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DmC Devil May Cry Ships 1 Million Copies; Forecast Lowered To 1.2 Million
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blitzcloud
Banned
You proved them that you purchased the HD collection on DmC launch date?
I don't think you understand what you just did then.
"Oh this DmC game is cool, so i'm gonna buy the anthology too."
Congratulations.
PS: the thing that you proved, whatever side of the fence you're on, is that you bought a product because of DmC.
Why do people keep saying this? I know it didn't do too well in the States, but it seems to have done well on a worldwide scale, and Capcom seems to be moving forward with expansion packs and a sequel.
It didn't sell well relative to costs. The expansion packs are more about recouping lost money, as is the sequel (along with potential for growth). Kind of like how Shenmue II saw the light of day. Up until RE6, DD was their most expensive production ever.
I think they saw DmC as the answer to what was otherwise (from their perspective) the long term death of the franchise. The IP has had an identity crisis since DMC2 hit the stands, and they've never been able to grow an audience with it. Simply put it's a title that has suffered from some degree of schizophrenia and been too specialized to grow.
I can see them sticking with ninja theory for another try, simply because they managed to deliver on a more universal interpretation of the IP, in theory, could help build a broader base for a sequel.
But if sales aren't even even past 1.5 million 3 years from now, maybe why bother? I think a true DMC5 might have sold a third better than DmC, but it doesn't solve their problem.
On the other hand how hard do they need to try and keep an IP relevant anyway? But if Ninja Theory is cheap, and their internal DMC team is working on another Ip that they see growth potential with as well, it's probably for the best to keep things how they are.
I think they saw DmC as the answer to what was otherwise (from their perspective) the long term death of the franchise. The IP has had an identity crisis since DMC2 hit the stands, and they've never been able to grow an audience with it. Simply put it's a title that has suffered from some degree of schizophrenia and been too specialized to grow.
I can see them sticking with ninja theory for another try, simply because they managed to deliver on a more universal interpretation of the IP, in theory, could help build a broader base for a sequel.
But if sales aren't even even past 1.5 million 3 years from now, maybe why bother? I think a true DMC5 might have sold a third better than DmC, but it doesn't solve their problem.
On the other hand how hard do they need to try and keep an IP relevant anyway? But if Ninja Theory is cheap, and their internal DMC team is working on another Ip that they see growth potential with as well, it's probably for the best to keep things how they are.
direct_quote
Member
Point being its one of their best selling IPs left and DMC4 sold 2x better than a new IP and so far is selling leagues better than DmC, so why would they make DmC2 or a new IP.
Jawmuncher
Member
Sometimes I think this to.
I don't know. I thought DMC3 Dante was an annoying teenager too, honestly. I really disliked DmC Dante early on too (especially from the demo), but by the end of the game, he does change. It's why I think, if they continue, then the Dante in DmC2 would be someone that even detractors of the character will end up liking.
I think you need to educate yourself abit more in this subject or even read the rest of the thread before making a post like this. The sales of the past DMC games speaks for themselves.
I am glad that DmC turned out the way it did since that might make Capcom think twice before making a new DMC and might even give us a proper "DMC5" if they are smart.
I don't care how popular it is. I care about the quality of the game. NT can keep making their 2nd tier action games, just keep the team away from DMC.
It's less popular now than it was five years ago. About 50% less popular going by Capcom's projections.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Capcom did too and that was their problem. They threw the baby out with the bathwater and now there's nowhere for the franchise to go.
DMC HD Collection selling significantly better than DmC sure does say something. Pretty sure you're the one that's having a problem understanding what message that sends.
Glass Rebel
Member
We have sales-figures supporting the claim that the franchise was growing in popularity and reached its peak with DMC4. If you guys have anything to add other than what you think, be my guests.
blitzcloud
Banned
It means capcom sells. because DmC exists.
The fact it sells "significantly" better means some activism of course, but in the greater scope it means people are interested in DMC again. For all you know, 50+% of the HD collection sales could be from people who bought DmC.
But no, i'm sure you're sending a well-written message to capcom with this.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Evidently so did capcom seeing as they thought there would no consequences from alienating half the fanbase.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
If the conclusion they draw from all the fanbase outrage(which they acknowledged with the design changes and taking Tameem out of public view) and sales comparisons to previous games is that "gamers don't want more DMC" instead of "poor reception to reimagining of franchise" then the people in charge of analyzing that kind of stuff really are as stupid as neogaf would make them out to be
Thankfully this is the real world and I trust professionals can draw accurate conclusions as obvious as this one
thesolidshark
Member
For some reason, I see a DmC2 Dante ending up on the DMC2 Dante side of things. More silent, maybe some distinct quirkiness, but trying to focus more on a seriousness that is new to Dante in-general.
