FIA and motorsport is where it's at........GTS soars...FIA certified
https://www.usf2000.com/teams-drivers/current-drivers/igor-fragaWho is the brasilian champion in that photos?
OMG.
+ UK profiles matches with UK sales with little difference.
+ JP profiles matches with JP sales with little difference.
Now some weird dude says the rest of profiles (over 6.1 million) won’t match worldwide sales with little difference.
You see how you say is crazy bullshit?
Profiles at 6.1m means sales are north 5m peharps over 5.5m.
PD next milestone is 90m maybe you will luck if they give anything before that after they sift from shipment to sales report.
Each one more crow.Actually you're wrong on UK sales but that's irrelevant.
Each one more crow.
35 Videogames Gran Turismo: Sport Sony Computer Ent. 484,933 (2017 sales)
https://eraltd.org/news-events/pres...elps-entertainment-outstrip-the-printed-word/
UK profiles created in 2017: 377,161
PS. PP doesn't exists.
There is nothing wrong with the data.so what you're saying is that the UK is over 100K wrong, how is that close? Do you know the average the UK sales for top selling games? Because that's not remotely close and the number is outdated. Only crow that's being eaten i the one served to you.
Meanwhile, you still haven't shown me those NA, German, etc, sales numbers that make up that other several million. Why? Because it doesn't exist. GTS being over 6 million would be more than the sales we can currently get. So either there's many more profiles than players, or you literally have no proof GT is over 6 million, heck over 5 million. You just keep repating things that have nothing to do with sales over and over and continuing to fail.
At end of 2017 UK profiles was 100k lower than it sales in UK.
I gave you all counties profiles lolWhich isn't close.
You also have no sales data for anything, you're whole argument is based on two countries profiles. You don't know the sales data of the other euro countries or NA, otherwise you'd know all those combined still would not lead to 5 million. So where are the other two million sales coming from man? Why are you so scared to show me sales numbers if it's obvious? Why are you only able to give me UK and Japan profiles? thats' not relevant data. Why is no one on any GT forum I can find saying what you're saying?
Sorry man you don't have anything, you're alone, concede. PP will announce 5 million like usual when they hit it or go over.
I give you all counties profiles lol
3rd Crow in a row.
It is close enough to make estimates and you asked about profiles lolProfiles aren't sales. I can translate that for you in your own language if you are having difficulty.
It is close enough to make estimates
Yes UK 2017 gap has more sales than profiles lol learn to read... that goes against everything you tried to say in this thread lolYou have no evidence of this, you've only posted two countries and in the UK the gap is huge. Where is your source on this for Germany? NPD? KOREA? ME? FRANCE? Anything?
You don't have any, at this point you're clearly just going in circles. Heck, again we take the sales we KNOW or can estimate for GTS biggest selling ares it's not even at 5 million. I don't know why you can't just show me where the 6 million is from, this shouldn't be hard since you said it was obvious. (actually you said it likely didn't go over 5.5 million and then changed ti to saying it's over 6 million so you've been inconsistent this entire time honestly.)
Yes UK 2017 gap has more sales than profiles lol learn to read... that goes against everything you tried to say in this thread lol
GTS UK 2017 confirmed sales: ~484k
GTS UK 2017 confirmed profiles: ~377k
Your own comments go against yourself... I’m showing the same solid data since beginning... I don’t need to twist actual data lol
Profiles shows GTS sales are around 5.5m peharps even over that...You continue to prove my point you have no data on other countries and are basing your claim one one country.
You also intentionally ignored the other points of My post, like you thinking 100k for the UK isn't large. You won't address you said earlier GTS likely did NOT sell 5.5 and changed it to it now has sold over 6 million. You also can't give any info for any other country. You also won't answer why I can add up SALES (not profile) totlas and not get 5 million.
Again you don't have any data. Just desperate, and another thing is you're basically almost entirely by yourself on this, near no one GT boards is repeating what you say. So clearling somethings wrong here. The answer is you have nothing.
