Monocle
Member
10/10
Star Wars fans are embarrassing. I can't believe how much hate they spewed at George Lucas just because he didn't make the prequels they wanted. Absolutely pathetic.
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DmC Devil May Cry Ships 1 Million Copies; Forecast Lowered To 1.2 Million
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thesolidshark
Member
Looking at the then and now...man.
Too bad about the expectations dropping that much. But whoever said that most of the DmC supporters should really be talking about the positives in the OT instead of just defending it when DMC vets say they don't like it is really on the mark. If Dahbomb is really attributing to 35% of an OT about the game, that could've been indication enough about DmC underperforming.
I also cringed at what NT had originally had in mind for DmC before Capcom made them make changes.
Which is even more telling because Ninja Theory's GOW clone didn't sell worth a damn either.
PeterVenkman
Member
okay buddy. call me when it's one of your favorite franchises and the PR team has been repeatedly bashing wide portions of their original audience.
Paracelsus
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0QI62vRLA
Capcom is being punched by the market back to in-house development.
Capcom is being punched by the market back to in-house development.
Plenty of people were very happy DMC got rebooted because the old games weren't what they wanted.
Can Crusher
Banned
Common sense dictates that the faith bought by a previous entry will positively/negatively affect the results of a sequel.
If DMC4 was loved, and the lasting impression it had on gamers was "I want more Devil May Cry", then DMC would've, despite the fact that it's a reboot, it would've made big numbers early on and word of mouth would dictate its long term success (legs).
Considering that DmC is selling poorly from the very beginning, it means demand for the series itself is low.
Sure, negative reaction from the vocal hardcore might've slashed a hundred or two hundred thousand units, but even then I would say most of the vocal hardcore that wasn't happy with the reboot, bought it anyway.
DmC selling poor doesn't mean people want DMC 5, it means people aren't interested in DMC period. Other factors like retail competition matter also, of course.
Yup. The marketing was really misleading.
Star Wars fans don't wish for the movies they don't like to tank at the box-office, though, because they realize if they do, there won't be any new Star Wars movies at all.
Supermanisdead
Member
Well, at least now we can get the run and jump iOS game. Devil May Cry Rush. Press left side to win, press right side to pause.
We've never got PC sales for DMC 4, so I doubt we'll get them for DmC. The 2.7 million figure is consoles only.
Devil May Cry 4
Release : 2008/1
Platform : PlayStation 3, Xbox 360
Units : 2,700 thousand units
Monocle
Member
Holy flawed assumptions, Batman. Capcom and Ninja Theory experienced a vocal outcry from the DMC community when DmC was announced, and for a long time they simply plugged their ears. Now they're feeling it right in the moneybags.
Considering how DMC4 and the DMC HD Collection are selling, there's definitely still demand for the series.
Pureauthor
Member
That analysis kinda breaks down when all indications are that the DMC HD collection is beating the pants off DmC in sales.
CambriaRising
Member
If he had rebooted them, you might have a point. Its no different than someone not liking DMC2 in that case. Bad Analogy.
It was one of my favorite franchises, and still is.
Use that straw man all you want. Go find me 20 people on gaf that actually feel that exact way then.
Glass Rebel
Member
Sounds a bit easier than a Nephilim run in DmC.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Jetpack Joyride with Dante
All the vehicles are different styles, the jetpack is him aiming is guns at the ground and firing.
I have mixed feelings about this: one side of me hated what they did to the characters (i don't really care anymore) and thinks that this reboot was not necesary at all. Now that i'm playing it, the other side is liking the game so far (i'm currently on chapter 9) and thinks it's a good game and deserves better.
What i have clear is that Capcom and Ninja Theory shouldn't have pissed the fans the way they did (special mention to Taneem's comments), so i guess they are reaping what they sow.
What i have clear is that Capcom and Ninja Theory shouldn't have pissed the fans the way they did (special mention to Taneem's comments), so i guess they are reaping what they sow.
ShockingAlberto
Member
By this logic, did everyone hate Ocarina of Time?
It's not a straw man. There's been three years of forum posts and shitty articles about how a reboot was just what DMC needed because supposedly 4 was unpopular junk.
When Dragon's Dogma and DmC combined can't sell more than DMC 4 did on its own, maybe someone at Capcom will get the message.
Haunted
Member
I don't think there would have been as much hate if the prequels he did were good.10/10
Star Wars fans are embarrassing. I can't believe how much hate they spewed at George Lucas just because he didn't make the prequels they wanted. Absolutely pathetic.
Then again, looking at this thread, maybe the quality of the end product doesn't really matter after all. (DmC is a good game).
Monocle
Member
I think you'll find the analogy fits just fine, since its relevance doesn't depend on the prequel/reboot distinction.
The point is, DmC doesn't live up to the standard set by the three main DMC games. It doesn't matter that DmC is a decent action game on its own merits—it's still a clear downgrade.
PeterVenkman
Member
Then enjoy your "good game", but it's fine for people who didn't like the result to be vocally upset. And that isn't strawman - GAF DmC threads were filled with people who wanted a reboot and welcomed the new Dante. It was even more prominent on other forums
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Haunted said:
In your opinion
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
eh.. I don't want another rushed product like DMC4. No thanks.
