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Fallout 4 was a big disappointment
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higgsboson1997
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It was the third best game this year imo.
StrongBelwas
Banned
What was 1and 2?
silvermember
Banned
Which is their choice given how much money they make. They don't change because the market doesn't require them to. Why change when you can make a half baked rpg and have players make excuses at why a supposedly rpg game that has zero decent rpg qualities is not bad.
"I play for exploration not the rpg aspect.' I spent hundreds of hours doing random shit than play the game. Which is fine but, why that has nothing to do with how all the mechanics are bad.
The comparison isn't comparing them to each necessarily though. Its comparing their evolution against other games in the series. The evolution of the witcher series has been quite substantial. TW1 and TW3 don't even play or look the same. That speaks to the evolution the series has gone through. Fallout 4 looks like a prettier Fallout 3. It doesn't seem like that have evolved much when compared to FO3/NV and even Skryim to a certain extent ( though I'll grant you that the TES is its own different animal with different expectations attached). I mean, what's the thing that FO4 does that differentiates it from FO3/NV? Base building? I could see that being in FO3 or NV if they had thought to put that stuff in. I really can't think of anything.
You answered your second point. They are both open world rpgs and have some things in common because of the simple fact that they are open world rpgs and its natural that they will be compared. I'm sure Dragon Age: Inquisition will be compared to it as well just like it was compared to TW3.
I'm also a reluctant passenger on the boat of disappointment. I loved FO3 and NV was a decent expansion to that but now I'm over the novelty of a Fallout game that doesn't look like complete ass, I find myself thoroughly bored with no desire to find out where the game's going.
Easiest 'pass' on a Season Pass I've had in a long time.
Easiest 'pass' on a Season Pass I've had in a long time.
Denton
Member
It's a fun, good, 7/10 game. I have 110 hours in it and plan to finish it, mostly thanks to its atmosphere and exploration.
As an RPG, and more importantly, mainline Fallout game? It's an insulting failure. I just find it sad that after NV, instead of trying to write something even better, Bethesda went into the opposite direction and stripped out and simplified all RPG aspects even further, even worse than they already have in Fallout 3. And yeah, the radiant quests are design scourge.
As an RPG, and more importantly, mainline Fallout game? It's an insulting failure. I just find it sad that after NV, instead of trying to write something even better, Bethesda went into the opposite direction and stripped out and simplified all RPG aspects even further, even worse than they already have in Fallout 3. And yeah, the radiant quests are design scourge.
Chû Totoro
Member
I'm at level 20, maybe 50 hours in the game. I had fun with the game but it's enough Fallout 4 for me (sure I'll play other Fallout games maybe starting by 3 which a lot of Gaffers praise).
Also there's Xenoblade X that I want to play and since I don't have enough time for both it may be the time to switch
Also there's Xenoblade X that I want to play and since I don't have enough time for both it may be the time to switch
Unfortunately, I agree with this.
While I am still enjoying the game, and it actually did improve some things like the gunplay, it also is a step back in many ways IMO. The leveling is more basic and the lack of increasing individual skills is bad, the dialog system is a huge jump back, and the quests (with a couple of exceptions) are a bit boring. Add the underwhelming graphics, relatively long loading times, the amount of loading screens and the very fluctuating performance on PC (goes from 60 to 30 by looking two centimeters to the left), and while it is still a good and maybe even great game, it is not a GOTY contender like the previous Bethesda games for me.
I think you can look at the little vault boy animation on the quest screen, most of the more interesting quests have an unique animation, while the generic ones have a standard one.
While I am still enjoying the game, and it actually did improve some things like the gunplay, it also is a step back in many ways IMO. The leveling is more basic and the lack of increasing individual skills is bad, the dialog system is a huge jump back, and the quests (with a couple of exceptions) are a bit boring. Add the underwhelming graphics, relatively long loading times, the amount of loading screens and the very fluctuating performance on PC (goes from 60 to 30 by looking two centimeters to the left), and while it is still a good and maybe even great game, it is not a GOTY contender like the previous Bethesda games for me.
