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[abadguy]

How to make DMC more subtle:

- Include scene where Mundus is fucking his demon girlfriend from behind

"You've made the whole world your bitch, as am i".

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

How to make DMC more subtle:

- Include scene where Mundus is fucking his demon girlfriend from behind

How to make DMC more adult:

- Just wholesale use a plotline from Futurama, oompa-loompas optional though not discouraged.

So Shakespearean

 

[ShockingAlberto]

How to make DMC more realistic:

- Include pop-culture references to reality TV shows.


That one actually fits but it's terrible.

 

[rvy]

Turns out DMC fans came through. It's surprising as shit. Well, maybe not.

“Devil May Cry 5 is a game that, when started development, this will change a lot in relation to the above,” said Inafune.

“The reason is that, despite the franchise has some very loyal followers, their sales are not particularly high, especially overseas.”

He went on: “For this reason, it is likely that in the fifth chapter will incorporate certain western touch to make it more attractive to American and European players.”

Inafune done goofed. He done goofed so bad he had to leave Capcpom.

 

[dragonfart28]

Could you imagine the bomba level if this was a next gen title? The industry is not in a good position right now.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

DmC would've done a lot better if it were not tied with the DMC license. The franchise was neither dead nor dormant enough to warrant a reboot. Having the reboot tote the DMC name means it will be compared to the previous entries as the perception is that the old series will be replaced by the new series and the fear of it being not up to snuff, which is what's happening here.

Especially after seeing the direction they were going with the story and changing Dante's background, I'm not really sure why they didn't just built a new franchise around it. I think it's perfectly viable as a brand new story without the existing ties.

 

[MYE]

I didnt say being more "realistic" or "adult" was factually a better thing?
But yes, DmC was more "adult" and you can see it from fucking space. Again, for better or for worse. Some like it, some dont.

How to make DMC more subtle:

- Include scene where Mundus is fucking his demon girlfriend from behind

How to make DMC more adult:

- Just wholesale use a plotline from Futurama, oompa-loompas optional though not discouraged.

I expect better from you

 

[K.Sabot]

God the writing was so fucking terrible.

-"It just seemed to drag on forever... Church."

What the fuck kind of joke is that? They wrote the punchline backwards.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I expect better from you

I expect better from Devil May Cry.

We both ended up disappointed!

 

[Lijik]

God the writing was so fucking terrible.

-"It just seemed to drag on forever... Church."

What the fuck kind of joke is that? They wrote the punchline backwards.

I really liked the bad one liners in this game, but to be fair the hokey as shit one liners were the only reason I ever put up with the cutscenes in a DMC game.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

I mean, DMC4 was a near-launch game that looked super pretty but killed a lot of good-will for the series. This shouldn't be surprising.

 

[PeterVenkman]

I expect better from Devil May Cry.

We both ended up disappointed!

Preach son, preach!

Turns out DMC fans came through. It's surprising as shit. Well, maybe not.

“Devil May Cry 5 is a game that, when started development, this will change a lot in relation to the above,” said Inafune.

“The reason is that, despite the franchise has some very loyal followers, their sales are not particularly high, especially overseas.”

He went on: “For this reason, it is likely that in the fifth chapter will incorporate certain western touch to make it more attractive to American and European players.”
Inafune done goofed. He done goofed so bad he had to leave Capcpom.

god that is so terrifyingly off base - Inafue's opinion, that is.

 

[MYE]

I expect better from Devil May Cry.

We both ended up disappointed!

Indeed

 

[rvy]

I mean, DMC4 was a near-launch game that looked super pretty but killed a lot of good-will for the series. This shouldn't be surprising.

Indeed. DMC 4 killed DMC. Not even the mighty DmC can save this doomed franchise.

 

[Brazil]

There was no way this game could succeed after being this industry's main target for internet haters for years.

 

[PeterVenkman]

I didnt say being more "realistic" or "adult" was factually a better thing?
But yes, DmC was more "adult" and you can see it from fucking space. Again, for better or for worse. Some like it, some dont.





I expect better from you

You said it was factually more subtle, among other things.

 

[Duxxy3]

I mean, DMC4 was a near-launch game that looked super pretty but killed a lot of good-will for the series. This shouldn't be surprising.

It did?

 

[rvy]

There was no way this game could succeed after being this industry's main target for internet haters for years.

