and more stupid moments. The combination of how music, cinematography, voice acting and plot moves the whole thing along.
Maybe its a "product of its time" kind of thing, and unfair to compare toe to toe, but I do see a clear distinction between DmC and DMC 1-3, and quite diferent intentions (that I already explained) from both developers on what flavor they wanted to give these games.
And the reason I said cherry picking scenes doesnt work (and this does work both ways I agree) is that a thin slice of a whole thing wont give anyone an idea of what the overall tone is. I could start searching and linking Youtube videos of music, small moments or big ones, to try and make my point clearer, but you played the game too so thats pointless.
And when I said "genuine", that was a personal opinion. And genuine has nothing to do with being mature, subtle, cartoony or whatever.
I dont live for GAF you know. Sometimes replies take a bit more time.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
It was? I didn't see anything besides a little ad on top of a web page I visited. Oh wait, I did see a little ad for it in Wal-Mart in the electronics section. Imo, if you wanted millions of copies sold, you would of had this all over television. I know it costs more, but sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
Man that manga is pretty good, just shows how much more interesting DMC's lore is. DmC does have potential with the Angel side of things though, and they can still dig deeper with Sparda.
I forgot that one, it was cute.
I forgot that one, it was cute.
Hours Left
Member
Should of make it a new IP instead of hijacking another one. Of course fans would be turned off by ditching a popular group of characters in order to replace them with ones that look focus grouped to death.
Classy. Carry on then
Dave1988
Member
Close but no cigar, Seks. Try again :3
Vicetrailia
Banned
Pretty much everything story/plot wise in DMC3 is better than DmC.
And please don't outsource your key franchise to a developer that with a "less than stellar"* record.
*Author's note: I'm being generous.
I agree with that
Spoilers:
DmC2 might have the plot of saving/freeing Sparda. In the Vergil chronicles it was mentioned that there are 4 demon kings and that Mundus/Sparda are two of them. Maybe we can fight alongside papa Sparda one day....
But yea DmC has a bigger lore to extract from and build upon. They just need a bigger budget to do it justice.