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[Unknown Soldier]

SE is notoriously bad with sequels though. I'd rather they just move on.

Well neither X-2 nor XIII-2/LR were actually originally planned sequels. They were tacked on after the fact. If they actually plan FFXV with sequels in mind, it won't be nearly as awful as it was with sequels that were obviously added after the fact in the search for more money.

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

Does this mean they cut story elements from the game?
Or maybe the supposed sequels were to revolve around other lore bits and similar.

I thought Nomura meant he thinks there's more that can be said or done with the world/characters of XV, which could lead to sequels rather than that he wanted to split it up, but I'm probably wrong.

 

[Falk]

Had they gone extra miles and written a new story and characters from ground up, Lightning Returns could have been a new IP.

Valkyrie Profile 3

 

[threelights]

I thought Nomura meant he thinks there's more that can be said or done with the world/characters of XV, which could lead to sequels rather than that he wanted to split it up, but I'm probably wrong.

What if Nomura created his own Ivalice? And that's why he never moved the development forward? =O


I'm kidding, but yeah, a sequel using the same world is better than trying to continue the story of the past game (it's what XIII-2 and LR should have done imo).

 

[Falk]

Part of me really still wishes that there was a direct sequel to XIII - Basically it's a civilization set loose on an unfamiliar world, one that is full of relics of a lost civilization and that they previously thought was hell itself.

You kinda saw glimpses of that in XIII-2, but either 1) only a village and an excavation site a couple dozen years later, or 2) centuries in the future.

It's the whole 'new frontier' thing that hooks me in RPGs, really. That's why Grandia was so brilliant, despite having such a simple story at its core.

 

[threelights]

Part of me really still wishes that there was a direct sequel to XIII - Basically it's a civilization set loose on an unfamiliar world, one that is full of relics of a lost civilization and that they previously thought was hell itself.

You kinda saw glimpses of that in XIII-2, but either 1) only a village and an excavation site a couple dozen years later, or 2) centuries in the future.

It's the whole 'new frontier' thing that hooks me in RPGs, really. That's why Grandia was so brilliant, despite having such a simple story at its core.

XIII had one of the best FF settings. If they made the story of XIII-2 focus more on the lore and world of Gran Pulse, that would've been amazing. And LR could be a "thousands of years into the future/past" kind of thing and they would explain how stuff started and whatnot. I would've loved to see that.

 

[Muskieratboi]

So... is there actually a reason for Dog/Cat cam? like, can you use it in the main game as a sort of minigame to explore the environments and collect items for noctis and the crew?

Or is it just Tabata fucking with us to show off the environments?

 

[Dark_castle]

Grandia did one thing better than 99% JRPG out there, that is the greatest sense of adventure. Hell I loved the game and I can't even tell what the whole plot is about. Hopefully FFXV could replicate some of that feeling, with the whole road trip, BBQ, meal at hotel, camping, exploring busy towns and sight seeing.

 

[Servbot24]

So... is there actually a reason for Dog/Cat cam? like, can you use it in the main game as a sort of minigame to explore the environments and collect items for noctis and the crew?

Or is it just Tabata fucking with us to show off the environments?

It's just a fun way to show the environment.

 

[threelights]

So... is there actually a reason for Dog/Cat cam? like, can you use it in the main game as a sort of minigame to explore the environments and collect items for noctis and the crew?

Or is it just Tabata fucking with us to show off the environments?

He's just showing the environments.

This video was made by XPEC even (from Taiwan) because they liked the dog cam.

 

[Falk]

Grandia did one thing better than 99% JRPG out there, that is the greatest sense of adventure. Hell I loved the game and I can't even tell what the whole plot is about. Hopefully FFXV could replicate some of that feeling, with the whole road trip, BBQ, meal at hotel, camping, exploring busy towns and sight seeing.

Hopefully. But Grandia's sense of adventure was pushing past where no one had ever gone before. End of the World captures this the most.

Spoiler

Entire climb before that (lol), everyone getting tired and pissy, and then finally seeing that "holy shit it's NOT the end of the world".

I don't see any RPG really doing this unless striking out into the unknown is the whole concept from the beginning.

Even Tales games, where a visit to the 'other world' is a trope unto itself, doesn't really capture what made Grandia so good.

 

[Plywood]

Hot damn... cold damn rather.

 

[Icyflamez96]

cold damn rather.

lol

 

[Exentryk]

Wan Hazmer's comments:

Dog Cam and Cat Cam… I wonder what’s next! We don’t plan to put these into the game but if you shout loud enough we might consider it What say you?

 

[threelights]

Wan Hazmer's comments:

So, who is Cor Leonis? =P


Anyway, time to start shouting.