You should go tell all your friends how great of a game it is, maybe word of mouth will help.

It did?

Just like DMC 2, but like, even more damage.

 

[MYE]

You said it was factually more subtle, among other things.

You are arguing that it isnt?

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Indeed. DMC 4 killed DMC. Not even the mighty DmC can save this doomed franchise.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, here. I've always thought DMC4 was a fairly inaccessible game. I don't think (again, this is * anecdotal*) that there were many people who just pick up the odd game who started playing DMC4 and felt they even needed to see it through to the end, never mind pick up another one. The people like us who'd buy it anyway clearly did. We're just not... the other four million.

 

[PeterVenkman]

You are arguing that it isnt?

yeah, obviously. They're both super over the top. In my opinion DMC has had plenty more subtleties than Mundus riding Lilith,or Demon Orphanages. You blathering on with "facts" is nauseating. It's your opinion that DmC is all that, it isn't some truth announced by god.

Factually subtle demon sex aint a thing man. Nor is writing "FUCK YOU DANTE" on the walls.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Just like DMC 2, but like, even more damage.

DMC2 put the franchise back ~700k units so the better DMC4 did even more damage.

It makes sense because white hair.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, here. I've always thought DMC4 was a fairly inaccessible game.

You won't get more accessible than Nero in an action game.

 

[rvy]

I'm not trying to be an asshole, here. I've always thought DMC4 was a fairly inaccessible game.

And then Kobayashi said:

"Let there be a new white-haired pretty boy that is very accessible as a main character.
Just make Dante op as fuck so people can finish the game without learning how to play with him too."

 

[MYE]

yeah, obviously. They're both super over the top. In my opinion DMC has had plenty more subtleties than Mundus riding Lilith,or Demon Orphanages. You blathering on with facts is nauseating. It's your opinion that DmC is all that, it isn't some truth announced by god.

Factually subtle demon sex aint a thing man.

Dont cherry pick moments to describe the general tone of something.
Fucking, gore and cock jokes have been used in both serious and less serious bodies of work.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

You won't get more accessible than Nero in an action game.

I'm not talking about combat mechanics, I'm talking about general appeal. Nothing about the way that game presented itself outside of a trailer really lent itself to a gigantic fan-base.

I mean, have there been any other obvious examples of character-action games selling millions that I'm missing, here? It seems like DMC4 was the last one.

I wouldn't consider God of War or Dante's Inferno in the same genre, but if you'd like to debate that, go ahead.

 

[PeterVenkman]

Dont cherry pick moments to describe the general tone of something.
Fucking, gore and cock jokes have been used in both serious and less serious bodies of work.

So i'm not allowed to pick scenes that aren't subtle to talk about my opinion about DmC being not subtle? Yeah, okay man. You've lost it (if you ever had it).

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think the damage was done for this game near the games unveiling. It wasn't about Dante's look, it was about the things that NT and Capcom were saying about the series and the fans.

I instead assumed the snarky journalist persona, and without thinking asked, “So, how do you feel about the fan reaction to DMC?”

Tameen looked at me a moment and took a drag of his cigarette. Then without blinking, and without pausing to exhale the smoke from his mouth he said, “I don't care.”

 

[Amir0x]

Such a shame. Now the motivation for making this and degrading the greatest action combat system of all time is zero. And the series is now on worse footing than it's been in a long time.

Good job Capcom.

I just hope Ninja Theory never gets another opportunity to damage a great franchise again. Let them shit up their own original games. At least there the people who actually like Ninja Theory crap can be corralled into a single group away from established gaming communities based on quality.

 

[Duxxy3]

Oh wow - this fan base is just rabid.

 

[Zzoram]

Having a story and dialogue that isn't awful and embarrassing would've helped the game sell better IMO.

 

[Shallwhat]

I don't care what some of you guys say, this game was freaking awesome. Don't plan on selling it or trading it ever.

 

[demidar]

And then Kobayashi said:

"Let there be a new white-haired pretty boy that is very accessible as a main character.
Just make Dante op as fuck so people can finish the game without learning how to play with him too."

