Syph Medwes
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I'm excited for Fez but this kind of lessens that. A dick thing to say.
I share the same sentiments. Pretty unprofessional thing to say but I'll still give his game a try.
I'm excited for Fez but this kind of lessens that. A dick thing to say.
Why is it that you guys can talk smack about him but he can't talk smack about japanese games?
Someone asked him a direct question and he gave his opinion on it. End of story.
Hey Phil Fish what do you think of Japanese games?
I think japanese games suck.
OH NO YOU BAD MAN NO CLASS LEWZAR
Hey Neogaf what do you think of Phil Fish?
I think Phil Fish sucks.
RIGHT ON BRA HIGH FIVEZ
Why is it that you guys can talk smack about him but he can't talk smack about japanese games?
Someone asked him a direct question and he gave his opinion on it. End of story.
Hey Phil Fish what do you think of Japanese games?
I think japanese games suck.
OH NO YOU BAD MAN NO CLASS LEWZAR
Hey Neogaf what do you think of Phil Fish?
I think Phil Fish sucks.
RIGHT ON BRA HIGH FIVEZ
It's okay though, he makes indie games. If it doesn't star a cute little bird or a candy-eating monster, he'll be lucky to sell a thousand copies.
More and more, I am convinced that gaming "journalism" is in dire need of an enema.
I wouldn't be content with just saying "buh-bye" to certain outlets.. I'd want to see something more professional and balanced take their place. I don't want it all focused on eastern gaming, and I don't want the dudebro tunnelvision that we see so often.
If a Japanese developer insulted the Western games development saying that they suck just because they are all grey-brown FPS war games, will you be willing to defend such ignorance?
I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Times have changed. Although I think he's doing the title a disservice by being exclusively on 360.
If he's a genius, then Robert Pelloni is an evil mastermind... except that no one remembers who Robert is, but people will know who Fil Phish is for a few years.Sad or not, the "free marketing" thing is real. Fez will sell a few more copies even because of this thread.
I'm starting to think Fish is a marketing genius.
You can have an opinion that can be challenging without acting like a fourteen-year old internet brat. :/
Why is it that you guys can talk smack about him but he can't talk smack about japanese games?
Someone asked him a direct question and he gave his opinion on it. End of story.
Hey Phil Fish what do you think of Japanese games?
I think japanese games suck.
OH NO YOU BAD MAN NO CLASS LEWZAR
Hey Neogaf what do you think of Phil Fish?
I think Phil Fish sucks.
RIGHT ON BRA HIGH FIVEZ
Why is it that you guys can talk smack about him but he can't talk smack about japanese games?
Why is it that you guys can talk smack about him but he can't talk smack about japanese games?
Someone asked him a direct question and he gave his opinion on it. End of story.
Hey Phil Fish what do you think of Japanese games?
I think japanese games suck.
OH NO YOU BAD MAN NO CLASS LEWZAR
Hey Neogaf what do you think of Phil Fish?
I think Phil Fish sucks.
RIGHT ON BRA HIGH FIVEZ
All this attention is just "mission accomplished" for him
Uh, lol? Fez will break 100k easily.It's okay though, he makes indie games. If it doesn't star a cute little bird or a candy-eating monster, he'll be lucky to sell a thousand copies. Between the massive AAA releases and the established casual brands, he'll have a difficult time regardless. Enjoy the fame.
Uh, lol? Fez will break 100k easily.
I'd rather play Vanquish, Mario or Cave Story than Fez.
Who the fuck would cheer that guy on? Internet=Large crowds that day apparently...
You know, I hate responding to bait... but there is literally one way to perceive his comment about "HEY THERE'S A 36 PAGE THREAD ABOUT ME ON NEOGAF." Egotistical. It's either, "oh, look at these little children unable to understand the truth of my comments, " or it's "I'm so interesting they're talking about me this much!"
My issue with him is that he's an ass and he's incredibly uninteresting, and his game looks nice but far from the groundbreaking work that it is inexplicably positioned as. Does he drink with the right people? What makes Fez and Phil Fish so fucking important?
even with Microsoft paying him off for exclusivity
*Even if it had worked for the majority of native English speakers, the Japanese guy would've never gotten it, unfortunately. You could tell he was having some trouble just asking the question. Man, he walked away looking so sad and dejected. I felt really bad for him. Like, really, really bad. He totally did not deserve that. I kind of feel sick just thinking about it. That poor guy.
Yes, because criticising a guy for being a tactless asshole on an internet forum is the same thing as being a tactless asshole in public and embarrassing a polite audience member. Even if one thinks his opinion is reasonable (and not a gross generalisation that a person in his position shouldn't be promoting), his behaviour was still way out of line.
