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[Stone Ocean]

I have a theory.

Nomura = Nomura
Q.E.D.

Nomura is Chico?!

 

[Drexel]

Hope they leave in some of the more bonkers bits of FF7. The don being a horn dog being one.

 

[wmlk]

like so many have already pointed out, if you supposedly loved VII but hated its gameplay, or "shit battle system" something is wrong there.

I didn't think it was shit. The combat was serviceable, but Materia was great. I don't see Materia being replaced here and if I did, I'd be a bit worried. I don't see the combat for the Remake being too great either. If Materia is in, the customization should be where it shines again.

And more than anything, FFVII to me was much more than the combat.

 

[10k]

Holy fuck! That surpasses FFXV in every way. Need this now!

 

[shadow2810]

Hmm light reflection on the sword looks quite distracting.

 

[Yoshichan]

The combet looks like shit. No limit breaks, no materia system probably either. I don't mind real time if the game was meant to be that way, but they could have made it turn based while still keeping real time elements.

What the hell are you even blabbing about?

We see Braver here:

And Big Shot here:

And we know NOTHING about the actual gameplay system yet, so it's extremely silly to even state that this will "not have a materia system probably either".

 

[BlazingDarkness]

like so many have already pointed out, if you supposedly loved VII but hated its gameplay, or "shit battle system" something is wrong there.

Why?
Can you not love something and yet recognise it has flaws?

The point ALL of us are trying to make, is that the combat generally served a purpose to act as a glue for the plot/world, which we love to experience. We didn't necessarily play the game for the battle system, but we played it for everything else, and the battle system was just one part of it - so it's not a terribly big deal if that changes.

 

[Arkeband]

Hmm, Kitase mentions that he can't say that the combat is entirely real-time, but it does have more real-time elements than the original had.

... Turn based confirmed!

 

[Replicant]

Holy SHIT! That was so much better than I could imagined.

 

[Seven Force]

The combet looks like shit. No limit breaks, no materia system probably either. I don't mind real time if the game was meant to be that way, but they could have made it turn based while still keeping real time elements.

...There were Limit Breaks in the trailer. Barret's Big Shot was in the footage, for example.

 

[Niks]

Cant wait to see the rest of the cast.

 

[Rising_Hei]

FF Versus VII Fabula Assets Crisis

??? They are almost totally different, come on, jesus...

I can finally do a Gatsu as Cloud, yay

 

[Nudull]

Hope they leave in some of the more bonkers bits of FF7. The don being a horn dog being one.

We could probably do without the crossdresding jokes, too.

 

[crooked spin]

I came to realize something quite obvious - but we will most likely get to fight Guard Scorpion twice! One time on the bridge (after setting up the bomb, like in the original) and once more on the train (since we clearly see him engage Barret and Cloud in the video as well. X-ATM092 from FFVIII, anyone?).

Maybe the second time will only be a cutscene? This also signifies that Barret won't be in the train with the the small AVALANCHE group when Cloud is 'missing'. UNLESS, of course, Cloud tells Barret to get out of there while he fights the Guard Scorpion alone. In which case everyone gets worried that Clouds gets wiped on the boss and then joins the group with the flip ("Cloud!" "Cloud!!" "Cloud!" "...").

The trailer has some quick, confusing editing; the Scorpion is in the Reactor and not on the train.

 

[Master7]

I also don't understand why some people bring up the Materia system in relation to combat, or why it's a strength of the original combat system that apparently doesn't apply to the new combat system.

You could almost copy-paste VII's system into an ARPG and it'd work very much the same.

I disagree. Awesome materia like 4x cut, Quadra Magic, Sneak Attack, Mimic feel like they lose some value in ARPG combat.

Sounds like youre just describing a limit gauge. More likely it's an atb gauge imo

No, the limit gauge is something else in the trailer. That bar that I (and the poster I quoted) was referring to is the bar under Cloud's name and to the left of the HP, MP, and Limit bar.

Pay close attention to how that left bar (not the Limit bar) increases whenever Cloud attacks, and how they're doing a flashy attack whenever it's full and red.

 

[Bearthgar]

I don't know if I should embrace the tears of salt or ignore them...