I think you can look at the little vault boy animation on the quest screen, most of the more interesting quests have an unique animation, while the generic ones have a standard one.
Revolutionary
Member
Looking forward to tomorrow's Fallout sucks/rules thread. I wonder which it'll be.
Seriously though, what's wrong with the OT for these kind of threads?
Seriously though, what's wrong with the OT for these kind of threads?
I agree. Radiant quests are ass. I kinda like the simplified presentation of the dialog, BUT they are extremely limiting. You can't be an asshole.
But this is my goty! So far...
old manatee
Banned
It was a good move for them financially to put out a fucking awful game. A numbered Fallout on a new generation of consoles, with some bullshots to back it up was going to sell a ton of copies whether or not they put any measure of effort into it or not.
Windom Earle
Member
Yes, it's as bad as I feared it would be. Bethesda is a terrible dev. Only obsidian could make me care about fallout again.
Gurgelhals
Member
Yep. As I've posted in another "Fallout 4 is a disappointment" thread, if you take it for what it is and re-label some of the entries accordingly, it all makes sense:
Quite the mantra you got there.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
The foundation and gameplay were solid, but the content (as in the quests and things you have to do) were subpar. I keep playing to built settlements and kill things really, don't care about my son.
Yep. As I've posted in another "Fallout 4 is a disappointment" thread, if you take it for what it is and re-label some of the entries accordingly, it all makes sense:
The "Featuring Dante" meme on Fallout Shelter 2 got to me. Everything on this image is so true.
But... is it worth 35? Because that's the price several retailers near me are asking for it now. The dialogue and quests are the main reasons why I haven't bought it yet, and from what I read pretty much everywhere, my concerns were justified. Regardless, I did enjoy Fallout 3 (but I prefer NV in general) despite a lacklustre main story, and Fallout 4 looks great aesthetically.
Questions, questions.
Questions, questions.
Eighty Deuce
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Yep. As I've posted in another "Fallout 4 is a disappointment" thread, if you take it for what it is and re-label some of the entries accordingly, it all makes sense:
Fallout tactics was a good game
Just being concise. I could go on and on about how great it is.
I'm really enjoying the game, but I agree completely with this - its just such a piss poor setup, along with terrible wooden dialogue, terrible wooden characters....the only thing driving me forward is the world and the exploration, which I really enjoy despite the faults (see below)
Right from the beginning where you sign up for vault access, and hooray that was lucky, just in time for the bomb to drop, there was zero sense that this is the 'end of the world', even when the nuke goes off in the distance. And then some crap with BABY SEAN OH NOES and out I come - apparently its 200 years later - 200 YEARS! And yet everything is just a bit tumble down and rusty. Its looks at most like perhaps 20 years has gone by. not to mention I saw a nuke go off just over there, why are the pylons still standing, all those buildings.....blah blah etc. Theres suspension of disbelief and then theres just crap I can't take seriously.
Honestly, the opening was so bad. If thats the best effort that Bethesda's writers could come up with, then they should feel bad. It could have been something so much better, so much more powerful/evocative.
And having your hunt for Sean as the main quest line - its so stupid when the entire world is built around doing other stuff. You just can't have the set up as something so desperately urgent and then not have this massive dissonance when your character spends his time building bases out of scrap instead of hunting for his kidnapped son.
Confused Cheeseburger
Member
How many of these threads are there going to be? It's funny cuz you will see this game round the top 10 of GAF GOTY Short list.
Nah, its ok. I just thought it went well with your tag.
Dick Justice
Banned
You're trying too hard.
StrongBelwas
Banned
Obviously not everyone does love it, but I think there are a lot of people like me that see its flaws and there are some glaring ones that are frustrated it's not better but still really enjoy what's there. Overall it is one of my favourite games of the year but that doesn't mean there aren't a ton of things I wish it did better.
So what? Nearly all of the larger GOTY candidates spawn these threads, by virtue of the fact that a lot of people play the game. This one more than most because it reflects so poorly vis-a-vis its immediate predecessor.
