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Do All Xbox One Exclusive Launch Games have Microtransactions?
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Doug Heffernan
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You ask why people thought that, Eurogamer is why.
WarMacheen
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If these bullshit transactions become the norm for $60 games this gen, I'm officially done with gaming.
RedNumberFive
Banned
My tag becomes more prophetic by the day.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Can't believe MS are mandating this shit for first party titles and again, when the games press should be loud and clear in their criticisms of this, all you can hear is a whisper.
That will help turn what is a creep towards microtransactions into a flood before we know it. Cheers.
That will help turn what is a creep towards microtransactions into a flood before we know it. Cheers.
Zatoichi's Cane
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What a crock of shit. Pay $60 then get nickel and dimed.
CaptainTiptop
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Yeah, micro-transactions is probably another ass storm CBOAT was keeping ready in his box of secrets. It's a worrying trend.
BigWeather
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KI's is fine. It is like something like Zen Pinball, or Pinball Arcade, where you get a base game and can unlock additional content. Basically it's a free base game with DLC.
The rest, though, is ick. It doesn't matter if it is optional. It matters if it affects the enjoyment of the game by the "average" gamer. Now I know that is hard to nail down, but basically if the game's pace is pleasant (not too rapid as to feel unearned, not too slow as to feel grindy) for the maximum number of gamers then offering micro-transactions as an "impatience tax" is fine.
The problem is that we don't know if developers will find that sweet spot consistently. The RMAH in Diablo 3 sure as heck did not (a different sort of micro-transaction, in terms of a %age of sales to the developer) and there is little doubt it affected the pace of the game negatively.
I'm also uneasy about how the desire to create a steady stream of revenue from micro-transactions could affect the game over time. Not trending high enough for the month? Do a micro-patch to slow down the progression a little bit. Now for something like Forza where you get a fixed amount of credit per series this would be immediately spotted but for something like Diablo 3 lowering the drop rate could be done and, for a while, gotten away with.
The rest, though, is ick. It doesn't matter if it is optional. It matters if it affects the enjoyment of the game by the "average" gamer. Now I know that is hard to nail down, but basically if the game's pace is pleasant (not too rapid as to feel unearned, not too slow as to feel grindy) for the maximum number of gamers then offering micro-transactions as an "impatience tax" is fine.
The problem is that we don't know if developers will find that sweet spot consistently. The RMAH in Diablo 3 sure as heck did not (a different sort of micro-transaction, in terms of a %age of sales to the developer) and there is little doubt it affected the pace of the game negatively.
I'm also uneasy about how the desire to create a steady stream of revenue from micro-transactions could affect the game over time. Not trending high enough for the month? Do a micro-patch to slow down the progression a little bit. Now for something like Forza where you get a fixed amount of credit per series this would be immediately spotted but for something like Diablo 3 lowering the drop rate could be done and, for a while, gotten away with.
I can't express enough how thoroughly disgusting micro-transactions are in games that are not free to play.
What Microsoft is doing is dooming the more niche games by pushing these sleazy business practices onto gamers that know better. The hardcore type of gamers that look for these "B" level games won't stand for it as easily as the casual/mainstream gamers do. For me, games like Crimson Dragon having them means I'll be skipping them completely.
The big must-haves AAA games, though, can typically get by with whatever kind of micro-transaction they shoehorn into it, and the publishers know it. The whole thing is so incredibly sad and the younger generation that has grown up with it and sees this practice as normal is going to make it even easier for them to continue pushing it on the hardcore gamers.
I really hope Sony doesn't take this route too, but there's no reason they wouldn't eventually. In the end, though, great games will always be made no matter how much more broken the industry gets.
What Microsoft is doing is dooming the more niche games by pushing these sleazy business practices onto gamers that know better. The hardcore type of gamers that look for these "B" level games won't stand for it as easily as the casual/mainstream gamers do. For me, games like Crimson Dragon having them means I'll be skipping them completely.
The big must-haves AAA games, though, can typically get by with whatever kind of micro-transaction they shoehorn into it, and the publishers know it. The whole thing is so incredibly sad and the younger generation that has grown up with it and sees this practice as normal is going to make it even easier for them to continue pushing it on the hardcore gamers.
I really hope Sony doesn't take this route too, but there's no reason they wouldn't eventually. In the end, though, great games will always be made no matter how much more broken the industry gets.
Version 3.0
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Why is assuming they don't have this policy any better than assuming they do? Which upcoming games don't have microtransactions?
Project Spark is free to play though.
WarMacheen
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NoMoreTrolls
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Indeed. Is it confirmed that GT6 has undergone a design philosophy change that causes money to be more dear this time around? Because that's what has happened with Forza.
Repeating this from the Forza thread because it's topical:
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
GT6 and we don't know if the economy will be changed for it like F5. GT5 highest race gives 100k and 20 million for top car so if you want the rarest cars you are going to have to grind a lot. Now if GT6 makes it even more then that then its apparent the economy has been changed to make people pay.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
You managed to say what I said in half the words, you beautiful bastard.
Before I get outraged I need to know if these games unfairly make the grind more tedious than we are used to from games. If it's the same grind but some chump can pay for an easy out I don't give a shit. If they purposely gimp the grind to try to force you to use money then fuck them, I'm not buying those games.
greatnorthern
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It's interesting that the more expensive console is the one with the abundance of games with microtransactions.
UberTag
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Makes sense to me.
Clearly the people who've bought the more expensive-less powerful system have more disposable income.
They'll also be more inclined to fall into the "a fool and his money are soon parted" doctrine.