Combat is a better thing to have control of than pacing/level design, especially for a Devil May Cry, cause there's always Bloody Palace to fall back on. They should always shoot for a well-paced experience, but that's secondary for me.
And I'm a little confused, does Ninja Gaiden Black qualify as a game with great combat, level design, and as a cinematic experience? The first two I agree with you.
Supermanisdead
Member
They wanted 10 million, but settled for 1.5. I think it was also one of the highest selling new IPs in Japan and there's a lot of good word around that game.
We... really don't? I mean it's far murker than that to be sure. It benefited hugely from the buzz around going multiplatform along with being the long awaited HD entry in the series, it was also extremely front loaded, something that the much more well received DMC3 was not. That should tell you about the overall reception. Just because someone bought it doesn't mean they have been converted into a long term customer. Look at the damage that DMC2 did and how DMC3 was received after that.
And evidently Capcom doesn't agree with you since they went with an external developer to try and broaden the franchise.
JaxJax said:
Alas. This IS true.
It's probably because Kamiya's Dante and Itsuno's Dante are two largely different characters.
Though it is great that outside of MvC3, when used to extend the brand it is DMC1 Dante that almost always is the one chosen.
At least there's an upside. If so many fans didn't buy DmC then that many new gamers bought the game. In turn, there are now more people joining the club and it might end up being better in the long run. You never know.
What do you do, though? The DMC team is making DD2. I'm sure if DD didn't exist, we would have gotten DMC5, but what do you do there? Create another internal team and have them go at it? The last time we got a thrown together team to make a DMC game, we got DMC2.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I don't know. It's not my job to know.
The only conclusion I think anyone can draw from these results is "not this"
Nah I disagree.
I think upper management has made unpopular decisions, but I mean every company in a creative industry is guilty of that at some point.
I don't think Capcom has ever failed to learn from their mistakes though, if AE2012 and SFxT2013 are any example.
and their output shows that they still have some really talented creators at the company who can do good work when allowed to do the job
Glass Rebel
Member
DMC4 is the best selling entry in the franchise. They have a playerbase of 2.8m and failed to capitalize on that. This isn't just falling a few units short, they don't think they can even get half of that to buy the next entry.
And of course Capcom doesn't agree with me, otherwise we'd have DMC5 now.
No, that was just a developer (Itsuno) saying he would like to sell 10 million. People took that out of context. The company never expected that.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...t-can-Sell-10-Million-Copies-of-Dragons-Dogma
They want to sell a lot. They don't expect it to. The company never forecast 10 million for the game in its reports. The one I can find says Capcom expected 1.5 million.
And that's really hurt the series, imo. The problem with the series is that you don't know what you're going to get whenever one is made. Characters get changed and deemphasized randomly, story jumps years or goes back years. It's hard for the general public to get invested. It's why I think it's better to go with DmC2 than DMC5 (who would it focus on? Dante? Nero?). The series needs a chance to develop some continuity and rebuild faith with the general public. Like I said, I think longtime fans will like DmC2 Dante a lot more than DmC Dante.
brandonh83
Banned
ok, I watched a bit of a walkthrough of the first area of the game I presume, and it had a really unexpected Silent Hill vibe to it almost... is the rest of the game just as weird/abstract as that?
more specifically it was inside some weird building after going through an amusement park and there were red curtains and creepy shit. I dug it.
more specifically it was inside some weird building after going through an amusement park and there were red curtains and creepy shit. I dug it.
I get what you're saying, but I'd still argue forget DmC, Devil May Cry 4 failed to capitalize on on that 2.8 million playerbase well on its own before DmC ever got to them.
The 5 years later reboot that's hated by the hardcore only had so much to work with. After we include not only its own flaws but the sins of the father.
A lot of people jumped on, or back in, for DMC4 because of external circumstances. I guess a decent amount of those more casual buyers also weren't convinced to come back even with a reboot.
Not surprised to see how this is all playing out. DmC isn't a bad game but it really fails on the levels the reboot was going for, and manages to be an all around worse game in the fundamental combat area which is the main reason the community picks these games up.
Some of the earlier posts in this thread still going on about Donte's hair is hilarious. I've been pretty active in the OT for the game and it's loaded with veterans of the series. The game has certainly been given a legitimate shot by the majority of them.
Mission 1 is one of my favorite looking areas in the game. 13 is the most memorable and trippy, the rest while good are more typical floating debris areas.
Some of the earlier posts in this thread still going on about Donte's hair is hilarious. I've been pretty active in the OT for the game and it's loaded with veterans of the series. The game has certainly been given a legitimate shot by the majority of them.
Mission 1 is one of my favorite looking areas in the game. 13 is the most memorable and trippy, the rest while good are more typical floating debris areas.
