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DmC Devil May Cry Ships 1 Million Copies; Forecast Lowered To 1.2 Million
- Thread starter BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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This, the bulk of game sales are in the first few weeks. Very few companies release games that have long legs, about the only one I can think off the top of my head is Nintendo.
And that's where the disconnect comes. There are a group of hardcore fans that replay the game like 5 times and just care about the combat. There are other fans who just want a good game that's fun for a while. Trying to appease both is what's tough. Trying to simply appease the hardcore, though, will kill the franchise.
Not all the time. Sometimes certain games sell over a long period of time. Most games will sell 80% of lifetime sales in the first week though yes.
It's 2 mil the first month. I thought it was lower. lol. If DmC doesn't sell at least 3/4 of that, which it doesn't seem like it will, I'll consider this reboot a potential financial failure.
Very true. Capcom PR buried the old Devil May Cry while failing to sell the new one all at that same time. The last 2 years have been a total disaster for this franchise.
Yeah, truthfully. DmC felt like it could have done so well as an early next gen title. Why Capcom chose now to release it, I don't know. This game felt like it would have done great if it were sold March-June 2014 or 15.
I do think people need to keep in mind that DMC4 was an anomaly in the grand scheme of this series's sales - the trend in the series was not constantly upwards, as some people have implied (it was actually a downward trend - DMC3 sold less than DMC2 sold less than DMC1).
Take that, strawman!
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Fair enough
I think it's this kind of reaction that turned NMH into the first success story for Suda's studio
Although I still don't think he intended him to be interpreted as an actually likable character.
Yeah especially when his backstory is revealed a bit in the number 1 rank boss fight.
He's a pretty pathetic loser really. At least in the first game.
call_kotaku
Member
Well, trying to expand a franchise by trying to eliminate everything people were invested in, then trying to sell a new game by repeatedly lambasting the old ones, and then have the media repeatedly misrepresent and dismiss criticism kinda makes for a bad combination. Metacritic score bombing and youtube comments are pretty much expected.
The problem is that Capcom threw the DMC fanbase under the bus for no appreciable gain. If I didn't assume incompetence before malice I'd think Capcom did it out of spite.
Glass Rebel
Member
Capcom doesn't expect it to sell more than DMC3, making it the worst-selling entry. Unless somehow everybody realizes that they actually want DmC it already is a failure.
I don't think the marketing was fine. It was competent, but they didn't manage to interest people who are not already into combat focused action games (not a big audience) and they didn't manage to ignite the interest of the (many) people who are intimidated by the brand. For most videogamers - hardcore included - DMC is that crazy esoteric series where you have to memorize one million combos while you die every three seconds.
Ninja Theory did a fantastic job by making the whole genre more accessible while maintaing most of the depth of its systems. The joy of fans of the previous episodes for the low sales shows how narrow minded and petty videogamers can be.
So what you're saying is, you'd rather have no new Devil May Cry instead of DmC? Interesting.
hum, yes I know. He is a likable dipshit done right.
I'd hate him if they tried to make a genuine "cool" cartoon hero.
I know.
The DMC3 numbers don't count the Special Edition sales. I don't think that anyone's implying that the series' sales were constantly trending upwards. DMC2 ruined the out-of-the-gate sales for DMC3.
How would you have done it? I think that they had a lot of positive publicity. A ton, actually. I'm not sure how else they could possibly engage this "casual" fanbase in a stronger way.
Exactly. Donte tries hard to be "cool" and "edgy" and fails in every way. Has none of the charisma that Travis Touchdown had and is far less interesting of a character.
I need to finish it.
Its been a while and I'm 3 or 4 bosses in. He seems the same to me so far but I cant say anything about the rest of the game.
Duxxy3
Member
I thought you hadn't played the game?
Addressing more fanatical fans is fine as long as it doesn't generally marginalize legitimate concerns and criticisms of an entire fanbase.
Genuine action characters are badass. Both Travis and DmC Dante felt genuine, even if the first was a meant to be a total shithead.
When in any of my posts did i suggest i hadn't played it? You assumed i had not played it because i thought Donte's character was an unlikable angsty ass. (which he is.)
My bad, i must not have seen the post , but yeah i've played it.
Not really, especially since everything you mentioned just now can also be found in certain anime. Just sayin...
I thought I asked you previously, but you didn't respond. Just asking, man.
Can Crusher
Banned
Virgil said he has a bigger dick, Dante told him he was better looking.
"I don't know who I am anymore"
stems from the fact that he never knew who he was, and when he found his brother and they both teamed up to beat up those demons, he felt that he had found his place in world. If you can't figure out how that line is reflective of his inner feelings at the moment, and the doubts that suddenly consumed him when Virgil had just revealed himself as something that was so unlike him...
It certainly beats the anime shit that was the bread and butter of past entries.
GayForMaster
Banned
The feel of 2 million shipped copies.
Yes, only some. A much bigger and more vocal group than any developer deserves to put up with, but still only a slice of the fanbase.
