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[5secondrulesucks]

ugh youre one of those party poopers. probably one of the types that gets made at people for celebrating valentines day or something. "hey man how can you support this 'holiday' that was invented by corporations maaaaaaan". people can be proud for many and anything and its fucking arrogant to be like "omg i dont get how these people can be proud of nothing". what happens if youre proud of where you are from and of your culture and also of your personal achievements at the same time. yes the same time.

 

[Tapioca]

Being proud to be an American, well that's nationalism and we all know that nationalism is bad in 2018.

Nationalism is bad in America? In what reality do you live in?

The country that nearly forces children to pledge allegiance to the American flag every single school day? The America that sings the national anthem before every sporting event? The America that 50% of houses have American flags hanging up on them? The America where you go into any mall and find a plethora of clothing with American flags on them? The America where this type of shit isn't hard to find?

 

[Tapioca]

ugh youre one of those party poopers. probably one of the types that gets made at people for celebrating valentines day or something. "hey man how can you support this 'holiday' that was invented by corporations maaaaaaan". people can be proud for many and anything and its fucking arrogant to be like "omg i dont get how these people can be proud of nothing". what happens if youre proud of where you are from and of your culture and also of your personal achievements at the same time. yes the same time.

Usually the people who are proud of shit they had nothing to do with, have nothing else to be proud of. It's grasping for straws. Grasping for something to give them some sort of comfort within themselves. It's pretty much a gigantic sign of low self confidence/self esteem.

And I love valentines day. My boyfriend buys me stuff.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

Usually the people who are proud of shit they had nothing to do with, have nothing else to be proud of. It's grasping for straws. Grasping for something to give them some sort of comfort within themselves. It's pretty much a gigantic sign of low self confidence/self esteem.

And I love valentines day. My boyfriend buys me stuff.

lmao. naw thats just your arrogance talking again. im almost surprised you didnt drop the word "sheeple"

 

[Papa]

This has nothing to do with the topic. Why so obsessed with black people? Do you guys wish you were trans-racial or something?

Yes it does. Your argument was based on the logic that an individual shouldn’t be proud of the accomplishments of the preceding members of the group they belong to because they had no direct involvement. By extension, individuals should also not be held accountable for the actions of the preceding members of the group they belong to because they had no direct involvement. It’s the same core logic and anyone who would advocate one and not the other is a hypocrite. Misunderstanding the group-individual dynamic is the reason you (and so many others) struggle to follow the logic of and subsequently participate in these topics.

Trans-racialism? Now that is off topic. I neither want to nor don’t want to be black; it’s simply irrelevant.

 

[Papa]

Yet with DNA testing you can now know exactly what your genetic history is.

That’s a valid point but a recent technological development so we need to give the victimhood ideologues time to update their rhetoric.

 

[Papa]

Also, not feeling pride in a country does not equate to hating it.

I don't take pride in owning a Logitech mouse but I still like the mouse and surely do not hate it.

Whether Logitech succeeds or fails as a brand has no bearing on your success as an individual so it’s not an apt comparison.

 

[Vicetrailia]

That’s a valid point but a recent technological development so we need to give the victimhood ideologues time to update their rhetoric.

The fact that you posted this with a straight face, it takes some major self censorship to not blow you up.

However, knowing whereabout your country of origin after so many generations means nothing in the context of these idiotic suggestions. You guys have screws loose.

 

[Papa]

The fact that you posted this with a straight face, it takes some major self censorship to not blow you up.

However, knowing whereabout your country of origin after so many generations means nothing in the context of these idiotic suggestions. You guys have screws loose.

How do you know I had a straight face? Don’t censor yourself, let me have it

Knowing the country of origin isn’t a big deal in and of itself but it was in the context of his reply to Robido.

 

[Tapioca]

Yes it does. Your argument was based on the logic that an individual shouldn’t be proud of the accomplishments of the preceding members of the group they belong to because they had no direct involvement. By extension, individuals should also not be held accountable for the actions of the preceding members of the group they belong to because they had no direct involvement. It’s the same core logic and anyone who would advocate one and not the other is a hypocrite. Misunderstanding the group-individual dynamic is the reason you (and so many others) struggle to follow the logic of and subsequently participate in these topics.

Trans-racialism? Now that is off topic. I neither want to nor don’t want to be black; it’s simply irrelevant.

My argument was that taking claim for an accomplishment that your ancestors accomplished is dumb. My argument was not "the past actions of an ancestor cannot affect the future". If my dad built a house, I have no right to take building accomplishment claims for that house. However if he leaves it for me in his will, I will benefit financially from that house. You see how I can be affected by the past actions of my ancestors without taking accomplishment for it?

