A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
This is what it has turned to.
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Fighting Games Weekly | July 29 - August 4 | Obey your thirst
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If you want to get even more accurate then I would say that DOTA is Virtua Fighter (it came first) and LoL is DoA.
More like a couple of weeks ago I think. To be honest the real launch party starts tomorrow with the International.
SloaneRisette
Member
Fighting games are dead time to eSports.
sixteen-bit
Member
The Fray should be pretty good tonight
Dark Ninja
Member
FGC is dead and buried were moving on
Yeah, but the thing is...DotA doesn't have the basement low entry level skills necessary to play League. There's no courier, no denying, no forests...you can back out anytime back to base, etc. DotA will at least beat out Smite and HoN (ha), but it will play second fiddle to the easiest MOBA to play in terms of population.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh no I was more so referring to how easy it was to pick up and get into not game speed.
SixMachine
Member
I actually would like that, I've been playing it and it's actually pretty well made. Terry and Benimaru are coming, and someone named King who plays similar Ryu is coming. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some adjustments need to be made because they are showing some insane juggles and damage meterless for characters like Terry (there's one match where he basically did close to 50% meterless juggling with crack shoot and got a stun soon afterwards). Though the game is still in a work in progress and some adjustments need to be made but the systems in place are good. One thing I do not like is that 2 button throws are extremely awkward in a KOF like game. This is because throw ranges aren't that long first of all and that alternate guard is still in, which makes it extremely risky to attempt a throw at times, even people who don't know about alt guarding would unintentionally do it and still make you whiff a throw. Some Terry, Benimaru, and King move list videos.
Terry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YARqFfmdhSQ
Benimaru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAKhh0iRsuo
King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi2OhmF99y4#at=66
ipitydatfu
Member
Daigo in the top left.
Twintails is Mago (Mako).
name?
Ragingnight
Member
I highly doubt dota2 will catch on like LoL did. LoL has latched on to different communities. Dota 2 might have a bigger competitive scene in the end, but I highly doubt it will reach the same popularity of LoL in the states.
call_kotaku
Member
Also, RE:Collusion, there's a difference between pandering to outside entities for money and showing disrespect for the community and for competition. Top players purposely ruining grand finals is destructive to the game with or without some pot of esports gold at the end of the rainbow. The bad look isn't people using crass language or behaving like enthusiastic 20 year olds, because that's a genuine representation of the community, but if you choose to insult people for giving a shit then they will stop giving a shit.
Karsticles
Member
You think Street Fighter is harder to get into than Marvel?
Slamtastic
Member
I haven't played XDZW in a long while because connecting to Chinese servers keeps ruining my connections.
When I get a good connection, it's the best netcode in a fighter I've ever experienced, even against people in china, but it can be as bad as you would expect playing a Chinese online game from the Us to be when it gets bad.
If I consistently got the best level of connection quality the game has, I would go in on it more. But that applies to every fighting game, I guess.
(mostly I mentioned it because it has League's business model, and therefore is the future of fighting games)
When I get a good connection, it's the best netcode in a fighter I've ever experienced, even against people in china, but it can be as bad as you would expect playing a Chinese online game from the Us to be when it gets bad.
If I consistently got the best level of connection quality the game has, I would go in on it more. But that applies to every fighting game, I guess.
(mostly I mentioned it because it has League's business model, and therefore is the future of fighting games)
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yikes. I hope things can manage to work out eventually, after this drama has settled. Thanks for the info.
irfaanator
Banned
yea the problem with hon to me was that the new heroes were stupid good aka poor balance , too many effects do it was hard to see anything, but to play compared to lol free to play, and terrible community
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yup, Marvel is better at making you feel awesome sooner than Street Fighter. If someone feels awesome they have more desire to dive deeper into it. SF has a lot of weird strict technicalities
Bobby Roberts
Banned
For me, Marvel's made me feel like I did something amazing faster than Street Fighter did, but Street Fighter is faster at letting me know why & how that amazing thing came out.
If that makes sense.
If that makes sense.
Shouta
Member
Only a sucker works 9-5 unless they're making MaxCPM. aaaaAAAAaaaa
I was under the impression Floe's family was kinda loaded and thus he hadn't been living like he had because of that, not so much the sponsorship deal.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Which if you think about it, sounds like LoL and DotA
Karsticles
Member
Huh. I respectfully disagree.