 

[Kagari]

So, who is Cor Leonis? =P


Anyway, time to start shouting.

Please no.
We don't need a game dictated by fans.

 

[The Last One]

Guys, I'm still a little confused. We'll still get a new ATR in the 5th?

 

[Kagari]

Guys, I'm still a little confused. We'll still get a new ATR in the 5th?

Yes, it's a follow-up to the stuff they showed at Taipei.

 

[MultiJhonny]

Please no.
We don't need a game dictated by fans.

Yeah I would really not want the dog or cat cam in the actual game..

 

[threelights]

Please no.
We don't need a game dictated by fans.

This is not dictating the game though. It's something that's already done. It would change literally nothing on the game itself.

Guys, I'm still a little confused. We'll still get a new ATR in the 5th?

Yes, probably with the same footage from here though.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Yeah I would really not want the dog or cat cam in the actual game..

Why not exactly?

 

[The Last One]

Yes, it's a follow-up to the stuff they showed at Taipei.

This is not dictating the game though. It's something that's already done. It would change literally nothing on the game itself.


Yes, probably with the same footage from here though.

Thanks, people! At least we'll be able to watch a higher quality of these new videos then.

 

[Exentryk]

So, who is Cor Leonis? =P

The guy in the trunk

 

[Kagari]

This is not dictating the game though. It's something that's already done. It would change literally nothing on the game itself.


Yes, probably with the same footage from here though.

A small group of fans "shouting" for something nonsensical to be added to the game even though it was never planned is dictating should they decide to put it in. I hope they don't.

 

[MissDeviling]

Wan Hazmer's comments:

Would love a tiny section for some kind of animal cam, like playing as Munchie in DQ8.

 

[Necromanti]

Yeah I would really not want the dog or cat cam in the actual game..

What about a Raitoningu cam instead? Maybe they can pull an MGS2 Tanker Incident for the real protagonist.

 

[Icyflamez96]

A small group of fans "shouting" for something nonsensical to be added to the game even though it was never planned is dictating should they decide to put it in. I hope they don't.

Regardless, I don't see how putting that in wouldn't do anything but add to the game? I think it'd be a cool little side feature to have.

 

[threelights]

The guy in the trunk

I was talking about the guy in the comments, but sure =X

Also, totally forgot how awesome that gif looks.

A small group of fans "shouting" for something nonsensical to be added to the game even though it was never planned is dictating should they decide to put it in. I hope they don't.

This is not a part of the game itself though. Shouting for something would be if we shouted at them to include playable party members, or to change the battle system, or to add x minigame. This one is just a joke...

 

[Exentryk]

I don't mind either way if they add it in or not. It'll be more work if they add it in though as they'll have to make sure every nook and cranny looks and works well.

I was talking about the guy in the comments, but sure =X

Yeah, I know. I was trying to dodge the question, and looks like it worked

 

[Kagari]

I was talking about the guy in the comments, but sure =X

Also, totally forgot how awesome that gif looks.


This is not a part of the game itself though. Shouting for something would be if we shouted at them to include playable party members, or to change the battle system, or to add x minigame. This one is just a joke...

I fear what will happen with the demo.

 

[Dark_castle]

A small group of fans "shouting" for something nonsensical to be added to the game even though it was never planned is dictating should they decide to put it in. I hope they don't.

Still, it wouldn't hurt to have these as some sort of secrets/side-quests. Remember that Final Fantasy used to have spells that morph the characters, mostly used to get by certain obstacles in dungeon. And one of my favorite implementation of animal control came from Chrono Cross, in the SS Zelbess bit. So good.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Would love a tiny section for some kind of animal cam, like playing as Munchie in DQ8.

When I first saw the dog cam and with the cat cam hit me head center, all I could think of is Chrono Cross. I might not want a direct control of animals in this game, but it would be fuckin' AWESOME if they did something like that(work it into the actual story) in a future game. That's old school RPG shit that you don't see all to much anymore.

Still, it wouldn't hurt to have these as some sort of secrets/side-quests. Remember that Final Fantasy used to have spells that morph the characters, mostly used to get by certain obstacles in dungeon. And one of my favorite implementation of animal control came from Chrono Cross, in the SS Zelbess bit. So good.

FFIII, in particular, where you had to transform into toads and mini-form to enter various dungeons. Love that kind of thing!

 

[IAmRandom31]

The twist here is Shiva is at the end of that train, blasting them away. You have to summon Ifrit to walk next to you to keep warm as you make your way up the frozen, cracking and crumbling train slowly headed off the cliff

Continuous potions needed for your companions who can not get warmed by Ifrit

Amirite??