Why not exploit them? They clearly deserve to be.
this is really infuriating
i don't love nickel and diming dlc but really there's ways to get the value back - buying the game on sale, waiting for psn sales on dlc, waiting for goty editions to get cheap. the f2p elements though are insidious. they actively make the game you're paying for more tedious to encourage you to pay them more money. crimson dragon and forza 5 sound like they'd be better games without them. that's really troubling. it's like getting a smaller portion of a delicious pizza vs getting a horrible pizza that's only nice if you're willing to spend a big premium on extra toppings. which you only know about for next time, after you've bought a horrible pizza.
i really hope we can get another xbox 180 on this stuff. it's horrible and can easily catch on.
i don't love nickel and diming dlc but really there's ways to get the value back - buying the game on sale, waiting for psn sales on dlc, waiting for goty editions to get cheap. the f2p elements though are insidious. they actively make the game you're paying for more tedious to encourage you to pay them more money. crimson dragon and forza 5 sound like they'd be better games without them. that's really troubling. it's like getting a smaller portion of a delicious pizza vs getting a horrible pizza that's only nice if you're willing to spend a big premium on extra toppings. which you only know about for next time, after you've bought a horrible pizza.
i really hope we can get another xbox 180 on this stuff. it's horrible and can easily catch on.
Well, it's true that they don't have as many exclusives out so they have less opportunity to even go there. However, they could have used Killzone MP for micro transactions or even Knack for powerups but they didn't so maybe Sony just isn't interested in going that route. Although if they do I will lol at the knee-jerk fanwarrior responses to this. It's to early to fly flags for any of this shit because anything can happen.
EA had microtransactions in ME3, and they said it was very profitable. So much so infact that they included similar systems in their following games. Microtransactions are here to stay, and it will only grow and grow this gen. Games used to go up in costs every few years. I remember games costing $80 or $90 at one point. Now games have leveled off at $60? Yeah right. $60 is the trap they lay so they can bleed you dry with DLC and microtransactions.
You can buy some Owl paint jobs in Killzone for $2. Also you can get some skins for Sounds Shapes at $1. That's it as far as first party lineups go. Of course, the free to play games have the currency/real money bundles as well, which is expected.
Here's a list of all the DLC available on the PS4: https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...store&utm_content=sANPzvMsd&pcrid=28213795002
Why do people keep saying this? MS claiming KI is F2P does not make it F2P. 1 character for free is a glorified demo, not F2P.
They technically do have their F2P lineup that has micro transactions. DCUO, Warframe, Blacklight Retribution. That's fine since they're F2P...as long as they don't shove that on their $60 exclusives.
The fact MS decided to okay this type of system on their exclusives so early is borderline stupid.
vagabondarts
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Copying my post from the Forza thread here for good measure:
This kind of greed puts me off of the gaming industry completely. Modern games are going to get more and more brazen about it and a lot of you are going to eat it up. I was fed up with doors you couldn't enter or quests you couldn't accept without DLC purchases in the last gen of gaming, adopting the free to play monetization model for full price games is just... I give up.These kinds of IAP transactions just disgust me.
Enjoy Next-Gen guys.
This kind of greed puts me off of the gaming industry completely. Modern games are going to get more and more brazen about it and a lot of you are going to eat it up. I was fed up with doors you couldn't enter or quests you couldn't accept without DLC purchases in the last gen of gaming, adopting the free to play monetization model for full price games is just... I give up.These kinds of IAP transactions just disgust me.
Enjoy Next-Gen guys.
Unknown One
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It's the reason why a lot of the games have huge grinds to get stuff. It was designed to suck money out of people after they got tired of the grind. It's not going away thanks to f2p and the monetiization of p2w.
And there's no grind to unlock characters either. It's a demo that you can build on individually with characters purchased or just buy the game. That's not f2p. I'm not sure what to call it as I've never seen this method of game delivery before.
Uno Venova
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What an unsettling direction they are taking their exclusives in.....
Unknown One
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Yeah, we don't know yet. Gt has always been a grind as well.
onlyindreams
Banned
I wonder if this is one of cboat's ass storms, cause holy shit
probably wont pick up forza now, ugh
probably wont pick up forza now, ugh
Killing_Joke
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Disgusting and as usual very few journalist are barely even mentioning it. Kudos to Eurogamer for at least including it in their review.
What is next? If you play a game over X hours they start charging you per hour?
I mean it seems absurd right, but so was the entire idea of DLC, online passes, micro transactions in boxed games and much more.
What is next? If you play a game over X hours they start charging you per hour?
I mean it seems absurd right, but so was the entire idea of DLC, online passes, micro transactions in boxed games and much more.
Is it apparent the economy in Forza has been changed?
jim-jam bongs
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First they sold people horse armour, and I said nothing because horses look sweet in armour.
Then they forced people to buy multiplayer map packs by turning off playlists without them, and I said nothing because I loved teabagging noobs.
Now they're selling me half a game for $60 and expecting me to shell out double that gradually for the other half, and there is nobody left to speak for me because they're buying PS4s.
Then they forced people to buy multiplayer map packs by turning off playlists without them, and I said nothing because I loved teabagging noobs.
Now they're selling me half a game for $60 and expecting me to shell out double that gradually for the other half, and there is nobody left to speak for me because they're buying PS4s.
Its not but everyone is taking Eurogamer as gospel.
All this negativity makes me wonder how much this board hates FIFA UT. Its my favorite thing to play.
Or Mass Effect multiplayer.
Reallink
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Doesn't really matter if they change the economy or keep it the same. The simple fact that you can buy your way to something that previously had to be earned is game changing and game breaking in its own right. Forza 5 and GT6 are competitive games online, this is 100% pure pay2win. I don't really see what people get out of this, it's like fixed sporting events. What's the point? Anyone that gives these properties a single penny deserves to be shit on with microtransactions.