KingItachi
Member
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
They do if they think both DmC and the regular series can co-exist. I particularly love the reasoning "Call of Duty can do it. Why not DMC???" in regards to that
I do think it's right under Resident Evil and Street Fighter as one of Capcom's strongest brands though. and I think if they ever do announce a DMC5 it would be a pretty big deal
Not as annoying as the new one. Not even close, and even then he still comes off more as having a good time and not taking things serious than so wannabe tough guy who says fuck a lot. Uncle Dante was a campy fun character who didn't take himself all that seriously. He was essentially Ash from Evil Dead. I'll take that any day over angsty teen.
If you enjoy the new one fair enough, i have no interest in the characters or universe at all and so long as it stays with this direction i won't be buying it. MGR and Bayonetta 2 should be more than enough for me to move onto. Maybe Someday Itagaki will make a return as well....
fvng
Member
yes sir.
You're really pushing this, when it comes to high profile releases we've known what we are going to get. Itsuno's Dante and there should be zero doubt that is what we would get with DMC5. As far as leads go that wouldn't matter because the feel and tone would be carried on from Itsuno's work.
And I won't like DmC 2 Dante anymore because I don't want this character, I don't like or support reboots and it doesn't matter how many times they force this character.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
brandonh83
Banned
I see, so basically don't expect that kind of thing too much.
Still, it looks good. I'm planning on picking it up sometime this month hopefully.
Pureauthor
Member
Hey if anything in DmC matched Agnus Redux then I'd be more willing to give a pass on the story.
But did it really have much growth? DMC1 on the PS2 sold 2.2 mil, and DMC4, 7 years later, sells 2.7 mil. That's not much, especially considering the cost of next gen development in 2008. DMC4 was also front loaded. Now, like I said, I don't think DMC5 would have sold as great either. DmC's sales are more complicated than simply "pissed off the fanbase" I honestly think much of the blame can simply be put on the genre's current popularity.
From my own anecdotal experience, most of the people who I knew that picked up DMC4 thought it was a "good game, but not great". Of course, none of these guys replayed it or got into bloody palace or any of that. They're guys who play a game once, and that's essentially it. They knew DmC was coming, didn't care if the character changed, but didn't pick it up simply because they just don't keep up with genre anymore. It's a shame too, because I've known them for years and they used to love the genre back in elementary and high school (I remember when DMC2 came out, we were all so hyped up for it, lol). Just my own experience, but I think it can be applied generally to the changing gamer habits over the past 5 years.
Dude, I am telling you. That DmC Dante scene in the demo made me really dislike him, but that's very early on in the story. By the end of the game, he does change, and I grew to like him and his growing maturity. It's why I say DmC2 Dante will be much more appealing to the franchise.Not as annoying as the new one. Not even close, and even then he still comes off more as having a good time and not taking things serious than so wannabe tough guy who says fuck a lot. Uncle Dante was a campy fun character who didn't take himself all that seriously. He was essentially Ash from Evil Dead. I'll take that any day over angsty teen.
If you enjoy the new one fair enough, i have no interest in the characters or universe at all and so long as it stays with this direction i won't be buying it. MGR and Bayonetta 2 should be more than enough for me to move onto. Maybe Someday Itagaki will make a return as well....
Give the game a chance, and see if you agree.
Haunted
Member
DMC4 Dante is my favourite incarnation of the character as well.
Nero and DMC3 Dante are much more unlikable than DmC Dante to me. But that could just be me getting older as well. I was 17 when the first DMC came out and I remember thinking how cool and badass Dante was.
A couple years later... not so much. My perspective on the character had changed substantially. >_>
GenoZStriker
Neo Member
This is the reason I believe that at some point there will be a DMC5. There is no way after analyzing DmC' sales that Capcom will simply ignore the outrage and the preference for a another game set in the previous universe and say "well, guess people do not want Devil May Cry anymore" instead of "maybe a reboot was not what they wanted." It wouldn't make sense, especially considering this is the second time are lowering their forecast for a product change they thought would bring in a much larger audience
The Devil May Cry franchise is most likely going on a break but we can certainly expect to see DMC5 in the future. Regardless of DmC2 is released or already in the works.
StevePharma
Member
By growing maturity you mean that late game scene when he tells Vergil that he has a bigger dick right?
Because that is some mighty fine character development.
"I don't know who I am anymore..." Amazing character development for sure.
Not a personal attack on your opinion but I find it hard to see any meaningful character development in this game. Oh yeah baby we destroyed the world LET'S BOUNCE.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Dante does change by the end, but it's such a ridiculously fast change that I was waiting for the "everyone is being mind-controlled" plot twist that never came.
Even if DmC2 Dante is more mature from DmC Dante? And I'm going to disagree with you. Leads do matter, story does matter, and building it up from sequel to sequel does matter. From one game to the next, Dante has been practically a completely different character. There's been no real continuity, which is important to the general public. They want characters with some continuity and semblance of a story.