Icyflamez96
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How is Vegeta Goku
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foxuzamaki
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Vegeta was always Goku tho, just more arrogant, he was basically created to explain why goku is the way he is, its because goku is technically a power hungry fighting monster, but is now a lovable one because he was dropped on his head.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Would Goku still be inexplicably powerful without the head drop? It's always seemed random that no-name Bardock had this super strong son.
Icyflamez96
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Maybe it was more the environment/situations he was put in that helped him strive, rather than his genetics.
Astral Dog
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Well, one point about the SS transformation was that Goku was only able to achieve it because he has a "pure" heart, Frieza said so.
Icyflamez96
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How come Vegeta was able to go Super Saiyan?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What does Freeza know about anything
And_Gignac
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Vegeta isnt Goku...He is Krillin.
Future trunks is the best tho
foxuzamaki
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Being pure of heart doesnt mean your automatically a good guy, goku is only pure of heart in that he is pure in his intents in only wanting to fight the strongest dudes, he isnt always the greatest person, even to his friends and family.
You can be pure evil for instance, as long as your heart is pure, its kind of a interesting subversion of that trope in recent times to play semantics.
Astral Dog
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Vegeta supposedly got "better" (changed?) after the Frieza ark, then spending a few years on Earth.
Goku says he is a Saiyan raised on Earth, that Vegeta and the others are different blah blah until Frieza says thats why Vegeta could never become a Super Saiyan.
Goku says he is a Saiyan raised on Earth, that Vegeta and the others are different blah blah until Frieza says thats why Vegeta could never become a Super Saiyan.
Goku himself was a weakling as a baby. his power level was just 2.
he's just really good at pushing himself and reaching new heights.
And the alien races didn't count on earthling's ability to control ki with martial arts. Even as a low class soldier, Goku combined the Saiyan zenkai power with teachings from the best fighters, like Grandpa Gohan, Roshi and Kami.
Vegeta, for example, didn't have a "master" before Whis.
The Silver
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uh yeah that's what it is, Super Saiyan with god ki.
This is definitely true.
But before, you were never sure of what vegeta was going to do. It was kind of a wild card. Like the examples before of letting cell become perfect or killing people. Even in the buu saga, you wondered if he was really evil and how that would turn out.
Now? Not so much.
Well yeah but without the ritual they aren't full gods. I don't think its god ki yet.
Sibersk Esto
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Vegeta is Piccolo up to the point when piccolo fused with Kami.
Goku was born with a low power level, but didn't seem to adversely effect his zenkai boosts.
This never made sense to me. Sure, it was a cute joke by Toriyama, but the "pure evil" thing doesn't fly because Vegeta became LESS evil after Freeza.
Nappa trained Vegeta as a kid.
The Silver
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Yeah they don't have god ki right now, they have all the power of Super Saiyan God but their ki can still be sensed be normal people so they aren't gods yet. The form where their base aura is that milky white is when they obtain god ki.
Sibersk Esto
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Goku trained under Master Roshi, Korin, Kami, King Kai and Mr. Popo, fought with some of earth's greatest martial artists, drank the divine water, trained in the time chamber as a child, and has since found newer ways to train and get stronger. It's a combination of the opportunities of his environment and his will to take advantage of them that made him stronger.
Huw_Dawson
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Wouldn't put too much stock in what was said about SSJ in the Namek arc. The thing hadn't been used by a living Saiyan for a thousand years - mostly because Saiyans are already brokenly powerful with Oozaru, and SSJ requires extreme training.
The Silver
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Pretty sure this was never said anywhere
I read somewhere one of the main reasons they created Brolly was to help fix this inconsistency with everyone become SSJ so easily.
It was in the Bardock movie.
The Silver
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Where? All I remember was Nappa watching Vegeta fight some saibamen, he wasn't training him.
There are no inconsistency.
Most saiyans were greedy bastards. And they also had no idea how to reach ssj.
It makes perfect sense that metis saiyans and goku would get it.
As for Vegeta, he clearly opened up his heart and knew what to aim for. He had no idea what actually was a ssj before.
Vegku.
Where did Vegeta learn to fight saibamen then?
The original legend was that a SSJ only appeared once every thousand years.
