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Final Fantasy VII 15th Anniversary

Yeah, I remember downloading tiny and blurry screenshots and quicktime videos of it on the early internet back then and being amazed...and when the first commercials came on for it in the US, I begged and begged for an OG Playstation for Christmas. I not only got my Playstation and Final Fantasy VII, but a bottle of Brut cologne for some reason...the scent that will always remind me of trudging through the slums of Midgar. 1997 was an awesome year. 15 years ago...geeeeeeez time goes by quick
 
Man squats.
In fact, the entire Honeybee/Don arc.
The slapstick, violence comedy.
The hyper-exaggerated characters, such as Heidegger with their cartoon laughter and demeanor. I mean, fucking Bugenhagen is an eccentric old man on a flying ball. Put that in a Compilation-style FFVII and try to get it to work.
Fucking Cait Sith, man. That he wasn't on the giant robot in AC is telling, and he didn't exactly work at just the cat part either.

I mean, the writing, the way scenes are set out, the scenarios and much of the mini-game gameplay is all based around a chibi-ish artstyle. SNES spritework translated to 3D. If you want to remake it in the contemporary FFVII artstyle, you'd have to re-work so much of it else it'd fall flat on its face. Just look at the vast tonal difference between anything in the Compilation compared to FFVII itself. And those few elements they did keep tonally the same, such as Rude and Reno, were so ridiculously out of place they'd have threatened to de-rail the entire film were it not already a train-wreck from the word go.

And once you lose that tone, that wistfulness, it's not FFVII anymore. It's something else. I didn't fall in love with hyper-androgynous, "I can't save anyone", navel-gazing characters in a colour-less, super-serious world.
This about sums it up.
 
I was 9. lol. I used to go to the Toys R Us and play the bits at the demo station a lot!

But my first time playing it in full was with the PC version, so I was 10 when I finally got to play and beat it.
are you me? i did the exact same thing, having never owned a psx.

while i didn't dislike it, it was pretty meh to me. it was so forgettable to me that i played and beat it a 2nd time thinking i haven't played it yet, at which point i let out a reluctant "whoops."

as for characters, i liked yuffie.
 
I've been wanting to replay this but the only way would be to run an emulator on my iphone4. Does anyone know how this game runs on that? is the framerate legit at all? If its not id rather not even waste my time.
 
GOAT

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Bayonetta's grandma
 
I know, I just like to pretend Aerith's date is the canon one since the emotional impact really isn't there during the other dates. The Barret date is pretty sexy, though.

Aerith's date is the canon one, according to Square.

But so is Cloud sleeping with Tifa

Also, I'm pretty sure you could retain most of the original's humor and wacky characters in an AC-level remake, and have it work. MGS kept getting better graphics, and that didn't stop Kojima from going full-on bonkers as he tends to do.

You would just have to make some adjustments so that such scenes can gel better with the more realistic graphics. And done right, they could create a better experience with less mixed messages.
 
I've actually never had a date with anyone but Aerith. I tend to not be a complete asshole in general in the game, which isn't too hard considering your options are "aloof sort-of asshole" or "complete asshole", so you don't feel compelled to choose the worse option just because you think it fits the character better than altruism.

So if you're not a complete asshole to anyone, just an aloof sort-of-asshole, you always get Aerith anyway. Could never bring myself to be a complete asshole in a game you have to invest tens of hours into.
 
By far my favorite game of all time. The thing I loved most about the game would have to be the music - it always seemed to tug on the appropriate emotion for the scene. I instantly get brought back to Tifa's bar in Sector 7 when I hear her theme play.
 
Aerith's date is the canon one, according to Square.

But so is Cloud sleeping with Tifa

Also, I'm pretty sure you could retain most of the original's humor and wacky characters in an AC-level remake, and have it work. MGS kept getting better graphics, and that didn't stop Kojima from going full-on bonkers as he tends to do.

You would just have to make some adjustments so that such scenes can gel better with the more realistic graphics. And done right, they could create a better experience with less mixed messages.

When did that happen? The spoilered text?
 
The night under the highwind - it apparently happened in one of the options.

I always thought the "evidence" that it happened was kind of reaching. They were very open about Tifa and Cloud's relationship for the entire game, I don't think they would have made something that big so subtle at the end.
 
I always thought the "evidence" that it happened was kind of reaching. They were very open about Tifa and Cloud's relationship for the entire game, I don't think they would have made something that big so subtle at the end.

