Himynameischris
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Damn I have a lot to catch up....last I remember is when the sentinel almost destroyed utopia.
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I never really got the militarized teens argument, given how much awful shit we've seen kids suffer through for the last 30 years. By Wolverine's rationale, the original New Mutants shouldn't have existed. As much as these kids were just X-Men in training, they went through some really rough shit.
The reality of it is that these kids belong to an endangered species, and some of them are way more able to defend themselves and their friends than most adult mutants.
Still, Aaron's WatXM was fantastic. The kind of X-book we're missing now (Extraordinary doesn't hit that mark).
The reality of it is that these kids belong to an endangered species, and some of them are way more able to defend themselves and their friends than most adult mutants.
Still, Aaron's WatXM was fantastic. The kind of X-book we're missing now (Extraordinary doesn't hit that mark).
You mean when they were in Utopia or Xavier's original school? Because where Cyclops took Utopia and where Wolverine went with the Jean Grey school felt very different. Cyclops was all about putting kids on the front lines while Wolverine was trying to avoid it as much as possible. The fact that it's often unavoidable doesn't change anything for me. It's not like Wolverine ran the school under the pretense that the kids wouldn't get loads of combat training. I still think that all the students at Cyclops' Xavier School would have been better off at the Jean Grey School.
This, please this. I love the X-Men concept but they have been run into the damn ground, its time for a fresh start.
This will explain what happened after Secret Wars & before EXM. If I recall, a good number of the deaths in Secret Wars were undone.
Emperor_EL
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I didn't read WatXM(cuz fuck Wolverine). Was there any sort of fallout due to the fact that the Avengers attacked his school during AvX?
Were they undone or were they just replaced with identical versions made by Reed and his God powers? The ending of Secret Wars makes my head hurt...
LordRaptor
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I'd really like to see what they're going to do to put Cyclops squarely in the wrong to the extent nobody sides with him, because "you killed someone while possessed by an alien force" didn't cut it.
Hopefully something better written than a lecture about myspace and nascar, anyway.
Hopefully something better written than a lecture about myspace and nascar, anyway.
MHWilliams
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This is what I keep saying!
Incorrect. The Schism was based on two situations:
- Idie killing terrorists
- Cyclops having the Generation Hope crew fighting a Sentinel
In both cases, there were veteran X-Men there doing the fighting, until they were incapacitated. Then the students had to step in to defend themselves. How is that any different?
Post AVX Cyclops was a different game that had little to do with what led to Schism.
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It's functionally the same. But yeah, if everyone was restored, there's no reason to think Cyclops wasn't as well post-Secret Wars. I don't think being a raft survivor made his death more permanent than anyone else's.
BKatastrophe
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It's dark, but it is exactly what happened to him.
They kind of were originally? I think everyone just wrote it off as Thanos. Especially since the only person they interrogated was Karnak and he committed suicide.
Cyclops is powerful enough to wreck Krakoa (a living island), or at least a Brood-hybrid clone of it, with a single blast.
Inhumans are not a replacement. They aren't. They can't be. The only book they have that actually deals with Inhumans popping up, All-New Inhumans, the most "X-Men" book they have, is getting cancelled. Their best book, quite honestly a good book, is Uncanny Inhumans, which only deals with Inhuman politics. Karnak is its own thing. There aren't any more Inhuman books then there are X-books, and one of the Inhuman books is getting cancelled as is.
The Inhumans will never replace the X-Men.
God I love Whedon's Astonishing.I'd really like to see what they're going to do to put Cyclops squarely in the wrong to the extent nobody sides with him, because "you killed someone while possessed by an alien force" didn't cut it.
Hopefully something better written than a lecture about myspace and nascar, anyway.
And_Gignac
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I hope the inhumans movie fucking flops so this mess can be overturned. 
googleplex
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The Silver
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I hope the inhumans movie fucking flops so this mess can be overturned.
the inhumans aren't replacing any xmen stuff and that movie probably isn't even gonna get made, gonna get mysteriously "delayed" again and again.
No lies detected. I don't know how anyone thinks Scott Jean or hell Jean and anybody was a good relationship.
Duane Cunningham
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Sadly, the question you're asking here is actually its own answer. The world is okay with the Inhumans because they sterilized the mutants.
LucidMomentum
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I'd risk it. Jean is that crazy Ex-GF everyone knows they shouldn't date but can't resist.
Sadly, the question you're asking here is actually its own answer. The world is okay with the Inhumans because they sterilized the mutants.
Yeah it's kind of BS that they just let it all slide.
BKatastrophe
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I hope the inhumans movie fucking flops so this mess can be overturned.
The movie that will probably never happen and was only on the docket because of Ike Perlmutter?
Coriolanus
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not with stark running around he isnt
Even then Maelyne Pryor does it better.
She fucked her genetic son to get back at Cyclops
Coriolanus
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Namor is willing to smash cousins, vaguely humanoid tapeworms, and fishes.
tony can't compete. is that simple.
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Yeah. Our planet is over 70% oceans and he's smashed everything under the sea.
And he's a gentleman.
He looks like Ramsey Bolton thereI'd really like to see what they're going to do to put Cyclops squarely in the wrong to the extent nobody sides with him, because "you killed someone while possessed by an alien force" didn't cut it.