 

[ArchedThunder]

If XV is received well they will do sequels to get as much money out of it as possible. Though it would be cool if they instead took the team directly onto a new numbered entry using the same engine and some of the same assets to get it out quicker.

As a side thought, Square had to be working on a game meant to be Final Fantasy XV before Versus became XV, right? If so I wonder what the chances are that that game is still alive and if we'll see it shortly(ish) after XV as XVI.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I doubt FFXV-2 is ever going to happen, especially with Tabata being against the idea. However I do think what happened to FFVII, could definitely happen to FFXV. Tons of spin-offs of side characters and prequel-esque material.

That's where we'll see tons of asset reuse. And judging by how amazing this game looks, I really don't mind.

 

[MultiJhonny]

Why not exactly?

I am not sure exactly. I mean it is funny and cute, but I just don't see a need for it in the full game.

 

[MultiJhonny]

What about a Raitoningu cam instead? Maybe they can pull an MGS2 Tanker Incident for the real protagonist.

This made me laugh lol and by Raitoningu you mean Lightning right?

 

[threelights]

Yeah, I know. I was trying to dodge the question, and looks like it worked

Ah, so it was you! You are the trunk-- I mean, Cor.

I fear what will happen with the demo.

Well, THEN we ask for them to not listen to the fans. But it's not like a joke such as the cat cam would transform XV into XIII-2 (also, XIII-2 is not the only time SE took feedback, so it's not automatically bad if they take some)...

 

[Kagari]

Ah, so it was you! You are the trunk-- I mean, Cor.


Well, THEN we ask for them to not listen to the fans. But it's not like a joke such as the cat cam would transform XV into XIII-2 (also, XIII-2 is not the only time SE took feedback, so it's not automatically bad if they take some)...

You can't pick and choose with them. Especially not when Tabata is reading Kotaku comments with Google Translate of all things. Good lord.

 

[Icyflamez96]

I am not sure exactly. I mean it is funny and cute, but I just don't see a need for it in the full game.

I think I kind of get you, because I sort of kind of feel that way too, but my feelings of "well what harm could it do? It's just a fun little side distraction that could only give me more to do" outweigh it

It'd be cool if they added hidden collectibles/items around the city that only the cats cats get to.

 

[threelights]

You can't pick and choose with them. Especially not when Tabata is reading Kotaku comments with Google Translate of all things. Good lord.

Better than passing them through PR filter, wouldn't you say?

We don't know how much feedback Tabata takes, for Type-0 HD he took all the right ones (camera, not losing the costumes and multiplayer stuff), he reads Kotaku, doesn't mean he implements stuff they say (and to be fair, they are not much different than the stuff you read on NeoGAF).

 

[Craiji]

I would rather they not spend the energy on the frog/dog/cat cam and focus all that on airships!

 

[MultiJhonny]

I think I kind of get you, because I sort of kind of feel that way too, but my feelings of "well what harm could it do? It's just a fun little side distraction that could only give me more to do" outweigh it

Yeah that is true. I mean as a nice little mini-game that would be cool, I just hope that's as far as it goes if it is implemented in the actual game.

 

[CrimsonCrescendo]

On the sequel talk: I might be in the minority here, but I'd rather they plan out sequels while making the first game if only because there is a better chance that when they make a sequel, there is a better chance that the transition into the sequel isn't a cluster fuck like from XIII to XIII-2 and LR.

 

[Seven Force]

I could think of far worse things to incorporate than something that would probably amount to a harmless little easter egg.

I get not wanting them to waste time on fan feedback like that, but something like that seems relatively harmless, and I can't imagine that implementing it would intrude on the dev cycle for the game.

 

[MissDeviling]

Yeah that is true. I mean as a nice little mini-game that would be cool, I just hope that's as far as it goes if it is implemented in the actual game.

Uhh, I don't think they'd go any further than that.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Uhh, I don't think they'd go any further than that.

 

[Kagari]

Better than passing them through PR filter, wouldn't you say?

We don't know how much feedback Tabata takes, for Type-0 HD he took all the right ones (camera, not losing the costumes and multiplayer stuff), he reads Kotaku, doesn't mean he implements stuff they say (and to be fair, they are not much different than the stuff you read on NeoGAF).

They already changed the demo away from the car stuff despite hyping it up quite a bit because of "feedback." I'm highly skeptical now.

 

[MultiJhonny]

Uhh, I don't think they'd go any further than that.

Yeah I dont think it would either lol

 

[threelights]

They already changed the demo away from the car stuff despite hyping it up quite a bit because of "feedback." I'm highly skeptical now.

They changed the content of a demo, not the content of the game. I'm pretty sure they would get shit for the rest of the development cycle if they didn't include battles and just put driving.

It's not like everyone is Toriyama there...