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[grimshawish]

"We have a moderately successful IP!"
"Moderately successful?"
"Yes! Moderately successful, we're all very joyful!"
"Why do you not just say...'a successful IP'?"
"Well...because its only moderately successful..."
"Only? ONLY!? I SHOULD HAVE YOUR HEAD! ALL THIS TALK OF ONLY; 'Moderately; who am I Lord Blackadder?"
"Well, Ma'am...your the Queen of England, aren't you Ma'am?"
"And should the Queen of England expect 'moderately' or 'only'?"
"Well no Ma'am...but it is is a niche title!"
"NICHE!"
"-I mean! At the moment Ma'am..."
"So you will make this successful for me Blackadder?"
"Oh absolutely Ma'am! 'Only' successful!"
"Hehe! Well if you don't I'll have your head.

At some point during after Blackadder leaves Queenie; a smart and courageous man said the following:
"Ah, but I've got a cunning plan! If we get rid of the things people like and replace them with all the things people don't like, then the people who don't currently like what people do currently like - will be the ones who like the game!"

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This was possibly too much effort and rubbish but I am bored and on caffeine

 

[Lucc]

Marketing was terrible. Especially the arrogance of the creative director set the tone for all the hate the game received.

Should have had another spokesman and explained the changes to the community without being a cocky prick.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

The game will pick up massively when it hits bomba prices. It's the best bargin bin game in a while. But yeah, this is going to hurt NT in the long run in pitching projects. The best thing they hope is capcom has still got faith in them and throw them another bone.

But let's not forget. Clover was not shut down because if the quailty of their games but rather the fact their games underperformed, a fact that's only marginally better now as platinum. While I'm sure the normal heads of development wanna see more ninja theory, the guys who actually just look at the numbers might not be too happy right now.


$48,000,000 in sales, no matter how much that would have been in pure profit is not something you can just explain away.

 

[slaughterking]

Because that is what people care about in a Devil May Cry game. Characters and Story.

And saying DmC's story has any sort of depth is highly questionable anyway.

 

[Majukun]

I'd venture a guess that Bayonetta 2 is going to do even worse numbers. One platform, and if DmC didn't sell I don't see how the much more far out Bayonetta will.

if bayonetta 2 is the same type of game of the first one,they will have an entirely different type of customer in mind.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

NPD numbers must have been dissastrous is they expect only 1.2 million sales.

I can't see Capcom being to happy with these numbers and basically makes NT third bomba game.

 

[davonaytor]

Sucks that it didn't meet expectations. I played a bit of it on the PC and it is a lot of fun.

 

[Guess Who]

A lot of the dialogue is also terribly written and cringeworthy.

The dialogue was mostly pretty well done and natural, it was the overall plot that had serious issues.

 

[Majukun]

lol no. Least this game had characters that had motivation and depth, and a story that made some sort of sense. 4 was a fun game, but I had no idea what was going on. Not to mention half the game was backtracking.

you really think that fans of the franchise followed it for the story?really?

 

[DirtRiver]

Any knowledge on the game budget?

It's crazy to think 1 million copies sold don't cut it anymore.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

This is definitely the best news I have read in a while though.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Because that is what people care about in a Devil May Cry game. Characters and Story.

you really think that fans of the franchise followed it for the story?really?

I play videogames for gameplay.

The gameplay in DmC is just as good as 4. I actually enjoyed it more which is why I didn't mention it. If the gameplay is on par, the best thing they could have done was make the story and characters actually good, which they did.

 

[Gbraga]

The feel of 2 millions.

Ok that was good

 

[Banana Kid]

It deserved to do better. It really is a great game.

 

[Pie and Beans]

don't they have two billion in the bank?

The Sammy part of SegaSammy probably does, sure. Look at it like this, Sammy adopted a son into his farmhouse, the loveable ruffian failure that is Sega. He set him to work out on the farm and gave him a wage for doing so, even put SAMMY&SON up on the gate. Except Sega kept accidentally killing farm animals and killing crops, losing the farm as a whole more and more money. So Sammy doesn't let him out on the farm as much to do big important things anymore and certainly doesn't pay him as much.

 

[toastyToast]

DmC's story is poorly conceived, only saved by writing that seems like its meaningful because of the delivery.

you really think that fans of the franchise followed it for the story?really?

Not the moment to moment of it, but yes, people really liked the characters and the lore

 

[AcceptableGhost]

The gameplay in DmC is just as good as 4. I actually enjoyed it more which is why I didn't mention it. If the gameplay is on par, the best thing they could have done was make the story and characters actually good, which they did.