Black people today aren't claiming to have had the experience of being a slave that their ancestors did. The argument around slavery is how the past can affect the future/present.

You tried to take an argument about pride/accomplishment and turn it into a racial argument over cause/effect. It's completely irrelevant to this topic.

You really thought you had a "gotcha moment". LOL

 

[5secondrulesucks]

My argument was that taking claim for an accomplishment that your ancestors accomplished is dumb. My argument was not "the past actions of an ancestor cannot affect the future". If my dad built a house, I have no right to take building accomplishment claims for that house. However if he leaves it for me in his will, I will benefit financially from that house. You see how I can be affected by the past actions of my ancestors without taking accomplishment for it?

Black people today aren't claiming to have had the experience of being a slave that their ancestors did. The argument around slavery is how the past can affect the future/present.

You tried to take an argument about pride/accomplishment and turn it into a racial argument over cause/effect. It's completely irrelevant to this topic.

You really thought you had a "gotcha moment". LOL

its pretty funny how against it you are.

 

[Papa]

My argument was that taking claim for an accomplishment that your ancestors accomplished is dumb. My argument was not "the past actions of an ancestor cannot affect the future". If my dad built a house, I have no right to take building accomplishment claims for that house. However if he leaves it for me in his will, I will benefit financially from that house. You see how I can be affected by the past actions of my ancestors without taking accomplishment for it?

Black people today aren't claiming to have had the experience of being a slave that their ancestors did. The argument around slavery is how the past can affect the future/present.

You tried to take an argument about pride/accomplishment and turn it into a racial argument over cause/effect. It's completely irrelevant to this topic.

You really thought you had a "gotcha moment". LOL

I know what your point was but I don’t think you understand mine. You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of the group-individual dynamic you like as though it’s a buffet.

 

[Vicetrailia]

How do you know I had a straight face? Don’t censor yourself, let me have it

Knowing the country of origin isn’t a big deal in and of itself but it was in the context of his reply to Robido.

Ah okay, sounds good then.

 

[Super Mario]

When can we stop getting all of our news and opinions from polls and misleading headlines?

It's not surprise to me that Democrats aren't proud. They are a party of hatred and victims. Little do they know that the Democratic platform will not make them happier. If they want a better life, they should become Republican.

 

[Papa]

When can we stop getting all of our news and opinions from polls and misleading headlines?

It's not surprise to me that Democrats aren't proud. They are a party of hatred and victims. Little do they know that the Democratic platform will not make them happier. If they want a better life, they should become Republican.

Not necessarily Republican, just not the current iteration of the Democrats.

 

[oagboghi2]

Usually the people who are proud of shit they had nothing to do with, have nothing else to be proud of. It's grasping for straws. Grasping for something to give them some sort of comfort within themselves. It's pretty much a gigantic sign of low self confidence/self esteem.

And I love valentines day. My boyfriend buys me stuff.

This is type of nihilistic shit I used to hear in high school. When people say they are proud of their country, community, whatever, it's not about literally loving the ground beneath you. Most people see themselves as a contributing part of the community, whether that's by volunteering, having a connection to the armed forces, running a small business, whatever. They see themselves as adding to it and making it better, and in whatever small or large a way.

Now maybe you don't contribute to the community around you, and therefore have no attachment to anything, that's fine but that is your choice. A lot of people feel differently

 

[5secondrulesucks]

This is type of nihilistic shit I used to hear in high school. When people say they are proud of their country, community, whatever, it's not about literally loving the ground beneath you. Most people see themselves as a contributing part of the community, whether that's by volunteering, having a connection to the armed forces, running a small business, whatever. They see themselves as adding to it and making it better, and in whatever small or large a way.

Now maybe you don't contribute to the community around you, and therefore have no attachment to anything, that's fine but that is your choice. A lot of people feel differently

its definitely not nihilistic. i will even say i dont personally take pride in that shit at all either but you can see where people get weird when someone does. it has nothing to do with them actually having pride or not its most likely a personal issue. people can find pride or joy from any aspect of life but you got to see when people dont like what other people do. it all comes down to basically they dont personally like it.

 

[BLAUcopter]

I think if people concentrated on the positives instead of the negatives with literally every topic or question posed these days the world would be a much better place.

