BlueTsunami
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DarknessTear said:
:lol
What the hell, SquareEnix is a on a CIA/FBI'esq media blackout rampage.
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FINAL FANTASY XII -- US Demo Preview (1UP)
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What the hell, SquareEnix is a on a CIA/FBI'esq media blackout rampage.
BlueTsunami
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skip said:
Apology accepted
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
Looks like it's shaping up to be Square-Enix's Resident Evil 4...
UltraMarioMan
Member
Sooo if I understand FFXII battles will be (depending on settings) much like in a Tales game?
UltraMarioMan
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Darn. Still an improvement over the older FF's.Himuro said:
Reilly said:
Well, that depends on what the party is for (AF hunting, quests, missions etc.) and even for EXP parties you can get away with dual Red Mages -- but for the most part it's true you need WHM.
I would go as far as saying what made FFXI suck were the job and party ideas themselves. More specifically how non-flexible everything was - you either had certain jobs for a party or you would fail miserably - resulting in hours and hours of waiting for the right job setups.
Ugh. No, no they didn't.Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
If you want to know the basis for a lot of these elements, you need look no further than the MMORPG genre, or mainly just Final Fantasy XI.
Matsuno has said that he wanted to implement certain MMORPG elements into a single-player, story-driven RPG. To achieve this, he basically used FFXI as his template, and worked closely with the FFXI development team during the planning stages -- this is evident when you realize the battle system, aggro schemes, linking schemes, the summon system, and even the Mandragora model were taken from that game. Another element, the Gambit System, was set-up to mimic the actions of real players, and certain job classes.
Obviously, some of these systems have been tweaked to better fit a single-player title. For instance, the battle system has not only been expanded to allow for more depth (as apparent from the write-up), but it's also been heavily tweaked to make the systems more user-friendly. For a few examples: you can now see visible ATB bars between actions, see rings indicating the target area for AOE (Area of Effect) abilities/spells, there are targetting lines that you can toggle on and off to clear up the confusion on who is attacking who, summons are now ticking off a timer instead of your MP, and you can even set things to a "Wait" mode or pause the game entirely to issue commands (this bit being the main, and pretty much only, similarity with KotOR).
Other systems, like the aggro schemes, have even been expanded a bit here. For instance, in FFXI, things were based on your typical PvE (Player vs Enemy) MMO scheme -- monsters would aggro you based on sound, sight, etc. That is still present in FFXII, only Matsuno has added in an EvE (Enemy vs Enemy) scheme -- now, monsters/wildlife will also aggro eachother if they wander into eachother's territories. This is actually something you can use to your favor, as you can let certain enemies just wear eachother down while you stand off in the distance, and then run in and pick them off for the XP/loot.
I could probably ramble about this game all day, and I haven't even gotten my hands on the demo yet... My poor friends next week, they'll never get me to shut up.
Not I. Unlike most people, I actually like variety in my games, and I'd hate for everything to go down one set "visible encounters" & "psuedo real-time combat" path. I like my turn-based battles, dammit, and I like random encounters in certain titles (like Dragon Quest), as well.Zilch said:
But you guys go ahead and continue your crusade against that satanic bitch called variety, in some "Die monster! You have no place in this world!" way. I'm sure it'll work out well.
Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 weren't even going in the same direction, so I don't even know what you're getting at here...SolidSnakex said:
I believe positioning makes a difference with the types of weapons you're using -- ie: you won't be able to attack while you're right on-top of the enemy with a ranged weapon. Outside of that, I can't say I know...birdchili said:
Final Fantasy XI did, what's the surprise?Himuro said:
Um, because it's not like every one of their RPGs, prior to Jade Empire, wasn't mired in D&D conventions... Yeah, ...good luck backing up that claim.Speevy said:
I'm really, really hoping that was a joke...Pellham said:Maybe the brilliance from the Enix side is rubbing off on the Square side.
It's been said that Final Fantasy XII is the story present in the "Final Fantasy" book the kids are reading in FFTA, before getting sucked into Ivalice. Not sure how accurate that is, but it'd be fitting considering the "cross-overs" as you put it.Zilch said:
What? Visible encounters pre-date random ones.Reilly said:
Eh? They're Bunny Moogles, like in FFTA. No Tarutaru variant or influence from what I can see.BlueTsunami said:
Latency? Hell, game actually played rather smoothly on a 28k connection for me... well, minus Lower Jueno, at least.Aurora said:
And what's this about "no JP? u loze!!"? Never encountered that, myself...