I wouldn't say it's inconsistnt. Once someone obtains a form or ability in Dragon Ball it usually gets figured out by the other main characters relatively quickly to the point where something astonishing becomes mundane. Like the kamehameha, climbing Korin's Tower, learning to fly, etc. They were all extraordinary when first introduced but within an arc or two everyone was able to those things quite easily once they observed or heard how it was done.
Vegeta's a visual learner.
The Silver
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uh cause he was naturally strong like he kept saying he was every chance he got? you know, low class scrubs vs his royal high power level blood.
Frieza never trained either and he knew how to fight, you don't someone to teach you these things in DBZ, especially Saiyans I'd assume since fighting is practically instinct to them.
KidA Seven
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What did they figure out though? That you need to be really angry and be at a certain power level? Then how did Goten or Trunks do it? Those little shits were living in times of peace. In Trunks' case especially, it doesn't make sense. He has his family in tact and he's fucking rich.
The bargain sale ruined it.
Dominican Power
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Gohan is such a chump. I can't stand to look at him anymore. Toriyama ruined him
What ?
This the whole point of the show. Someone gets stronger, they learn how to reach said high.
Your question is like asking why Goku was so much weaker than Raditz and then a million times stronger.
Saiyans are especially good at mimicking others.
Or why Goku was much stronger than Vegeta after the time chamber. If you don't have a clue what to aim for; or the right technique to achieve it; you won't do good.
Same goes for super saiyans.
Goten and Trunks are stronger than Gohan at their age ?
What about fucking Gohan compared to Goku at the same age :/ ...?
KidA Seven
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It started with Gohan. Goku was the legendary saiyan so it made sense that he became stronger than Radditz and Vegeta. Then Gohan bullshitted his way to Super Saiyan and the only option was to let Goten and Trunks follow it. Vegeta didn't even know Trunks could turn SS so it's not like he was taught what makes a SS. He still did it. Even if you disregard that, Trunks still needed to be angry to become a SS. Krillin's death led to Goku's transformation, Vegeta being pissed off at himself being a scrub led to his transformation, future gohan's death led to Future Trunks' transformation,etc...Trunks though? Little shit is living in times of peace, is only like 7 or 8, and is rich. Yeah I'm sure he became angry enough to pull it off.
Dragon Ball makes no sense, but I'm fine with it now that Gohan is irrelevant.
NeonZ
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Goten and Trunks have already fallen behind Gohan at their own age, actually.
Gohan was build up as having more potential than Goku at the time. Either he'd get SSJ or SSJ would turn out to be a dead end since he'd surpass it without becoming one. Either way, that was inevitable. The first time SSJs are mentioned is actually regarding Gohan's hidden power.
Gohan was build up as having more potential than Goku at the time. Either he'd get SSJ or SSJ would turn out to be a dead end since he'd surpass it without becoming one. Either way, that was inevitable. The first time SSJs are mentioned is actually regarding Gohan's hidden power.
Not in the manga.
KidA Seven
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Gohan being built up as having more potential means nothing now that Goten and Trunks are in the picture. Or rather, Gohan being built up as the one with the most potential means nothing now. Goten and Trunks both became SS at a younger age. Goten was 7, while Gohan was 9.
There is just a lot of inconsistency in the series.
I never read the manga. How did he transform? I'm curious.
omnislayer
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The explanation for goten and trunks was actually their fathers being super saiyans.
KidA Seven
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Yeah in which case "most potential" goes out the window as it's now about whether your father was super saiyan at the time you were conceived. If Pan goes SS at a younger age than Goten or Trunks, then it will then be how strong you were at the time you conceived. Well either that or she now has the most potential.
Why didn't Future Trunks turn SS at a younger age than Trunks? Or should we not count that?
The easiest explanation is that Toriyama doesn't give a fuck.
Because the Z-Warriors weren't warned about the Androids? Or, heck, it could have been seeing Trunks as a Super Saiyan drove him to train harder than he would otherwise. So its possible that Vegeta went SSJ later in Future Trunks' timeline, thus the whole Super Saiyan conception theory would be valid.
I Think that was more about potential.
Beeerus has yet to reach max power according to whis
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