Dante's a lot harder to play since he has no way to pull enemies to him, and his early gap closer (Stinger) shoves enemies away leading to a lot of running towards the enemy. It only gets better when you get some Trickster levels and Gilgamesh so you can blink/skystar/killer bee to close distance. Also he doesn't get easy damage on bosses in a dazed state since he doesn't have the Buster and air attacks are crappy unless the player is proficient enough to use Trickster in conjunction with Air Rave and that Dark Slayer air attack.

 

[PeterVenkman]

Having a story and dialogue that isn't awful and embarrassing would've helped the game sell better IMO.

I can unpack the subtleties of it if you missed out on them - maybe that's why you thought the dialogue was awful?

I just hope Ninja Theory never gets another opportunity to damage a great franchise again. Let them shit up their own original games. At least there the people who actually like Ninja Theory crap can be corralled into a single group away from established gaming communities based on quality.

It would have avoided this entire situation, if DmC wasn't DMC.

 

[Dahbomb]

I'm not trying to be an asshole, here. I've always thought DMC4 was a fairly inaccessible game. I don't think (again, this is * anecdotal*) that there were many people who just pick up the odd game who started playing DMC4 and felt they even needed to see it through to the end, never mind pick up another one. The people like us who'd buy it anyy clearly did. We're just not... the other four million.

Nero's portion was designed to be accessible as hell. By the time you get to Dante you have a good grip on the game's fundamentals to beat his section.

A lot of myths have been made around DMC. DMC has never been this inaccessible game. It got a bad rep of this when DMC3 NA version came out and journalists gave up on the 2nd or 3rd missions of the game. The Souls game are way more inaccessible than any DMC game.

 

[Veelk]

Dont cherry pick moments to describe the general tone of something.
Fucking, gore and cock jokes have been used in both serious and less serious bodies of work.

I want you to explain how DmC is more adult/realistic/whatever the fuck your getting at.

 

[call_kotaku]

DMC1 and 3 were very good about doing character development through gameplay and subtext. Its quality and effectiveness is debatable, and DMC4 was pretty messy all-around, but I don't see how "explain it in a cutscene" is actually a subtle approach. Again, I imagine NT was forced to rehash the plot elements from 1 and 3, and if this was a fresh IP they'd have something more interesting on offer. The story contributes about as much to the overall game experience as it did in the previous games, and probably decreased my overall enjoyment of this game because nothing remotely interesting ever happened in a cutscene.

Also, if you enjoyed DmC way more than DMC, I still don't see how that's an argument that one should have replaced the other. That argument would only be valid if you thought DMC was so bad that it shouldn't have continued, because I don't see how their strategy made anyone more invested in the franchise or its characters, since they ditched the lore and half the mechanics.

 

[rvy]

Dante's a lot harder to play since he has no way to pull enemies to him, and his early gap closer (Stinger) shoves enemies away leading to a lot of running towards the enemy. It only gets better when you get some Trickster levels and Gilgamesh so you can blink/skystar/killer bee to close distance. Also he doesn't get easy damage on bosses in a dazed state since he doesn't have the Buster and air attacks are crappy unless the player is proficient enough to use Trickster in conjunction with Air Rave and that Dark Slayer air attack.

He's still op as fuck. Hell, I know people who finished the game by spamming stinger.

 

[Coxy]

"You've made the whole world your bitch, as am i".

please tell me that isnt an actual quote from the game

 

[Lijik]

Having a story and dialogue that isn't awful and embarrassing would've helped the game sell better IMO.

Didnt stop DMC4 from being the best selling one

 

[Amir0x]

It would have avoided this entire situation, if DmC wasn't DMC.

Yup. There are people who actually could stomach the gargantuan disasters that were Enslaved and Heavenly Sword. And, hey, that's neat - at least they were their own IPs and they never had any foundation but shit gameplay to begin with.

But then you take Devil May Cry, the king of all action game series with the greatest action game combat of all time and give it to Ninja Theory... they of Heavenly Sword fame? And, well, the result is what it is: a drastically inferior combat system, a garbage destroyed style system and their talent as "storymakers" was pointless since the game continues to fine tradition of being irreverent crap.

They should have just made it an original IP.

 

[Dahbomb]

DmC is about as subtle as a flying brick to the face.

The most subtle aspects about it are in the game play... not in the story, cutscenes or characters.

 

[PeterVenkman]

please tell me that isnt an actual quote from the game

got some bad news for you

Yup. There are people who actually could stomach the gargantuan disasters that were Enslaved and Heavenly Sword. And, hey, that's neat - at least they were their own IPs and they never had any foundation but shit gameplay to begin with.