Hahahahahahahahahah

Man you are good at JOKES man

 

[Haunted]

The Japanese market didn't like it either? Shame.


Probably my favourite DMC game.

 

[haikira]

Resident Evil 6 Selling 4.8 is fucking depressing, compared to this sales for this game. If there was one game fans need to be weary of and not buy blindly and one fans needed to be open minded of, well, they're not the right way around in my books.

I can't believe how many people around here think it was some conspiracy or money grab decision. Hideaki Itsuno moved on the Dragon's Dogma and now Dragon's Dogma 2 it seems. Also they kept boasting during development of Resident Evil 6, how they had more people at capcom working at once on the game, than they ever had on any other project. I'm not surprised they were short staffed and farmed out Dead Rising 2, Lost Planet 3 and DmC to western developers.

DmC doesn't come close to matching the combat depth of previous games, i'll admit that in a heart beat. But it's a surprisingly good game and it's a shame it couldn't have just stood on it's own, rather than being constantly compared to the previous series.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Also I don't think the "We're afraid of piracy and also stupid" week or so delay for PC really helped things.

Instead of being part of the conversation, it meant a lot of people just waited for bomba prices.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The Japanese market didn't like it either?

Not much, sold less than 4 and Bayonetta.

 

[Curufinwe]

"We have a moderately successful IP!"
"Moderately successful?"
"Yes! Moderately successful, we're all very joyful!"
"Why do you not just say...'a successful IP'?"
"Well...because its only moderately successful..."
"Only? ONLY!? I SHOULD HAVE YOUR HEAD! ALL THIS TALK OF ONLY; 'Moderately; who am I Lord Blackadder?"
"Well, Ma'am...your the Queen of England, aren't you Ma'am?"
"And should the Queen of England expect 'moderately' or 'only'?"
"Well no Ma'am...but it is is a niche title!"
"NICHE!"
"-I mean! At the moment Ma'am..."
"So you will make this successful for me Blackadder?"
"Oh absolutely Ma'am! 'Only' successful!"
"Hehe! Well if you don't I'll have your head.

At some point during after Blackadder leaves Queenie; a smart and courageous man said the following:
"Ah, but I've got a cunning plan! If we get rid of the things people like and replace them with all the things people don't like, then the people who don't currently like what people do currently like - will be the ones who like the game!"

----------------------------------------------------

This was possibly too much effort and rubbish but I am bored and on caffeine

I appreciated it.

God I hope they never do a Blackadder reboot.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Hahahahahahahahahah

Man you are good at JOKES man

Opinions man. Making the move set tight and usable is much better than the concept of just adding 10,000 moves, 3/4 of which people will never use.

 

[hamchan]

Loved the game and thought it was fantastic. Either way they go with it DmC2 or DMC5 I'm pretty happy with, a thought apparently not shared by some of the more crazy fans. The worst thing that could happen is that neither game gets made because of poor sales.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Steam or Amazon sale then.

 

[Skilletor]

The gameplay in DmC is just as good as 4. I actually enjoyed it more which is why I didn't mention it. If the gameplay is on par, the best thing they could have done was make the story and characters actually good, which they did.

I couldn't disagree more. Nothing Ninja Theory has made can touch a top tier japanese action game's combat.

Opinions man. Making the move set tight and usable is much better than the concept of just adding 10,000 moves, 3/4 of which people will never use.

They cut 3/4 of the moves for 1/2 the sales. That's math you can take to the bank!

 

[Pai Pai Master]

It's definitely not the trainwreck I expected back when the game was first announced. But I definitely do not think the gameplay is as good as DMC4, that's crazy talk.

Does not deserve poor sales, but I'm interested to see Capcom's reaction. I do think they'll give NT another shot (no reason not to release a follow-up in a couple of years, it'd be nice to see Ninja Theory finally get to make a sequel), but I wouldn't mind them keeping the option open of going back to the main series sooner than later.

 

[JoeFenix]

Finished the game on PC and thought it was pretty terrible honestly. So many questionable things, such a lack of excitement and style, this game just doesn't cut it.

Can't say I'm sad to see the sales reflect the lack of quality.

 

[toastyToast]

Opinions man. Making the move set tight and usable is much better than the concept of just adding 10,000 moves, 3/4 of which people will never use.

DmC has about the same amount of moves. Maybe you just preferred it because of the way the buttons were mapped

 

[denshuu]

Hahahahahahahahahah

Man you are good at JOKES man

Agreed.

DmC's combat is leagues more fun than DMC4's.

Come at me.

 

[ymmv]

let's look at the positive side
maybe next time capcom will think twice before destroying a loved franchise and piss off fans

The people who actually played the game think it's a very good game. The franchise was not destroyed, those pigheaded fans who shout abuse at NT and Capcom are wrong.