The graphics in GTS are not technically worse......Pull up any analysis on the two games.....DF, SUPER GT etc....or just watch the games in motion.......A.I is not an area where Forza shines either, there are a million videos online to prove that.......Besides, there are various levels of A.I in GT if you want a bigger challenge in SP mode or various tuning settings you can use to give yourself a greater challenge... However, if you really want a challenge like you're saying, that's what sport mode is for and I'm not talking destruction derby in Forza 7.....Forza generally has better and much more content.
GT has a better driving model and the captures the realistic look better even if the graphics are technically worse.
GT also has a much better online mode due to the penalty system. Forza online is terrible.
However Gt sport has the absolute worst AI and campaign races. Every race is just an overtake challenge where you start from last position against drivers with very little spatial awareness. The first place driver is always super powered and can magically catch up at super speed.
Right now both games are not where they should be imo.
The graphics in GTS are not technically worse......Pull up any analysis on the two games.....DF, SUPER GT etc....or just watch the games in motion.......A.I is not an area where Forza shines either, there are a million videos online to prove that.......Besides, there are various levels of A.I in GT if you want a bigger challenge in SP mode or various tuning settings you can use to give yourself a greater challenge... However, if you really want a challenge like you're saying, that's what sport mode is for and I'm not talking destruction derby in Forza 7.....
Sorry, but the polls don't agree, and also...The graphics in GTS are not technically worse......Pull up any analysis on the two games.....DF, SUPER GT etc....or just watch the games in motion.......A.I is not an area where Forza shines either, there are a million videos online to prove that.......Besides, there are various levels of A.I in GT if you want a bigger challenge in SP mode or various tuning settings you can use to give yourself a greater challenge... However, if you really want a challenge like you're saying, that's what sport mode is for and I'm not talking destruction derby in Forza 7.....
Stop bashing your head into a brick wall. You will be concussed while the wall doesnt move an inch.Sorry, but the polls don't agree, and also...
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Forza generally has better and much more content.
GT has a better driving model and the captures the realistic look better even if the graphics are technically worse.
GT also has a much better online mode due to the penalty system. Forza online is terrible.
Wait, you’re equating the number of profiles that have played GTS to one sale each?Profiles shows GTS sales are around 5.5m peharps even over that...
The only guy nothing is you lol I back up my claims... not bullshit dreams like you create.
I'm comparing actual sales for the countries that reported it with profiles for the same period and extrapoling to worldwide estimates.Wait, you’re equating the number of profiles that have played GTS to one sale each?
But profiles are not an accurate metric to extrapolate with sales.I'm comparing actual sales for the countries that reported it with profiles for the same period and extrapoling to worldwide estimates.
I'm using real sales to extrapolate.But profiles are not an accurate metric to extrapolate with sales.
But profiles are not an accurate metric to extrapolate with sales.
I dont get all this forza online is terrible talk?
Is the PC version cross platform? Im just wondering because my experience with it after around 150 hours or so has been stellar. Really competitive close, fair races. Im not having the experience that the usual suspects are saying I should be having.
The issue is Ethomas is using a very terrible argument for pages now. He only has profile numbers for two countries, UK and Japan, and his argument is that since the sales of those two regions for GTS are "close" to the profile count (ignoring the UK number is over 100k difference) than all other countries must follow the same exacmple and 1 profile is somehow equal to One sales which makes zero sense.
Especially since one person can have multiple profiles. While also saying before that GTS likely didn't hit 5.5 o saying it did over 6. he also is claiming to have sales data but as you and I both know profile numbers aren't sales data.
People can have multiple profiles, and you can buy GTS used as well. So one copy of the game may have both multiple owners, and multiple owners creating multiple profiles. Using profile numbers to determine sales figures is flawed at best. If we used Xbox live account numbers to determine Xbox console sales, things would be looking a lot better for Xbox sales this year.