Only similarity will be in the AI-controlled allies. Nothing else.UltraMarioMan said:
I don't believe Kawazu has had any part in the actual development of the game.MoxManiac said:
DarknessTear
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I guess Scott ruins another thread. Thanks for pointing the stupid posts out, though. :lol
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Scott said:Ugh. No, no they didn't.
If you want to know the basis for a lot of these elements, you need look no further than the MMORPG genre, or mainly just Final Fantasy XI.
Matsuno has said that he wanted to implement certain MMORPG elements into a single-player, story-driven RPG. To achieve this, he basically used FFXI as his template, and worked closely with the FFXI development team during the planning stages -- this is evident when you realize the battle system, aggro schemes, linking schemes, the summon system, and even the Mandragora model were taken from that game. Another element, the Gambit System, was set-up to mimic the actions of real players, and certain job classes.
Obviously, some of these systems have been tweaked to better fit a single-player title. For instance, the battle system has not only been expanded to allow for more depth (as apparent from the write-up), but it's also been heavily tweaked to make the systems more user-friendly. For a few examples: you can now see visible ATB bars between actions, see rings indicating the target area for AOE (Area of Effect) abilities/spells, there are targetting lines that you can toggle on and off to clear up the confusion on who is attacking who, summons are now ticking off a timer instead of your MP, and you can even set things to a "Wait" mode or pause the game entirely to issue commands (this bit being the main, and pretty much only, similarity with KotOR).
Other systems, like the aggro schemes, have even been expanded a bit here. For instance, in FFXI, things were based on your typical PvE (Player vs Enemy) MMO scheme -- monsters would aggro you based on sound, sight, etc. That is still present in FFXII, only Matsuno has added in an EvE (Enemy vs Enemy) scheme -- now, monsters/wildlife will also aggro eachother if they wander into eachother's territories. This is actually something you can use to your favor, as you can let certain enemies just wear eachother down while you stand off in the distance, and then run in and pick them off for the XP/loot.
I could probably ramble about this game all day, and I haven't even gotten my hands on the demo yet... My poor friends next week, they'll never get me to shut up.
But you guys go ahead and continue your crusade against that satanic bitch called variety, in some "Die monster! You have no place in this world!" way. I'm sure it'll work out well.Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 weren't even going in the same direction, so I don't even know what you're getting at here...I believe positioning makes a difference with the types of weapons you're using -- ie: you won't be able to attack while you're right on-top of the enemy with a ranged weapon. Outside of that, I can't say I know...Final Fantasy XI did, what's the surprise?
And what's this about "no JP? u loze!!"? Never encountered that, myself...Only similarity will be in the AI-controlled allies. Nothing else.I don't believe Kawazu has had any part in the actual development of the game.
Holy shit
Spiritreaver
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Also it seems, though I'm not completely sure, there's also a hate system involved in FFXII as well. I noticed during the seen where the guy and Ifrit (I think?) are fighting a large mob, and the guy seems to not even be looked at, it's just completely swinging away at Ifrit. It's also shown a couple of times where the guy is capable of running away to cast a spell but not have the monster follow as it's too busy going after another character. That alone is just great, random battles are nuisance yes, but never as much as random targetting. If you have any control over who is being targetting in FFXII that should allow for a much more strategic battle system.
Also Scott, you rock.
Also Scott, you rock.
momolicious
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holy moly
DarknessTear
Banned
Watch out, guys. Scott is a level 99 FF fanboy. I know this personally. :lol
DarknessTear
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Deku said:
Barehanded Monk in FFT.
Red Scarlet
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Meh. Oh, I don't have to type much!
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For the '2 attacks' thing, if you are talking about '2 swords', what's Matsuno have to do with that? It was introduced in FF5 as an ability, and was in 2-3 for anyone and Edge in 4.
And they were never called 'Espers' originally, they were 'Illusionary Beasts' or something like that.
Scott said:
ty.
For the '2 attacks' thing, if you are talking about '2 swords', what's Matsuno have to do with that? It was introduced in FF5 as an ability, and was in 2-3 for anyone and Edge in 4.
And they were never called 'Espers' originally, they were 'Illusionary Beasts' or something like that.
Red Scarlet
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St. Patricks Day next year will be really interesting..or a horrible, horrible day.
*flips a coin*
*flips a coin*
Scott said:Hell, game actually played rather smoothly on a 28k connection for me... well, minus Lower Jueno, at least.
And what's this about "no JP? u loze!!"? Never encountered that, myself...
I think it was pretty clear that the latency reference was to the JPN locals having a much lower latency for pulling all of the open-world bosses & purchasing the items that got dropped into shops once daily (crafting and whatnot).