FairXchange
Member
FO4 is the best game I played this year without a doubt.
outunderthestars
Banned
I'm 45 hours in now and continue to love the game. It's very different from 3/NV in my opinion, but still a great game. I've really gotten into the weapon and aemor modding system in a way I never have before, the settlement building system has been really enjoyable, and scavenging actually means something this time.
Those new systems combined with improved combat, an interesting world, and great art style have made the game my favorite of the generation thus far.
Those new systems combined with improved combat, an interesting world, and great art style have made the game my favorite of the generation thus far.
The thing is, how can the world be interesting if it's devoid of good characters and good quests that further the lore of the world.
It's a giant sandbox, and a pretty and fun one, but devoid of any extra meaning.
It's a good Fallout setting game, but it's not worthy of the Fallout 4 title, my opinion that is.
old manatee
Banned
I kept hearing people call the world an amusement park and I really think that is accurate. There is no atmosphere like there was in earlier Fallouts or something like the Stalker games. It's just a bunch of silly places crowded together evenly across a large area.
Also it feels really safe like an amusement park and the loading screen at every building feels like standing in line for a ride.
Fuz
Banned
While I do agree on all your points, I don't really understand why are you complaining.
It's the usual bethesda game. What did you expect?
And you'll buy their next game too.
Its just one of those games which I've adjusted my expectations down a little and am having a lot of fun with. Some of it though (the intro hour or so is my personal bugbear - dialogue, story, voice acting, character, set up, all so poorly done) is just so bad you have to wonder how anyone thought it was good enough.
SolidChamp
Banned
Agreed.
I complain because I don't think past bethesda games were like that.
Bethesda games would never take an award for their graphics (although oblivion and morrowind for their time were really good) or their dialogue system but it was never as bad as Fallout 4 (the graphics aren't that bad but they are below average). Also the quests in bethesda games were usually good especially in oblivion and while radiant quests did exist in skyrim they weren't in such an amount as Fallout 4. I don't think Fallout 4 is the usual bethesda game it feels lazy and a step down from the rest of their products.
Confused Cheeseburger
Member
I agree. It's a flawed game, what I should say instead, is the narrative on GAF is amplified to the point that you might think no one likes Fallout 4 to the point that there's a person in this thread feeling guilty for liking it. I feel these threads are getting redundant, when OP is saying the same things in other threads, and having a multitude of the same thread makes Fallout's failure seem near universal. Obviously, that isn't true.
I have high hopes for Fallout 4 DLC and mods. If people can retool Skyrim into a tropical Anime elf waitu simulator, they can turn Fallout 4 into a good game.
All it would take is the removal of voice acting and a retooled dialogue system with more SPECIAL checks, honestly. Modders are already on the way to making this happen. Maybe some small loopholes to have your cake and eat it too, because I hated how black and white the endings were. I think one of the older Fallout games had a mod that added creature diversity, which Fallout 4 desperately needs. Even a dozen more creatures would be game-changing, because the lack of fauna makes the game seem more repetitive than what it really is.
The world map is really tiny, so hopefully Bethesda expands it with their DLC instead of teleporting the player to Alaska or something.
I wonder if Modders will be able to remove Shaun from the game? It probably wouldn't be too difficult, besides a few tricky parts. Skyrim modders have done trickier things.
All it would take is the removal of voice acting and a retooled dialogue system with more SPECIAL checks, honestly. Modders are already on the way to making this happen. Maybe some small loopholes to have your cake and eat it too, because I hated how black and white the endings were. I think one of the older Fallout games had a mod that added creature diversity, which Fallout 4 desperately needs. Even a dozen more creatures would be game-changing, because the lack of fauna makes the game seem more repetitive than what it really is.
The world map is really tiny, so hopefully Bethesda expands it with their DLC instead of teleporting the player to Alaska or something.
I wonder if Modders will be able to remove Shaun from the game? It probably wouldn't be too difficult, besides a few tricky parts. Skyrim modders have done trickier things.