You ever played iRacing, rFactor or Assetto Corsa? There are many nuances within the genre of 'racing games' and to distuingish from Need for Speed Most Wanted (which is a racing game, true that) from a game like Project CARS, where the term 'simulation' applies. Reminds me of people who say all games are roleplaying games "because you play a role". It doesn't work like that.All driving games are sims, because they simulate driving. None even come close to what it's like to drive a real car.
In other words, they're just games.
Ah, Grand Prix Legends, my legend. Used to play it with a joystick back when it was released. To be accurate here, you have to know how to drive a real F1 from that era, which is totally different. There is no aerodynamical grip like on nowadays Formula cars – only mechanical grip. You have to work with your wheel, and padle input all the way through, and keeping that right torque – right down-shifting before or while braking is crucial. No aero is helping you here. As awesome as Grand Prix Legends is, it is just as brutal. Low-speed grip is a bit off in GPL, but high-speed grip levels are generally very well simulated and accurate, although a bit too twitchy. Tyre modell however is out-dated by today's standards and iRacing and rFactor 2 here are really state-of-the-art. Then again, driving in GPL is like driving a Triumph Spitfire – it's pure fun.Well with the possible exception of Grand prix legends anyway. That game requires you to know how to drive a real F1 car almost to even finish one track.
Sim-wise, when it comes down to the physics, GT and Forza are just as good as the other in most areas. Both simulate somewhat accurate physics in many areas of the vehicle, and both offer believable (not ultra-realistic) vehicle behavior and driving experience. Load change (best simulated in iRacing, followed by ISI sims) in both games feel arcady in many circumstances (as does Project CARS in that regard). When it comes down to a motorsport experience I was very disappointed with Forza 6, and GT6. They cut the endurance mode in GT6 which needs to be in a serious racing game. Forza 6 did offer these.
Also, I found no way in both games to do a qualifying and do other races than those 2 or 3 rounds races where you start from last place or a random position (at least in the first few hours.) I'm used to driving at least 45 minutes, often 90 minutes or more, and I need such long races to feel what is racing about: consistency, lap after lap. Lap-long battles with your enemy, slowly gaining on the runner up lap after lap, or defending your position (un)successfully for ten laps and more. Although both franchise don't have dynamic track surfaces (with road rubbering etc.) that are also influenced by dirt and grass brought from off-track incidents, and by marbles of the tyres. There are also no flat spots on the tyres when locking up under braking. So, both aren't that much of a simulation. When I had to choose between either franchise, as per poll, and it's not only about physics and realism but content too, I'd go for the slightly 'better' Forza.
Ah, Grand Prix Legends, my legend. Used to play it with a joystick back when it was released. To be accurate here, you have to know how to drive a real F1 from that era, which is totally different. There is no aerodynamical grip like on nowadays Formula cars – only mechanical grip. You have to work with your wheel, and padle input all the way through, and keeping that right torque – right down-shifting before or while braking is crucial. No aero is helping you here. As awesome as Grand Prix Legends is, it is just as brutal. Low-speed grip is a bit off in GPL, but high-speed grip levels are generally very well simulated and accurate, although a bit too twitchy. Tyre modell however is out-dated by today's standards and iRacing and rFactor 2 here are really state-of-the-art. Then again, driving in GPL is like driving a Triumph Spitfire – it's pure fun.
How.
Forza and horizon are total douche fests galore in the music and art departments. The drivers even pose like the awful awful rare avatars:
While GT Sport has the best damm UI in any software ever made... it's the perfect screensaver... An hommage to the art cars and landscapes... With coffee piano music...
Again, how.
That's not what the drivers look like at all.Why are their hips cocked to one side?
why you need to pick one game over another? like your badly broke and can have just one console and one game ? why not play them all. i play them all. GT series until GT5 was amazing and real car library, then Forza took it over with hundreds cars all with detailed cockpits and not bad driving, still sometimes i dont care about any of them and i play Horizon because its open world , then after half year i can take GT again and enjoy it, then Forza 7 on laptop because noone needs xbox console anymore if you have PC. which is better ...it depends on stuff... they not sims any of them , sims are on pc and they extremely boring.