I do as well. HK->Sweep->DP their face on wakeup? Makes you feel like a genius.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What if Valve made a fighting game
Dark Ninja
Member
Not if you play online or against someone. In Street Fighter you might actually get to land a hit before you die.
SloaneRisette
Member
They would do the free to play stuff right, at the least.
Riposte
Member
It would just be another piece of their turn videogames into bitcoins scheme.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You mean what if Valve hired an existing FG dev team. #kappa
No idea honestly. Found it, still in my history on my phone posted ~2 hours ago, was exactly this:
When I click on it, it doesn't exist anymore. The fact that he deleted it makes this seem bad.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Koop's alive? I thought you went down in the Great SRK GD Forum War that claimed Septimus Prime
Well at least you, Warpticon, and FallingEdge made it out
I had to double check to make sure DocSeuss didn't write this post
Hats to fund EVO prize pot.
I'd immediately go nuts and try and get a commentator's chair on their official tournament series with the million dollar prize pot.
I don't get this argument about one game making you feel more awesome than another. In that regard there is no difference between LoL and DOTA. You can start up DOTA, pick Drow/Sniper and feel good about doing big damage or pick Lion/Lina/Tidehunter and unleash your big ulti that is super easy to use. This is no different than with LoL. It's only when you start to get to the nitty gritty where you begin to see the difference but at the entry level stuff both games are equally flashy.
Now strictly talking which game is easier to get into in terms of grasping the basic mechanics to reach a competent level, Marvel 3 is way harder than AE for your average person. Every person who I have tried to get into either game said they had a much easier time picking up AE than Marvel. They always complain about how hard it is to learn movement, how hard it is to figure out team synergies, how hard it is to know when to call assists and how hard it is to be forced to learn at least 3 characters among 50. This is not even getting into how hard it is to block, react to and counter some of the stuff in the game... it's super scary starting out. Now once you get over that initial hump it starts to trail off when you start to reach intermediate level. After that there's another big gap between intermediate and top level play. Intermediate Marvel is not that special and there in terms of results there is hardly a difference between two players where one is better than the other unlike SF4 where at this level a better player usually always prevails.
Now strictly talking which game is easier to get into in terms of grasping the basic mechanics to reach a competent level, Marvel 3 is way harder than AE for your average person. Every person who I have tried to get into either game said they had a much easier time picking up AE than Marvel. They always complain about how hard it is to learn movement, how hard it is to figure out team synergies, how hard it is to know when to call assists and how hard it is to be forced to learn at least 3 characters among 50. This is not even getting into how hard it is to block, react to and counter some of the stuff in the game... it's super scary starting out. Now once you get over that initial hump it starts to trail off when you start to reach intermediate level. After that there's another big gap between intermediate and top level play. Intermediate Marvel is not that special and there in terms of results there is hardly a difference between two players where one is better than the other unlike SF4 where at this level a better player usually always prevails.
It's a difficulty curve thing. SF4 rewards you instantaneously for making good predictions, while Marvel has more of a starting curve.
Karsticles
Member
That's my thinking as well. I have minimal experience in Street Fighter IV, but I can still take rounds off of people (sometimes even matches). Someone new to Marvel won't be able to touch the average Marvel player for months.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Isn't this what we are discussing here? How easy it is to get into a game correlates with its difficulty curve.
Unless I am missing something here.
irfaanator
Banned
I'm down for voice acting. my scripts wouldn't be that Good based on my fanfic that I wrote
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
They whole thing's a really shitty situation for Spooky, they're his friends and he's done a lot to promote them as players yet they can't just pick their characters and play seriously despite how badly the situation's escalated.
It's terrible but I think hat drops would be pretty sick in Fighting Games as somebody who's never spent any money on alternate outfit dlc.
GhostRidah
Member
Every time we get to a low point in the community I can't help but think of that line " Only a real master..." lol
In Marvel, following up on a "read" takes a lot more effort. It gives the game a lot of room for creativity and depth. But it also creates a barrier between two players that results in hugely lopsided matchups. While you also get the same disparity in say, AE, you can also see a good player get a round taken off them once in a while. The bad player knows they're bad, and so just taking that one round off is an enormous piece of positive feedback. Because of that, getting into Marvel is very daunting for a lot of players, because you'll spend a lot of time grinding without any of that positive feedback.
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
#DEAD
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Ragingnight
Member
hey atleast this is all in the FGC thread. Imagine if it was posted on Kotaku or has its own thread on gaf.