If they had any sense they'd take their time with DMC5. Wait for Itsuno to finish up DD2.
Or just call up Platinum
Glass Rebel
Member
Good games in great franchises don't cut it anymore. What has this industry come to?!
Supermanisdead
Member
I would buy a Dante skin for Jetpack Joyride... no, for every game I own.
Pureauthor
Member
I can't speak for anyone else, but DmC being a good game (I'd go with 'mediocre', personally) does not make it a good Devil May Cry game, and that's a very important distinction.
Any proof of that? The Devil May Cry Collection is selling really well, but nothing I've seen indicates that it is outselling DMC.
Neither did 4, and it sold the most, didn't it?
CambriaRising
Member
It does depend on that actually. It is a completely different scenario and mindset for fans and creators alike. This game would not have garnered as much hate pre-release if it was a prequel. People were very excited for the Star Wars prequels pre-release and because they were bad movies on top of them being bad star wars movies, people did not like them.
Completely different scenarios, which is why your analogy is broken.
The Prequels were legitimately bad products, and DmC by all indications is not a bad product at all.
Stop trying to being logic into a DmC thread. It never works.
ShockingAlberto
Member
DMC4 struck closer to those games than DmC.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
mmmm nope. I played Bayonetta thoroughly (beat Infinite Climax) and it's really not too similar to DMC3 and 4.
My DMC itch can only be scratched by DMC.
Also MGR is fairly different to NG. There's nothing in MGR like jumping back from an enemy towards a wall, throwing shurikens so you don't get the wall jump animation, and performing an on-landing UT using essence from the enemy you had izuna dropped earlier.
Keep in mind I'm not criticizing MGR or Bayo...but they're really not replacements.
DMC4 IS one of the three main DMC games he was referring to lol. 4 is an excellent game, especially the Bloody Palace mode.
Jathaine
Member
I, what?
You can't be talking about Just Guard, right? If you are... you need to replay those games.
Its almost TOO good because of Just Release.
Pureauthor
Member
Glass Rebel
Member
Not surprised. Played the demo, and while it was fun, I really don't like the changes it made to the series. Really hoping for DMC5.
Goddamn lol.
Jathaine
Member
Gameplay wise I feel it surpassed even 3.
Its in the other areas which DMC fans generally don't really care as much that it was found lacking.
The areas that DmC is stronger in. Clearly these are not the elements that fans care about evidenced by all the threads and these sales numbers.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Combat in DMC4 was excellent and a completely welcomed edition to the franchise, that's really all that matters. It deserved to sell because of that alone as far as I'm concerned.
I have my MANY problems with DMC4, but that gameplay was ace, and was what I expected from a DMC entry. Period.
LOL!
I can tell you're new around these parts. You just told Dahbomb to replay a DMC.
Duxxy3
Member
thesolidshark
Member
I'm set on laughing for the rest of today. Good shit.
As big as brand names/series go, they (should) only go so far. I don't expect every Metal Gear fan to buy Rising at all; some prefer the stealth aspect as the principle reason they play MG at all, and that's fine.
Even more than a spin-off, a reboot will always make the established fanbase pause and take stock in what was, is now, and will be. And selling poorly can reflect on an individual game instead of the series in-general. I'm pretty sure a DMC5 effort that would improve off of DMC 1,3, and 4 (Nero's story continued, little-to-no-back-tracking, playable Nero/Dante/Vergil campaigns, continue evolving the fighting system, adapting the atmosphere of DMC1, etc) could sell well. Fans will back it, which will give good word of mouth and could mean more to an average purchaser than review score (even outside of GAF).
This too.
Couldn't care less if Heavenly Sword 2 fails or not, (and i don't think it's very good either) i just want a real DMC5 to be made.
Not to mention the gaming press being equally as insulting, ignoring valid criticisms of the gameplay to claim that fans are mad about him not having "white hair" to insults involving small penises and "Cheeto dust" .
ShockingAlberto
Member
Like, I understand the complaints about DMC4's backtracking. The level design and pacing in that game were embarrassing.
But I also feel these things about DmC. It feels like a bunch of skins applied over the same floating blocks over and over.
But I also feel these things about DmC. It feels like a bunch of skins applied over the same floating blocks over and over.
Cold as ice.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Oh shit. Lol
At this point, just give these fans DMC5, and let it be the end. Lol, I've never seen people so pissed off to get a good game. I've replayed all of the DMCs in the past month. Great games (except for DMC2), and I just don't see what the big deal is about the lore. It seems like empty popcorn fun to me, but I honestly feel that way about all video game stories, ever since I started reading literature.
I've said it before, but I can understand it if the this game was taken away from the DMC team, but they're making DD, and look to be making DD2. At that point, what's there to complain about? I know people will say, "Platinum Games", but they make enough hack n slash games, and we need diversity in the genre.
I've said it before, but I can understand it if the this game was taken away from the DMC team, but they're making DD, and look to be making DD2. At that point, what's there to complain about? I know people will say, "Platinum Games", but they make enough hack n slash games, and we need diversity in the genre.
LOL, cold-blooded.
I've said it before, but if you're feeling that insulted about a game or criticism of it or whatever, then you need to reevaluate your relationship with video games. You shouldn't be taking it this seriously.