Hopefully something better written than a lecture about myspace and nascar, anyway.
TestMonkey
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I'm hoping Tempus comes back and Civil War 2 ends up being an elaborate setup.
Dash_Riprock
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kylecoley182
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Ok im lost what happen? I'm so lost
Black Bolt gassed Earth with a terrigen mists bomb- either killing people or turning them into inhumans. In the case of mutants getting the gas, they're sterilized. Scott afaik lashed out against the inhumans for this.
The Inhuman death cloud is just dumb. I refuse to believe that it can't be contained or controlled when people like Storm, Thor, Silver Surfer, and a bunch of super geniuses so smart that we might as well call their achievements magic are all running around the world.
Manufactured bullshit conflict. It also makes BlackBolt out to be an absent-minded genocidal asshole. Have they explained why the cloud behaves differently after the universe was recreated? I don't remember it being a mutant death cloud before Secret Wars. Should we be blaming God Richards for this? Doom was right.
Manufactured bullshit conflict. It also makes BlackBolt out to be an absent-minded genocidal asshole. Have they explained why the cloud behaves differently after the universe was recreated? I don't remember it being a mutant death cloud before Secret Wars. Should we be blaming God Richards for this? Doom was right.
Truth. Doom gives no fucks.
The last time I cared for Cyclops as a character. God he's so badass in Whedon's series.I'd really like to see what they're going to do to put Cyclops squarely in the wrong to the extent nobody sides with him, because "you killed someone while possessed by an alien force" didn't cut it.
Hopefully something better written than a lecture about myspace and nascar, anyway.
IIRC he did it to ensure Inhumans wouldn't be wiped out if Attilan fell to Thanos during Infinity. Not my first choice but...
SOOOOO GOOD. even Logan respects his skills
TheBlackMarvel
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Jean > Emma.
Also the last time the Phoenix wasn't a complete mess. Should have left it alone after Morrison tbh.
Terrigen does do fucked up things to mutants (see Quicksilver for examples.)
MHWilliams
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Terrigen has a long history of doing messed up shit to mutants. Black Bolt didn't care. He put his people first.
Funny considering that Quicksilver isn't even a mutant, anymore (nor is Scarlet Witch). But yeah, Terrigen Mists & mutants don't tend to mix.
Lulz. Cyclops has been the best X-Men character in the last decade. Maybe more.
googleplex
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Bwahaha! No! Emma >>Teenaged Time displaced Jean>>>>>>>>Normal Jean.
Jean was the X-men's Mary sue#1, Everyone became dumber and weaker when ever she entered the room. Emma on the other hand took no shit from anyone, told peopel off when needed, and made Scott a better man.
Parallax
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put him in a spaceship and i bet hed whore himself across the galaxy
Bwahaha! No! Emma >>Teenaged Time displaced Jean>>>>>>>>Normal Jean.
Jean was the X-men's Mary sue#1, Everyone became dumber and weaker when ever she entered the room. Emma on the other hand took no shit from anyone, told peopel off when needed, and made Scott a better man.
teen jean is worse than dead jean
kurt was dead for a piece and he was still better than scott
this is wrong
Terrigen has historically done a lot of fucked up things to a lot of people, humans and mutants alike. Silent War has shown some pretty adverse effects on humans for example. I was led to believe that this batch of inhuman cloud was different from the crystals due to the work of BB, and it pretty much was before ANAD.
BKatastrophe
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Black Bolt wasn't absentminded. He just didn't care. The T-Bomb had been in development since War of Kings, where it was first used. He's just enacting the same plan on a much smaller scale -- one that avoids creating a fissure that slowly destroys all reality. Plus, it's weaponized terrigen, obviously assumed to be different than standard terrigan. On top of that, Banner attempted to use gamma to stop it which fucked with it even more.
The T-Bomb and the aftereffects were a calculated move. Until they figure out a way to get rid of it, then who knows how long it'll stick around. Attilan no longer possesses any terrigen.
The only thing that bothers me is why it hasn't affected humans, but I assume that's due to it needing to be dealt in a concentrated and prolonged exposure.
Yup. Last minute gambit that was used to ensure survival of the race, but also bringing in new Inhumans to help fight AND to activate Thanos' son, Thane. Which worked beautifully.
Speaking of Thane, what happened to him?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Bwahaha! No! Emma >>Teenaged Time displaced Jean>>>>>>>>Normal Jean.
Jean was the X-men's Mary sue#1, Everyone became dumber and weaker when ever she entered the room. Emma on the other hand took no shit from anyone, told peopel off when needed, and made Scott a better man.
I hope to feel this way when I get deeper into there relationship because Jean>Emma is like the truth. If Jean didn't get crazy, there would be no Emma. She was never given the justice she deserved imo
. But Emma is a bad bitch tho, no doubt.
Coriolanus
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Imma assume you're talking about both.
in which case, yes.
Buuut, at that point, one must remember that this is Tony Bangs The Galaxy
an alcoholic human in his 40's that takes a ride everywhere simply lacks the stamina to compete with a dude with superhuman strength that swims 60% of the time and can facetank hulk blows.
Gods, that arc perfectly illustrated the difference between Banner and Pym. Banner simply will not take shit from his lessers.
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