They made it subtle to avoid censorship or something.
 
I always thought the "evidence" that it happened was kind of reaching. They were very open about Tifa and Cloud's relationship for the entire game, I don't think they would have made something that big so subtle at the end.

I did make sure to say "apparently." :P

I personally don't buy it as intended either and just see it as further fan baiting by Nomura and co to re-ignite the hilarious love triangle debacle.
 
I have never beat this game. Got it on PSN in March of last year, but I played through disc 1 twice before. I'm on disc 3, I think about to get the submarine, but I wanted Omnislash but I hate the Gold Saucer so I just stopped. One day soon I might finally beat this game.
 
Can someone explain to me what the whole Loveless thing is about? I don't remember it being mentioned in VII, and I gave up on Crisis Core (as it was shit).
 
Well, thanks to the SNES Final Fantasy games, FF7 was a game that rivaled Mario 64 amongst my friends in anticipation. From the FF7 demo onward, that anticipation built.

I enjoyed the gritty, dark overtones, the massive amounts of side quests and treasures, and especially the music. For me, the music in this game, like previous FF games, is filled to the brim with emotions and thought provoking nuances.

Fun, good game and I too hope one day it gets a remake.
 
Can someone explain to me what the whole Loveless thing is about? I don't remember it being mentioned in VII, and I gave up on Crisis Core (as it was shit).

There is no "Loveless" (the poem) in FF7, I'm sure. There was a poster in the opening FMV and that's all.

I think the poem works as a prophecy in CCFF7.
 
I have mentioned this before in recent VII threads, but what strikes you as you replay this game, is that it is not the fan servicey anime romp you might imagine after 15 years of fanboyism, Advent Children, the compilation of FFVII, etc....

It is actually a very sad and haunting game. The music is consistently melancholy. The main emotion of the game is not heroic, action bravado... but lament. You truly get the sense of a once beautiful world that has been left ravaged by corporate excess, leaving behind a trail of sad stories....

I'd call it the most emotionally downbeat entry in the series.... which is ironic, because it's long been singled out as the most blunt and mainstream entry in the series (which is mainly a kind of old-school fanboy defense mechanism against VII's army of johnny-come-lately players).
 
There is no "Loveless" (the poem) in FF7, I'm sure. There was a poster in the opening FMV and that's all.

I think the poem works as a prophecy in CCFF7.

No, Loveless is a full-on play in FF7. It's basically FF7 world's Shakespeare/Bible/Nostradamus whatever that everyone has heard about.

Cid mentions it later on in the game.
 
I always thought the "evidence" that it happened was kind of reaching. They were very open about Tifa and Cloud's relationship for the entire game, I don't think they would have made something that big so subtle at the end.

There are two outcomes, based on how many affinity points you have.

First option is a neutral, only partially implied romantic outcome.

Second option adds more romantic text, such as Cloud reiterating his promise to protect Tifa, as well as the "Words aren't the only way to convey your feelings" quote.

Also, "You were listening" is changed to "You were watching?". Which, based on Tifa's more embarrassed reaction, makes it apparent.

Plus there were plans to make the outcome even more risque.

The original depiction of Cloud and Tifa's "moment" under the Highwind before their final battle against Sephiroth was originally far more suggestive: following a fade-out scene, Cloud was to walk out of the airship's Chocobo stable followed shortly by Tifa who would check around as she left, implying that the two had spent the night together. This idea was rejected for being too "extreme" and was replaced by the less risqué conversation scene.

Wonder how many Claeris supporters are left at this point. They even had Aerith herself admit that Tifa is the person who Cloud should spend the rest of his life with during her novel.

Bias aside, I feel the Cloud/Aerith relationship works far better as a doomed romance, while accepting Cloud/Tifa as the final outcome signifies a more happy ending for all parties involved. It just works better from a narrative standpoint.
 
Greatest RPG ever. The only thing that makes Square and Final Fantasy relevant in my eyes. I doubt we'll ever see them put out something as good.
 
I will buy whatever system, pay whatever price, and kill whoever needed to be killed just to play a remade version of this game with today's graphics.
 
I think when people say they want a remake... what they're really saying is they want to experience the same visual/emotional impact that they had in 1997 all over again... but a remake will not do that.
 