 

[Douche McBaggins The 3rd]

I'd be more proud to be an American if Silicon Valley started making their chips in California again and I could get some reliable Semiconductors rather than made in China shit. Chinese TV? Dead. Samsung North Korean TV Dead. Chinese Laptop? Junk in two years. Japanese television from seven years ago? STILL FINE. American built laptops that are from the 90s? Still alive. Xbox 360? 90% dead.

 

[It's Jeff]

US Children are nearly forced to say the pledge of allegiance at school to the flag every single school day. You can't say that isn't nationalist brainwashing.

Maybe? When I was teaching it was completely optional and something the students would just sort of mumble grudgingly first thing in the morning in a place they don't want to be. Nationalist brainwashing is a stretch. Thinking realistically, what amount of nationalism do you think comes from it?

I argue it's unnecessary and done for tradition's sake, but it's a D- for subversive brainwashing.

 

[Greedings]

My argument was that taking claim for an accomplishment that your ancestors accomplished is dumb.

Which is a silly argument. No one is saying (ok, maybe some are, but not the majority) that they are taking credit for what others did, more the fact that they have a shared history with them, and they are proud of such accomplishments and their countrymen.

Pride isn't necessarily taking credit for something, it's just a nice feeling that comes with seeing a success, more usually associated with being related or linked to someone in some capacity.

Again, my example of my wife, I'm proud of her achievements. I am not taking credit for them. That'd be ridiculous.

 

[Robot Carnival]

I'm an immigrant who lived in the States for more than 20 years. for the most part I'm still proud of being the citizen of this great country, despite all it's flaws. however, I definitely won't say I'm extremely proud of our country right now. from the joke of a leader, to the controlling party, to all the ignorant people who increasingly show their ugly self. we could be so much better. hell, we were the country that led the space exploration and extended a helping hand to those in need. it's a shame that we allow things to get as bad as it is in terms of political climate and ethics.

however, I believe that we will recover from this. it will take a long time, maybe decades, to undo the damages we witness in this last 2 years, but I'm confident we will get back up again together as a whole.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yes actual people hate the country, but for some reason they won't leave.

Is it possible that they don't hate the country itself, but they hate some of the things that happen within the country?

 

[mckmas8808]

Maybe? When I was teaching it was completely optional and something the students would just sort of mumble grudgingly first thing in the morning in a place they don't want to be. Nationalist brainwashing is a stretch. Thinking realistically, what amount of nationalism do you think comes from it?

I argue it's unnecessary and done for tradition's sake, but it's a D- for subversive brainwashing.

Can anybody in here understand how stupid and terrible it is to make or push kids to say the pledge of allegiance in an elementary school? How can anyone be proud of that?

 

[It's Jeff]

Can anybody in here understand how stupid and terrible it is to make or push kids to say the pledge of allegiance in an elementary school? How can anyone be proud of that?

Eh, given the choice I wouldn't keep it around. I understand why it's there. Some kind of unifying activity first thing in the morning that's more effective than flicking the lights on and off that settles the students down.

I won't shed any tears for it. It's a great pledge for joining the uniformed services but little else.

 

[oagboghi2]

Is it possible that they don't hate the country itself, but they hate some of the things that happen within the country?

Is this the part where you lecture us that America is a white supremacist patriarchy, with retrograde traditions, and a culture that is full of toxic masculinity, blah blah blah?

Becuase we've heard it before.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Can anybody in here understand how stupid and terrible it is to make or push kids to say the pledge of allegiance in an elementary school? How can anyone be proud of that?

"Stupid" and "terrible"? It is a harmless little chant that kids do in the morning. It isn't going to create nationalistic alt-right neo-nazis. You are making it to be a far more terrible thing than it is.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Is this the part where you lecture us that America is a white supremacist patriarchy, with retrograde traditions, and a culture that is full of toxic masculinity, blah blah blah?

Becuase we've heard it before.

And you gon keep hearing it too.

 

[oagboghi2]

And you gon keep hearing it too.

I know. You guys have literally nothing else.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I know. You guys have literally nothing else.

I literally have plenty more.

But this revolutionary work is yet to be finished.

 

[Papa]

I literally have plenty more.

But this revolutionary work is yet to be finished.

Good lord, you’re filling your head with shit. Put those down and go read a book on economics or maths. You’re training yourself in how to be a career activist. If you choose to do something that makes no money, you don’t get to complain about not having any money.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Good lord, you’re filling your head with ****. Put those down and go read a book on economics or maths. You’re training yourself in how to be a career activist. If you choose to do something that makes no money, you don’t get to complain about not having any money.

*Scholar, actually. The average American hardly reads, let alone peer-reviewed texts like the New Jim Crow, or Afrofuturism.