Or "man, these people have no fucking life. Move on" in which case he would be right.You know, I hate responding to bait... but there is literally one way to perceive his comment about "HEY THERE'S A 36 PAGE THREAD ABOUT ME ON NEOGAF." Egotistical. It's either, "oh, look at these little children unable to understand the truth of my comments, " or it's "I'm so interesting they're talking about me this much!"
Yes, because that's the truth.If a Japanese developer insulted the Western games development saying that they suck just because they are all grey-brown FPS war games, will you be willing to defend such ignorance?
*Even if it had worked for the majority of native English speakers, the Japanese guy would've never gotten it, unfortunately. You could tell he was having some trouble just asking the question. Man, he walked away looking so sad and dejected. I felt really bad for him. Like, really, really bad. He totally did not deserve that. I kind of feel sick just thinking about it. That poor guy.
Couldn't care less what he said, how he said it, or what he stands for. Make a good game and I'll play it. Make a bad game and I'll avoid it. If giving a shit about the personality flaws of people providing my entertainment mattered, I probably wouldnt watch many movies, listen to much music, or read many books.
Yes, because that's the truth.
His Indie game better be amazing for strong comments like that.
I never even heard of this game or him. That was a very unprofessional thing to say even if you hate Japanese games. Apparently he has not played to many of them because the worst Japanese games are still better than those overrated.........let me back off on this one before I get started on this again. Any country that EXCELS in all types of games for many years and genres is awesome to me. His Indie game better be amazing for strong comments like that.
There's nothing wrong with people criticising him here, and doing so doesn't make one an ass. Although trolling his Twitter and dragging this thing on for days I agree is juvenile and tiresome.Why can't it be. You're still being an ass.
Phil said something wrong. Okay don't buy his game? Trolling his twitter doesn't solve anything, and japan doesn't need anyone to defend their honor.
He was at public media event, which I would consider a professional environment. He lacked absolutely no professionalism whatsoever. So basically you're saying that random internet posters on a random forum are held up to the same standards as an actual game developer in a professional environment? I'm not sure how the criticism he is receiving from people makes them an ass. All anyone is doing is pointing out that what he did was wrong.Why can't it be. You're still being an ass.
He said that Japanese games suck. Not sure how it can be interpreted any other way, whether it was intentional or not.He doesn't think Japanese games are all that bad though. He thinks Japanese games are usually aesthetically better than their Western counterparts.
I don't know if I'd call it tiresome. This is an internet forum and people are just looking for things to read. All I do on gaf is refresh the page and look for interesting threads to scroll through. Talking about this gives me something to read, which I can appreciate.There's nothing wrong with people criticising him here, and doing so doesn't make one an ass. Although trolling his Twitter and dragging this thing on for days I agree is juvenile and tiresome.
He was at public media event, which I would consider a professional environment. He lacked absolutely no professionalism whatsoever. So basically you're saying that random internet posters on a random forum are held up to the same standards as an actual game developer in a professional environment? I'm not sure how the criticism he is receiving from people makes them an ass. All anyone is doing is pointing out that what he did was wrong.
He said that Japanese games suck. Not sure how it can be interpreted any other way, whether it was intentional or not.
I don't know if I'd call it tiresome. This is an internet forum and people are just looking for things to read. All I do on gaf is refresh the page and look for interesting threads to scroll through. Talking about this gives me something to read, which I can appreciate.
Someone posted in this thread, that was at the panel where he said they suck, and according to the poster he went on to explain a bit about what he meant.
I wish we had an exact transcript of what was said so the first post could be updated.
The original statement really wasn't that constructive at all. I can't recall exactly what was said, but it went something like this: "Japanese games suck. Your game design is stuck in a rut." *a couple seconds of silence while the audience derps* "I'M SO SORRY."
Those last three words are a direct quote, FWIW.
This was followed up by Jonathan Blow actually offering a more constructive criticism - that of Japanese developers' horrible tendency to put tutorials in their games, rather than teach the player through clever level design, as used to be the case. Skyward Sword's ridiculous handholding was cited as a very specific instance of tutorials gone wrong and way too long. And then the panel named a few Japanese games they actually like, among which was, I believe, Dark Souls and Street Fighter IV.
Oh well, it doesn't bother me like it originally did but I still think it could have all went down much more professionally on his end.
Absolutely. I don't approve of what he did (although I do think it was fucking hilarious), but I also don't think it's a huge deal (and I've already explained why). Also, it wouldn't be a huge deal if people didn't make it one.
What is this? It's pretty.
games that take five years to develop usually wind up being pretty good.
But will it beat Cave Story, a project by mostly one dude and for free?games that take five years to develop usually wind up being pretty good.
It will beat Cave Story to a bloody pulp.But will it beat Cave Story, a project by mostly one dude and for free?
Dear Esther on PC.