But then you take Devil May Cry, the king of all action game series with the greatest action game combat of all time and give it to Ninja Theory... they of Heavenly Sword fame? And, well, the result is what it is: a drastically inferior combat system, a garbage destroyed style system and their talent as "storymakers" was pointless since the game continues to fine tradition of being irreverent crap.

They should have just made it an original IP.

Thank god for the air quotes. NT is not as great at storytelling as they think. Why this franchise was passed to them is beyond me, guess i'm not smart enough to catch the connection

 

[kayos90]

Whenever I hear of DMC5 and how fans want DmC to fail I think of this that my friend made. lol.

The time has come and so have we
We laugh last cause DMC came to die
The damage done, the pain subsides,
And we can see the fear clear when we look in your eye

We never buy and we never rent.
You can tear the heart from our chest
We'll make you see what we do best,
We'll succeed as DmC breathes its very last breath
Now we know how the series fell
We know the tale and we know it too well,
We'll make you wish you made DMC5,
When we drag Itsuno back and send NT to hell

Our love comes from deep within
Beneath my soul - beneath my skin
As DmC is ending we're about to begin,
Our strength is pain and we will never give in
We'll tell you now we're the one to survive,
You'll never break our faith from our stride
I'll have you choke on your own demise,
We'll make NT scream


They will see, we'll fight until eternity,
Come with me, we'll stand and, fight together.
Through our strength, we'll make a, better day, tomorrow,
We, shall never surrender

 

[Lijik]

Struggling to think of something subtle in DmC's narrative and I actually liked the game.
I can name countless examples of the opposite but im sure MYE would say Im cherrypicking.

 

[MYE]

Its not a subtle game and I didnt say it was "subtle", I said it was more subtle. More restrained in the cheese factor.
If people stopped foaming from their mouths in anger for a second, you could see what I actually wrote.

Oh wow - this fan base is just rabid.

Its seriously painfull to have any kind of conversation in a DmC related thread. The outcome is always the same.
Its my fault though. I keep comming back...but I think I'm done now.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Nero's portion was designed to be accessible as hell. By the time you get to Dante you have a good grip on the game's fundamentals to beat his section.

A lot of myths have been made around DMC. DMC has never been this inaccessible game. It got a bad rep of this when DMC3 NA version came out and journalists gave up on the 2nd or 3rd missions of the game. The Souls game are way more inaccessible than any DMC game.

By accessible, I don't necessarily mean easy to succeed. If I recall correctly, DMC4 even had an auto-combo system that made it super-easy to get into.

I was referring to something a bit vaguer. I always felt the game was... unwelcoming. It's hard to articulate. It was more of a tonal problem. It felt like you already needed to be part of the club to have any idea what was going on or why. It was hard to muster any motivation to play on. I'm too far removed from it to be more specific. I did buy it on Steam recently, so I'm actually looking forward to going back and revisiting it.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I\ll be glad when we get the NPDs this month so we can finally get some solid numbers.

 

[Earthpainting]

It's hard for me to feel bad about any of this. I was part of the Devil May Cry target audience and I haven't paid attention to this game since its reveal. It was their job to appeal to me and they were unable to.

 

[Dahbomb]

Struggling to think of something subtle in DmC's narrative and I actually liked the game.
I can name countless examples of the opposite but im sure MYE would say Im cherrypicking.

I like the game too but subtle it is not and neither is it an adult oriented game.

The Slurm queen plot rip off.
The "They Live" subliminal messages on walls (not even subliminal I mean they are as clear as day).
The "UK's Got Talent" spoof.
Squirrel semen.
My dick is bigger than yours.
Writing "Fuck You" on that clip board.
I LOVED YOU
The world is at last your bitch, as am I
Vergil sniper showdown
Raptor News = Fox News
In your face Dante + 2 demon bitches having a threesome... as the game's opening
Vergil telling Dante's entire story through murals and graffiti magically painted on the walls


There are more examples but it gets into spoiler territory.

 

[call_kotaku]

Its seriously painfull to have any kind of conversation in a DmC related thread. The outcome is always the same.
Its my fault though. I keep comming back...but I think I'm done now.

Immediately resorting to ad hominems sort of sours the tone of the conversation, yeah.