 

[Haunted]

Not much, sold less than 4 and Bayonetta.

:/

I assume the fanbase reactions were the same there as they were here.

The people who actually played the game think it's a very good game. The franchise was not destroyed, those pigheaded fans who shout abuse at NT and Capcom are wrong.

As someone who laughed at the new design and was pretty much shocked at the initial unveil - after playing the demo and the final game, I've basically done a 180 on it.

I guess that many of the negative comments still persisting after people have played it have to do with it being 30fps on consoles, which is simply not up to the standard of the franchise.

At 60fps, I think this game stands toe to toe with any of the predecessors - and looks much better.

 

[danmaku]

this, wish more people would give the game a chance

I will... when the PC version will be cheap enough. I don't think it's worth full price.

 

[Curufinwe]

The people who actually played the game think it's a very good game. The franchise was not destroyed, those pigheaded fans who shout abuse at NT and Capcom are wrong.

There aren't enough of them, and that's what kills franchises. Low sales and lack of interest.

 

[Tomat]

Tameem Am Cry?

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

They cut 3/4 of the moves for 1/2 the sales. That's math you can take to the bank!

It's really a curious thing to look at, is it selling less just because they changed it? Or are people just not as interested in the series? Would DMC5 have sold even less being even less mainstream? Or was the marketing just non-existent? I don't think you can just assume it did worse because of the change in design.

 

[lol51]

This is a great fun game. Shame about the fans committing suicide like this.

 

[Tizoc]

It boggles my mind that a game now needs to sell MORE than 1 million units to be considered profitable. Surely the PC sales of this game have been well at least?
Now I regret not grabbing the PC/Steam ver. for $20 off that website some days ago @_@.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The people who actually played the game think it's a very good game. The franchise was not destroyed, those pigheaded fans who shout abuse at NT and Capcom are wrong.

I played the game. You probably shouldn't presume to state my opinion for me.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

that's a bomba alright.

 

[Skilletor]

It's really a curious thing to look at, is it selling less just because they changed it? Or are people just not as interested in the series? Would DMC5 have sold even less being even less mainstream? Or was the marketing just non-existent? I don't think you can just assume it did worse because of the change in design.

Indeed. I just hope this means no more Ninja Theory DMC. I think they're a shit developer and nothing they do is worth very much of my money.

 

[PeterVenkman]

The people who actually played the game think it's a very good game. The franchise was not destroyed, those pigheaded fans who shout abuse at NT and Capcom are wrong.

One whole string of generalizations doesn't make you right you know.

Not everyone who played it liked it, plenty of people do think the reboot is negative for the original series and do I even need to touch the "pigheaded fans" portion?

 

[PedroPanache]

Shame, I've enjoyed all of Ninja Theory's games to varying degrees, with this being the best. It's a superb game, really inventive, with the boss fights being some of the most fun I've had this generation. Capcom's experiment worked in the sense that it got people, like me, with only a passive interest in the series to sit up and take notice, and I much prefer the Western cheese of Dante than the Japanese. Not to mention that the levels

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look mind blowing in 3D. Hope it's a slow burner, because it should do ok based off word of mouth. Didn't really care for the DMC4, but this has been a nice surprise and surpassed my expectations.

 

[hamchan]

I hope they make DmC 2,3 and 4.

 

[JoeFenix]

You know, I think this is Karma for putting that awful Twitter video in the game.

I don't care what game it is, how good it might be otherwise, if you have something like that in your game you deserve to bomb. Most offensive thing I've seen in a game this generation I think!

 

[AcceptableGhost]

I still can't believe they thought that bringing on Ninja Theory would give them a wider audience. Fucking NINJA THEORY - makers of Bomba and Nuclear Bomba.

 

[jrDev]

The feel of 2 millions.

:-O

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Indeed. I just hope this means no more Ninja Theory DMC. I think they're a shit developer and nothing they do is worth very much of my money.

That's where I disagree. I adored Enslaved and they did great work on the characters and story of DmC. That seems to be their strong point, mo-cap and character development/interaction. I liked the DmC gameplay too, but maybe they just need to co-develop it with someone else if people didn't like the gameplay.

 

[Majukun]

The gameplay in DmC is just as good as 4. I actually enjoyed it more which is why I didn't mention it. If the gameplay is on par, the best thing they could have done was make the story and characters actually good, which they did.

again,opinions,i suppose.

but you can't deny that it was vastly different

 

[batman2million]

Sad to know that 1.2 million doesn't cut it anymore.