Scott said:Latency? Hell, game actually played rather smoothly on a 28k connection for me... well, minus Lower Jueno, at least.
And what's this about "no JP? u loze!!"? Never encountered that, myself...
1) I was referring to the latency issue between gamers playing from Japan compared to those playing from the US. The Japanese had a clear time advantage regardless of what internet connection you may have had if you lived in the US. This was due to the location of the servers (all in Japan).
2) I meant that in order to fully experience the game you had to either be Japanese or speak the language. All the most skilled players were Japanese, and if you even want to talk about experiencing true end-game FFXI you absolutely had to speak Japanese since only 4 North American Linkshells (out of the thousands all over the servers) even came close to matching the skill and knowledge that the Japanese had. And even if you were one of the few that got into those Linkshells you would still get owned everytime due to the aforementioned latency issue. And let's not even begin to talk about Moderator favouritism.
I'm guessing this is just the 2 area demo from the S-E show last August from those impressions. :\
I mean it's cool and all that it's FFXII. But it's just a couple of dungeons out of context that don't even give you a good idea of the level design or systems beyond the battle system. Can you even pause the game and go to a status menu in this demo (I didn't think you could at the show)?
Back at E3 '04, the FFXII demo had like 6 areas complete with great cutscenes, lots of story, towns, progressive dungeons where you kept moving forward, and I swear you could get a status menu because I thought you could change what magic was equipped and weapons IIRC. I want this demo ;_;
Oh well, 4 months and 5 days remaining.
I mean it's cool and all that it's FFXII. But it's just a couple of dungeons out of context that don't even give you a good idea of the level design or systems beyond the battle system. Can you even pause the game and go to a status menu in this demo (I didn't think you could at the show)?
Back at E3 '04, the FFXII demo had like 6 areas complete with great cutscenes, lots of story, towns, progressive dungeons where you kept moving forward, and I swear you could get a status menu because I thought you could change what magic was equipped and weapons IIRC. I want this demo ;_;
Oh well, 4 months and 5 days remaining.
Aurora said:
I've tried it three times, my longest was having, I think, a level 32 or 33 character. The other two were low twenties.
You need to put time into that game. And while I generally don't like MMORPGs at all, WoW didn't take nearly as long to get into and I played less of that. I don't care what genre of a game it is, if you need to "try" a game for more than 15 hours to "get" it, it's not a very good game.
FFXI did have some nice ideas I thought. They just weren't implemented well.
Greenpanda
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Glad to hear they haven't changed things too much from the original (Matsuno-era) system. Although I enjoy Kawazu's games, I would have been pretty skeptical about any massive change kludged in at the last minute. Plus, I like Matsuno's stuff and I hope we can still see most of what we wanted to do with this title 
Looks great to me. The music sounds like it does retain the Iwata/Sakimoto flavor (a very good thing).
I think the fact that they offer two different types of battle systems should basically please most everybody who was initially worried. I haven't decided which one looks better though.
I think the fact that they offer two different types of battle systems should basically please most everybody who was initially worried. I haven't decided which one looks better though.
Dark Age Iron Savior
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Zilch said:
did you post that from your flying car?
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
Finally, what I wanted. I'm REALLY happy that FFXII is shaping up to be both excellent and a huge progression for the series as a whole. I haven't given a shit about Final Fantasy since FFIX so it'll be nice to return.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
1up ownz! Awesome video preview
TekunoRobby
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Good man Che!chespace said:
brandonh83
Banned
I love the music. The music I love.
The gameplay videos don't give me a Final Fantasy vibe, even with all the returning "elements" such as enemies, items and what-have-you's. However, I must say that since we're on the 12th installment in the "core" line of Final Fantasy titles, this seems to give the franchise a new feel, and a great one at that. Maybe I'll miss the traditional feel, maybe I won't, but this is a step in the right direction for me.
edit: no fucking way, did I just hear... I did. Mine ears do not deceive me. The victory music is from FFVI. Don't know if that's been mentioned yet, but it's the first I've heard of it.
The gameplay videos don't give me a Final Fantasy vibe, even with all the returning "elements" such as enemies, items and what-have-you's. However, I must say that since we're on the 12th installment in the "core" line of Final Fantasy titles, this seems to give the franchise a new feel, and a great one at that. Maybe I'll miss the traditional feel, maybe I won't, but this is a step in the right direction for me.
edit: no fucking way, did I just hear... I did. Mine ears do not deceive me. The victory music is from FFVI. Don't know if that's been mentioned yet, but it's the first I've heard of it.