My fave FFVII moment is hard to explain. I feel the same as Kagari that I loved the shinra building and finally leaving it and being out there in the overworld. Felt liberating and mysterious and awesome to finally leave depressing ol' midgar. But I say complicated because down the line I realized how well done Midgar was and now it's one of my favourite places in videogames. So well executed. In fact, the reason why I love reaching the outside world for the first time was because Midgar was executed so well.
 
Oh, but we're not finished yet. Before we continue, a few things: fuck Advent Children. Fuck Before Crisis. Fuck Dirge of Cerberus. Fuck Kingdom Hearts II (just for good measure). Fuck that cockteasing PS3 hardware demo that's got the fans clamoring for a full remake. Fuck lunatic Sephiroth fanboys. Fuck lunatic Sephiroth fangirls. Fuck Square Enix for taking SquareSoft's most revered project and blatantly milking it for every last cent they can possibly squeeze out. And if you've ever been involved in a heated arguement with someone about why Cloud/Sephiroth deserves to beat out Mario/Link/L-Block/Mighty Bomb Jack in the latest GameFAQs Character Battle - well, quite frankly, fuck you.

Oh boy, I'm only on the second paragraph and I am in love.
 
Wonder how many Claeris supporters are left at this point. They even had Aerith herself admit that Tifa is the person who Cloud should spend the rest of his life with during her novel.

People will support anything they want regardless of reality.

I mean, there's still people who want to call her "Aeris" almost a decade after the creators say "No, it's really not."

I seriously wonder in 10 years after the remake there'll be some weird fundamentalist group that only views the original messed up translation as canon.
 
There are two outcomes, based on how many affinity points you have.

First option is a neutral, only partially implied romantic outcome.

Second option adds more romantic text, such as Cloud reiterating his promise to protect Tifa, as well as the "Words aren't the only way to convey your feelings" quote.

Also, "You were listening" is changed to "You were watching?". Which, based on Tifa's more embarrassed reaction, makes it apparent.

Plus there were plans to make the outcome even more risque.



Wonder how many Claeris supporters are left at this point. They even had Aerith herself admit that Tifa is the person who Cloud should spend the rest of his life with during her novel.

Bias aside, I feel the Cloud/Aerith relationship works far better as a doomed romance, while accepting Cloud/Tifa as the final outcome signifies a more happy ending for all parties involved. It just works better from a narrative standpoint.
Ugghhh what novel? I never heard of it.
 
There are two outcomes, based on how many affinity points you have.

First option is a neutral, only partially implied romantic outcome.

Second option adds more romantic text, such as Cloud reiterating his promise to protect Tifa, as well as the "Words aren't the only way to convey your feelings" quote.

Also, "You were listening" is changed to "You were watching?". Which, based on Tifa's more embarrassed reaction, makes it apparent.

Plus there were plans to make the outcome even more risque.



Wonder how many Claeris supporters are left at this point. They even had Aerith herself admit that Tifa is the person who Cloud should spend the rest of his life with during her novel.

Bias aside, I feel the Cloud/Aerith relationship works far better as a doomed romance, while accepting Cloud/Tifa as the final outcome signifies a more happy ending for all parties involved. It just works better from a narrative standpoint.

I've read all of that before and still don't think that the conclusion is anything more than speculation. And that type of speculation is the same tone (to me) as the people who say Cloud got raped in the Honeybee Inn. Sure the dialogue isn't explicit, but I think people are reading too much into it.
 
I've read all of that before and still don't think that the conclusion is anything more than speculation. And that type of speculation is the same tone (to me) as the people who say Cloud got raped in the Honeybee Inn. Sure the dialogue isn't explicit, but I think people are reading too much into it.

Dude...if a woman says "Words aren't the only way to show how you feel" and it fades to black and they wake up cuddling, that's a pretty obvious offcamera sex scene.

If you still don't accept that, the creators themselves said they consummated their relationship at that scene in the Ultimania.
 
It's from the "Maiden who Travels the Planet", a novelization written by Benny Matsuyama and published by SE when AC was released.

Which actually is losing canon status with fans, since it was later contradicted by some ACC additions.

I think it's best to think of that one like Last Order, a neat sidestory but doesn't override the big canon sources.
 
Man squats.
In fact, the entire Honeybee/Don arc.
The slapstick, violence comedy.
The hyper-exaggerated characters, such as Heidegger with their cartoon laughter and demeanor. I mean, fucking Bugenhagen is an eccentric old man on a flying ball. Put that in a Compilation-style FFVII and try to get it to work.
Fucking Cait Sith, man. That he wasn't on the giant robot in AC is telling, and he didn't exactly work at just the cat part either.