I find myself enjoying the game a fair bit. I can immediately tell that it's easier to get into and that the combos aren't going to be particularly crazy this time around, but the combat is still fun and the presentation on PC is really quite nice.
I suppose high res textures and 200 fps go a long way in making a positive impression.
I suppose high res textures and 200 fps go a long way in making a positive impression.
DMC has less moves than Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden. I don't know where people got this notion about a DMC game... DMC never had a lot of moves to begin with and nor was it that difficult. The number of moves in DmC are about par for the course but quality > quantity.
And they went out of their way to say that they lowered the skill cap and bar of entry for the game. I mean it was pretty obvious if you played the demo.
call_kotaku
Member
In any case, I don't see how people being excited about "fans being put in their place" by good review scores is any different than people being excited about the egg on Capcom's face with this game bombing.
And with all the "this is way better than OG DMC and the fans deserve to be dismissed" comments, let me just ask you this: Do you honestly believe this game didn't deserve to be a new IP? Even a sidestory or spinoff? What did Capcom gain from shitting all over the old series, what did fans gain from the reboot, and what did this game gain from having the brand? I'm having a hard time justifying it from any of those perspectives.
And with all the "this is way better than OG DMC and the fans deserve to be dismissed" comments, let me just ask you this: Do you honestly believe this game didn't deserve to be a new IP? Even a sidestory or spinoff? What did Capcom gain from shitting all over the old series, what did fans gain from the reboot, and what did this game gain from having the brand? I'm having a hard time justifying it from any of those perspectives.
I see this being used against the game all the time... why?
For better or for worse this is factually a more realistic, subtle and "adult" version of the DmC universe, regardless of how many cock jokes they put in it.
And its two brothers throwing juvenile jokes at each other. The horror!
And yet its alot better acted and certainly more nuanced and real than cartoon Dante surfing on monsters and dishing out horribly acted one liners with a pizza slice in one hand.
You dont need a "change of heart" character arc in order to make one feel real and give the impression of depth (if nothing else).
I feel like staying indefinitely in the air shouldn't be such a trivial thing to do, and that it's presence is indicative of dumbing down.
I'm not saying the perception is justified. But the thing is that most hardcore gamers think these games are intimidating. I like the fact they are deep and rewarding, but most people just see them as weird and hard to approach.
I like Bayonetta and DMC3 more than the new DMC, but I'm happy NT tried something different and I don't like the low sales cause it's worrying for the future of the entire genre.
Dante's relationship with Vergil in DMC 3 was far better realized than the crap Ninja Theory came up with for DmC.
I lol'd. It was about as "subtle" as a sledgehammer and as "adult" as Twilight. The fact that it tries to take itself serious makes it that much worse, since the stories and characters are laughably bad. DmC is how i would expect a live action adaption of Devil May Cry to turn out if Uwe Boll directed it.
It was better acted because they had better facial animation technology, your right, but this dante is just as juevenile as DMC3 dante was and even your arguing that DmC Dante didn't actually have depth and merely the illusion of depth created by acting rather than actually being a deep character. How is that better than having a cardboard cut out of a character? I don't even know what you mean by 'feeling' more genuine.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Agreed, a lot of people give the series shit for not taking itself seriously and having a crappy story, but the story of Dante and Vergil in DMC3 is actually pretty well written. Dante starts out a a punky little shit yes, and cannnot comprehend why Lady would give a damn about her father.
In the end, when he finally understands what it is to have a family and what it's like to lose your family, that's the kind of character development that justifies the little shit he started out as.
It's a lot more nuanced than I expected from the series and definitely why DMC3 is my favourite (despite the improved combat in DMC4).
PeterVenkman
Member
DmC would've done a lot better if it were not tied with the DMC license. The franchise was neither dead nor dormant enough to warrant a reboot. Having the reboot tote the DMC name means it will be compared to the previous entries as the perception is that the old series will be replaced by the new series and the fear of it being not up to snuff, which is what's happening here.
ShockingAlberto
Member
How to make DMC more subtle:
- Include scene where Mundus is fucking his demon girlfriend from behind
- Include scene where Mundus is fucking his demon girlfriend from behind
Just like Uncle Dana on the Cain train.
ShockingAlberto
Member
How to make DMC more adult:
- Just wholesale use a plotline from Futurama, oompa-loompas optional though not discouraged.
- Just wholesale use a plotline from Futurama, oompa-loompas optional though not discouraged.
MuttersomeTaxicab
Neo Member
Bummer. I actually enjoyed DmC a fair bit.
PeterVenkman
Member
That's factually subtle man, factually more subtle than old DMC!
That's the facts!
Post of the thread.
I think its a really fun game, so this is a bummer for me. Hopefully it doesnt mean the death of the DMC franchise as a whole (lord knows Capcom would be that dumb) I do know people irl/tumblr who arent getting the game because of the new dante design/early pr blunders and dont really care about the mechanics as deeply as gaffers and hardcore dmc fans do. Anyone arguing "yall just want the white hair!" on gaf is definitely going to be laughed out, but i cant help but feel thats the sentiment with the general public.