I'm so excited!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Everyone I've nostalgia'd out over the game with talks about how much they love the world, music and COMBAT. It may not be important to you, but it definitely was to some people.

I mean, I still enjoy the combat, but the encounters themselves were a big part of that enjoyment. It's still serviceable, but I am completely happy to see something new, too.

 

[NateDrake]

If you haven't purchased FF7 on PS4 but wanted to see and hear the theme that comes with the game for your PS4 home screen, here is the entire musical track and both theme screens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XXhrymh9o&feature=youtu.be

 

[Rebel Leader]

... Turn based confirmed!

I never played the game I'm about to post but

it sounds like valkyria chronicles.

If you haven't purchased FF7 on PS4 but wanted to see and hear the theme, here is the entire musical track and both theme screens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XXhrymh9o&feature=youtu.be

Does it have the good or bad music?

Because I remember something about that when it was released on pc

 

[injurai]

RPGs aren';t just there combat systems, and you can love a game for more than it's combat systems.

Please understand.

FF7 is my favorite FF, but it's combat system is really not anything to right home about.

Deus Ex is also one of my favorite games, but it's gun play is shit.

I love Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines, does it have good gameplay, fuck no.

Precisely. Even in modern times you see this. TW3 is a model rpg, but even it's combat lets some people down, and it certainly doesn't hold a torch to the Souls games.

 

[LTWood12]

Dat' music tho.

Hype as fuck.

 

[Gbraga]

Some of the cutscenes being remade as naughty dog-esque playable setpieces would be nice.

Maybe.

If you haven't purchased FF7 on PS4 but wanted to see and hear the theme, here is the entire musical track and both theme screens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2XXhrymh9o&feature=youtu.be

Wow, thank you! I hope the theme isn't a limited time offer, or at least it goes on sale individually later on. I really want it, just can't right now.

 

[Icyflamez96]

So what do you guys think? Full action? I saw a lot of people thinking it's a hybrid system based on what we saw from the video, but now i'm not sure after further examination.

No, the limit gauge is something else in the trailer. That bar that I (and the poster I quoted) was referring to is the bar under Cloud's name and to the left of the HP, MP, and Limit bar

That's the bar I was referring to.

But yeah I see that now.

 

[MulderYuffie]

I need this so bad!

 

[MrHoot]

like so many have already pointed out, if you supposedly loved VII but hated its gameplay, or "shit battle system" something is wrong there.

Stop misconstructing. There's nothing wrong with the old system, it was just completely fine (and nothing against it. For crying out loud I backed indivisible for that reason) for the time as it offered the best of what the devs wanted (strategic and cinematic fights) but it's mostly the argument that people feel ATB is the be-all-end-all of FF7 and changing the system itself is ruining or changing the game completely (even though combat itself, special moves, limit breaks, swappable character and magic are still here it seems). Especially at this point where we have so little information, it's hyperbolic as hell

 

[Yoshichan]

The trailer has some quick, confusing editing; the Scorpion is in the Reactor and not on the train.

Wow, I've watched the trailer frame by frame and a total of 30+ times already - with full awareness that the video is edited like crazy, but I still managed to fuck up with that. I must be getting tired or something, thanks for covering my fuck-up!

 

[Blastoise]

Wow. Looks like an actual remake! Combat and movement looked fantastic.

 

[flintstryker]

Why?
Can you not love something and yet recognise it has flaws?

The battle system wasn't a flaw though...Anyways I highly doubt people from either side of this argument is going to convince the other so this is largely a pointless endeavor imo. At the very least I will always have DQ..though those fuckers wanted to changed the battle system to an arpg in DQ9 as well glad that blew up in their face

Edit: Hmm it would seems I now understand the difference between me and most people here, I absolutely cannot enjoy a game if I hate the core gameplay system no matter how good everything else is, while others seem to be able to.

 

[Xion86]

So what do you guys think? Full action? I saw a lot of people thinking it's a hybrid system based on what we saw from the video, but now i'm not sure after further examination.

A hybrid system would be lovely and please both sides of opinions (hopefully) although you can't please everyone.

 

[ZzzZombi]

"PS4 debut"? As in, it might come to PC eventually?

 

[Instro]

2D sidescroller with same basic game design. No one said it can't be updated

The update from Metroid to Zero Mission is as significant as what we are seeing here.