#Humanities

Money is the least of my problems. The activism part is done at my pleasure.

 

[Papa]

*Scholar, actually. The average American hardly reads, let alone peer-reviewed texts like the New Jim Crow, or Afrofuturism.

#Humanities

Money is the least of my problems. The activism part is done at my pleasure.

That is no true scholarship. And peer review is meaningless when your peers are all stakeholders in the same pseudoscience.

 

[Greedings]

Peer review in the humanities is laughable.

 

[Cato]

What a horrible click bait poll. Are you "EXTREMELY proud to be an American"? I'm absolutely proud to be an American.

And you should be. Everyone should be proud of their country, unless your country is a totalitarian communist shithole like Venezuela. It is ok to be ashamed of Venezuela.
I am not murikan but I think you SHOULD be proud of murica. Lived there for 5 years. It is a great place. Loved it.
Millennials there don't know how good they have it.

 

[Cato]

And when it comes to America, everyone should be proud of America. It is the free-est most equal and most successful concept in human history.
America is the pinnacle of human culture and development.

 

[Happy1996]

It is the free-est most equal and most successful concept in human history.

Indian reservations totally agree with you.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I literally have plenty more.

But this revolutionary work is yet to be finished.

My man, but don't forget:

 

[Papa]

Indian reservations totally agree with you.

Are they not free to leave?

 

[Vicetrailia]

Are they not free to leave?

Prosperity is built on property rights, owning/buying/selling land and building equity. Need tribal and private ownership of said land, with special regulation to ensure that the people get a piece. One cannot buy or sell reservation land. 78% of Native Americans live away from reservations, but that doesn't just fix everything.

 

[Happy1996]

Are they not free to leave?

They can go wherever they want but is that ok that Native Americans live in reservations?

 

[mckmas8808]

Is this the part where you lecture us that America is a white supremacist patriarchy, with retrograde traditions, and a culture that is full of toxic masculinity, blah blah blah?

Becuase we've heard it before.

And would you disagree considering the history of said nation and the trajectory of how things have gone over the last 400 years?

"Stupid" and "terrible"? It is a harmless little chant that kids do in the morning. It isn't going to create nationalistic alt-right neo-nazis. You are making it to be a far more terrible thing than it is.

Harmless chant? If it's so harmless have some teachers tried to force kids to say it when they have politely stayed seated and wanted no parts of it? And if these chants are so harmless, do you want to explain why the Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem turned into a huge mess nationally?

 

[Dr. Claus]

And would you disagree considering the history of said nation and the trajectory of how things have gone over the last 400 years?



Harmless chant? If it's so harmless have some teachers tried to force kids to say it when they have politely stayed seated and wanted no parts of it? And if these chants are so harmless, do you want to explain why the Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem turned into a huge mess nationally?

You mean a student is being told to do something that the rest of the class is doing? If I didn't want to finger paint or sing in music class, I would be reprimanded and told to do it regardless. Also Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING (capital for emphasis) than a child singing the Pledge of Allegiance. You know that.

 

[diablos991]

I literally have plenty more.

But this revolutionary work is yet to be finished.

Aren’t you extremely proud to be part of a nation where texts like those are readily available to own, read, and discuss without repercussions.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

That is no true scholarship. And peer review is meaningless when your peers are all stakeholders in the same pseudoscience.

Now that I know you're an anti-intellectual pundit, goodbye.

University Press/vetted by experts in the field or GTF0.

 

[Dr. Claus]

*Scholar, actually. The average American hardly reads, let alone peer-reviewed texts like the New Jim Crow, or Afrofuturism.

#Humanities

Money is the least of my problems. The activism part is done at my pleasure.

If you are a scholar, then I am the King of the Pirates.

Where is my straw hat?

 

[llien]

Is Social Science considered to be part of "humanities"?

 

[Phoenix RISING]

Aren’t you extremely proud to be part of a nation where texts like those are readily available to own, read, and discuss without repercussions.

The same nation where a federal judge just said that literacy is not a fundamental right?

FOH.

 

[Harksteed]

Overwatch is overrated anyway

 

[mckmas8808]

You mean a student is being told to do something that the rest of the class is doing? If I didn't want to finger paint or sing in music class, I would be reprimanded and told to do it regardless. Also Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING (capital for emphasis) than a child singing the Pledge of Allegiance. You know that.

No I don't know that. How are they different? What if I don't want to pledge my "alleigiance" to the country? Why are you comparing a class assignment to something that's not a class assignment? It's not needed to pass the class, so why force a kid to do it?