I mean, the writing, the way scenes are set out, the scenarios and much of the mini-game gameplay is all based around a chibi-ish artstyle. SNES spritework translated to 3D. If you want to remake it in the contemporary FFVII artstyle, you'd have to re-work so much of it else it'd fall flat on its face. Just look at the vast tonal difference between anything in the Compilation compared to FFVII itself. And those few elements they did keep tonally the same, such as Rude and Reno, were so ridiculously out of place they'd have threatened to de-rail the entire film were it not already a train-wreck from the word go.

And once you lose that tone, that wistfulness, it's not FFVII anymore. It's something else. I didn't fall in love with hyper-androgynous, "I can't save anyone", navel-gazing characters in a colour-less, super-serious world.

This guy knows what up. My poor FFVII is in the worst possible position... God, I wish AC wasn't so terrible.
 
Dude...if a woman says "Words aren't the only way to show how you feel" and it fades to black and they wake up cuddling, that's a pretty obvious offcamera sex scene.

That is pretty mature turn for a game that did not venture anywhere close to that type of subject in the rest of the game. And if it truly did happen, why has it not been mentioned at all in any of the FF7 compilation titles? You'd think with a moment that big they'd at least say a couple words about it.

If you still don't accept that, the creators themselves said they consummated their relationship at that scene in the Ultimania.

That's not how I read it. They discussed a more extreme plan but they didn't go through with it. They also had discussions about making Wall Market considerably more risque with Tifa actually whoring herself out to earn her way into the Don's bedroom, but that didn't happen either.
 
Which actually is losing canon status with fans, since it was later contradicted by some ACC additions.

I think it's best to think of that one like Last Order, a neat sidestory but doesn't override the big canon sources.

I don't regard it, or anything else in the compilation for that matter, as canon anyway. Final Fantasy games up until ten, were designed to be self contained stories. Anything elaborated on now is simply retroactive interference.
 
I was so envious of my soon to be stepbrother playing this when I was little and also really confused about how Final Fantasy 2 jumped to 7 so quickly. (had no knowledge of Final Fantasy III back then.)

I actually was hesitant to pick it up because of that reason, thought that if a series went from 2-7 it couldn't be that quick.

Then again, I might've been 11 as well.

Eventually, I caved in and traded in my Nintendo 64. Just so I could have the game. The more I caught of my stepbro playing this, the more I decided I needed it. I think it must've been the cutscenes, and the music.

My party: Cloud/Cid/Vincent
 
Dude...if a woman says "Words aren't the only way to show how you feel" and it fades to black and they wake up cuddling, that's a pretty obvious offcamera sex scene.

If you still don't accept that, the creators themselves said they consummated their relationship at that scene in the Ultimania.

And it's still tastefully done, even with the implication that Barret and company apparently got a sneak peek (or did they stick around for the whole show?).

The Lion King pulled the same stunt (plus the cub at the end pretty much confirmed it), as did The Spirits Within (though that also created a logic hole in that there was no way she'd be pregnant so quickly).

People will support anything they want regardless of reality.

I mean, there's still people who want to call her "Aeris" almost a decade after the creators say "No, it's really not."

I seriously wonder in 10 years after the remake there'll be some weird fundamentalist group that only views the original messed up translation as canon.

People do not like change in any form.

With the graphics as dated as they are as well as the translation issues, I feel Square would have to work extra hard (or put Toriyama in charge) to really screw up a Remake. Even a 3DS version with slightly better visuals would be an improvement.

The 2D FF games still hold up visually, and all they needed was a spruced up localization. FFVII requires a bit more...sure, there are fans of the quirky lego look of the original, but as a predominantly 3D game, I feel it's important to modernize both the characters and setting.

Something I feel most of the Compilation games/movies have done a great job with. Even if you hate the additional new characters or scenarios that have been tossed in, you can't deny the depiction of the world has been both an improvement but also faithful to the original source material.

Purists may complain, but I'll take a modernized FFVII world that doesn't have odd camera angles, bizarre character models, and overly huge CG breasts.

Also, Last Order deserves props for faithfully reproducing Nomura's art style to near flawlessness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdGYaFDPlks&hd=1

I wish they would at least make an anime series.
 
There are no sequels or prequels to this game. There's definitely not a movie about this game either.

*goes crying in a corner to reminiscence the times when Square still made great games*
 
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