 

[Icyflamez96]

RPGs aren';t just there combat systems, and you can love a game for more than it's combat systems.

Please understand.

FF7 is my favorite FF, but it's combat system is really not anything to right home about.

Deus Ex is also one of my favorite games, but it's gun play is shit.

I love Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines, does it have good gameplay, fuck no.

But it's stealth play isn't ;D. Difference there at least is you don't have to play it like a shooter.

 

[Siege.exe]

So what do you guys think? Full action? I saw a lot of people thinking it's a hybrid system based on what we saw from the video, but now i'm not sure after further examination.

I definitely think it's some sort of hybrid. I don't think Barret would be stationary during his attacks or either of them would only be able to damage one enemy at a time if this were actually an ARPG.

 

[Dead_Pixel]

Poor FFXV. If ever the word 'eclipsed' needed redefining, this would be it.

 

[DXLelouch153]

i loved 7s combat but i just want something different
is that a crime?

 

[Alex_Mexico]

This looks too good to be true.

Place your bets. I say 2018 at the earliest.

 

[MarmaladeChainsaw]

Corridors and Kingdom Hearts battle system, pretty much as I expected really. As a fan of the original I have little to no interest in it. I wish Nomura would fuck off with his shitty games and his shitty battle systems. Oh and the voice acting is horrendous and the new Barret doesn't look anything like Barret.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Nonononoooo

 

[JuanLatino]

This Thread is moving so fast


forget this pic xD

 

[Meccanical]

Precisely. Even in modern times you see this. TW3 is a model rpg, but even it's combat lets some people down, and it certainly doesn't hold a torch to the Souls games.

I love all three Witcher games and while I had fun with the combat in each one(even the first), I wouldn't say they were the greatest.

Though I do feel TW3 gets more flak than it deserves.

 

[Jombie]

No mob over it not being turn-based?

 

[DXLelouch153]

This looks too good to be true.

Place your bets. I say 2018 at the earliest.

2017 is the anniversary as Verendus hinted as much

 

[wmlk]

This Thread is moving so fast

That's not an ATB bar. It's a combo bar.

 

[Sou Da]

This Thread is moving so fast

Too fast for you see people debunking that being an ATB bar?

 

[Gbraga]

Poor FFXV. If ever the word 'eclipsed' needed redefining, this would be it.

I'm still very much interested in XV's story, I hope they have something mindblowing to show in March.

Throw all your spoilers at me, Tabata, I'm ready.

This looks too good to be true.

Place your bets. I say 2018 at the earliest.

I wanna say 2017 just by how advanced this looks, but who knows.

 

[Merc_]

Is it possible to like the original battle system and still think that this one could be cool too?

Or is it absolutely necessary that I freak out over 6 seconds of footage for a battle system I know nothing about, but automatically know will be shit compared to the original?

 

[injurai]

So what do you guys think? Full action? I saw a lot of people thinking it's a hybrid system based on what we saw from the video, but now i'm not sure after further examination.



That's the bar I was referring to.

But yeah I see that now.

Kitase said at the conference that it isn't straight action. He said they've brought the former command based system into one with real-time elements.

 

[Lynx_7]

I'm super stoked for this. The only thing I'm slightly worried for now is whether they'll get Midgar to look and feel right. On the original game it has a lot of neon lights, posters, debris and just feels very "handicrafted" and lived in, while the streets they showed in the trailer look a lot more sterile and lifeless. Hopefully that won't be the case on the final product.


As for the battle system, I've just come to accept Final Fantasy is now an action franchise so that didn't come off as a surprise. Shin Megami Tensei, Persona and Dragon Quest are what I'll be looking forward to for turn-based goodness.

 

[Coffee Dog]

The update from Metroid to Zero Mission is as significant as what we are seeing here.

no, it's closer to say super metroid to metroid prime

It's a genre shift.

 

[Meccanical]

But it's stealth play isn't ;D. Difference there at least is you don't have to play it like a shooter.

The stealth play is kind of mediocre too to be honest, largely because the AI is exploitable as hell.

The level design and the feeling of rewarding exploration and emergent gameplay is what makes Deus Ex shine.

Deus Ex is definitely a game that is more than the sum of its parts.