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GAF CREATES Contest I : Super Mario Bros. 16bit
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JoshuaJSlone
Member
Most of them look uneditable by normal means in Lunar Magic, but it seems like the Lemmy/Wendy pipe rooms can be modified?Koren said:
There are visual differences beyond Luigi?dark10x said:One other question, is it required that we use All Stars and World? Could we not just use Super Mario World by itself? I don't wish to mix sprites, to be honest, as I don't care for how they look in All Stars plus I only own SMW by itself.
What I mean is, there exists an entirely different set of tiles created specifically for All Stars (in order to match the appearance of the originals). I wanted to make certain that we could simply stick entirely to SMW assets (I'd assume so, but the OP mentions both).
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Point taken. I thought having a variety of resources from All Stars would be nice but I do want this contest to be accessible. It's still early on the contest so I think I'll make a change. How about we all just do Super Mario World US region.
I thought 10 stages was small enough, but I guess not. So I will compromise. How about I change it to an even 8 stages, 2 castles, 2 bosses. Keep in mind the judging will take place over the course of a month and 10 days. 8 stages is not that bad and can be quickly ran through.
jarosh said:
Point taken. I thought having a variety of resources from All Stars would be nice but I do want this contest to be accessible. It's still early on the contest so I think I'll make a change. How about we all just do Super Mario World US region.
handofg0d said:
I thought 10 stages was small enough, but I guess not. So I will compromise. How about I change it to an even 8 stages, 2 castles, 2 bosses. Keep in mind the judging will take place over the course of a month and 10 days. 8 stages is not that bad and can be quickly ran through.
charlequin
Banned
This is a great idea but I want to join the chorus suggesting that 10 levels is way, way, way too much. I'd say, I dunno, three is a good point to get decent participation.
Enk said:
Levels do vary somewhat in size; Star Road 3, anyone? (Or was it 4?). I was leaning towards more shorter levels in my vague masterplan, allowing for each level to be a bit more coherently crafted towards the intended theme. *IF* I complete the project - and I wouldn't stake any money on it since I've got a habit of being waaaay too ambitious! - I'll almost certainly go beyond that cap. And I intend secret levels too!
I'm a fan of text adventures, and there's an annual IFComp for short titles. The criteria for those is quite well thought-out: the game should be winnable in two hours. Judges are expected to play for that length of time and score the games after that period (being quite welcome to go on playing afterwards, naturally). Would switching to a time-based target rather than a size-based target be more appropriate?
The contrary, Star Road 3 is incredibly *short*:
http://vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/SuperMarioWorld-StarWorld-StarWorld3.png
I didn't mean for that to point towards dictating a level size, just that I was wondering if that might mean it's more sensible to look at game length in terms of time-to-play rather than in terms of the number of levels.
http://vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/SuperMarioWorld-StarWorld-StarWorld3.png
I didn't mean for that to point towards dictating a level size, just that I was wondering if that might mean it's more sensible to look at game length in terms of time-to-play rather than in terms of the number of levels.
Stage cap has been altered a bit once again. Limit is now 5-8 stages with a minimum of one castle and one boss. If I can handle 10 stages in a buggy Mega Man editor in 4 days I'm sure 2+ months is plenty of time for at least five stages in the more polished Lunar.
Stages can be as big as the game allows. Go crazy with it!
Yes that includes the castles, but now that the limit has been lowered it's just one castle. But if you're going the 8 stage route then it will be nice to break it up with two castles and two bosses.
Oblivion said:
Stages can be as big as the game allows. Go crazy with it!
BitchTits said:
Yes that includes the castles, but now that the limit has been lowered it's just one castle. But if you're going the 8 stage route then it will be nice to break it up with two castles and two bosses.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Ten levels does seem like a lot. A few years ago I made a stand-alone Mario game and that had 12 levels (I think that's including the "deleted scenes" I included, featuring a number of levels I cut for quality reasons).
And that took me like, two years of on-and-off work.
And that took me like, two years of on-and-off work.
RiskyChris
Banned
I'm not sure I have the heart to go through with 8 levels. Bookmarked for future consideration.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Keep getting a this rom does not have a 0x200 header error.
Zombie James
Banned
bishoptl said:
Excellent.
Shalashaska
Member
I downloaded an editor for SMB 3 but never got around to doing it. Maybe this will get me to try my hand at game editing.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
5-8 seems pretty decent.
Definitely I expect a combined GAF effort from something like this could be disjointed, though, if a fire stage is immediately followed by an ice stage and a forest stage or whatever. Or I'm planning on taking a cue from the original SMW and having some early levels not giving out feathers, so they'd be less demanding if placed near the end of a game. But hey, it will be what it will be.
I don't think that'd be much of a problem. So maybe someone takes a keyhole exit from one of your stages and ends up at one of dark10x's levels that was accessible only by keyhole.mclem said:
Definitely I expect a combined GAF effort from something like this could be disjointed, though, if a fire stage is immediately followed by an ice stage and a forest stage or whatever. Or I'm planning on taking a cue from the original SMW and having some early levels not giving out feathers, so they'd be less demanding if placed near the end of a game. But hey, it will be what it will be.
nincompoop
Banned
So nobody else has garbled sprite graphics? This is just a couple of examples.
I think it might be a problem with my ROM, since I had to hex edit it just to get the editor to recognize it. Can anyone help?
I think it might be a problem with my ROM, since I had to hex edit it just to get the editor to recognize it. Can anyone help?
nincompoop said:
Nothing is wrong. Those sprites are just tileset specific for the most part. ie, go to a ghost house, and the 'Boo Buddies' circle will appear fine. You can rip and customize a lot though, so I'm sure if you REALLY want you could figure out how to put them in another level.
edit: And what I've doen with my toying around today. Nothing fantastic. Just getting my feet wet.
Zombie James
Banned
I've got some fantastic ideas... I have to get this down on paper or something.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Anyone know if theres an option to switch the level to an up and down level?
I don't want the traditional start at the left and head right level.
I don't want the traditional start at the left and head right level.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Is there a level editor like this for Super Ninja Kun?
Thanks again Bish!
It's good to see a lot of people jumping on board already. I can only hope this leads to greater things! Even though I won't be participating in the contest I'll be starting on my own Mario project today as well. I have some ideas on what I want to do but it may be a bit too ambitious.
If anyone has any other suggestions on how to improve the contest feel free to post!
It's good to see a lot of people jumping on board already. I can only hope this leads to greater things! Even though I won't be participating in the contest I'll be starting on my own Mario project today as well. I have some ideas on what I want to do but it may be a bit too ambitious.
If anyone has any other suggestions on how to improve the contest feel free to post!
A few questions:
Is there a way of starting off with a completely blank slate of a level, or do you always have to edit an existing level and 'save as'?
Whenever I add in a pipe, it changes colour depending on where I put it, is this how it should be, or can I choose the colour of pipes?
Lastly, on the level I've been playing around with to get acustomed to the editor, when I load it in an emulator, the bottom of the background is garbled. Could this be a problem with the a) rom, b) background/level itself, c) emulator? (Latest version of ZSNES).
Edit: I think it's a problem with the background actually, since the garbled bg doesn't follow you up when you go higher, it stays at a constant height on the bg throughout the level.
Is there a way of starting off with a completely blank slate of a level, or do you always have to edit an existing level and 'save as'?
Whenever I add in a pipe, it changes colour depending on where I put it, is this how it should be, or can I choose the colour of pipes?
Lastly, on the level I've been playing around with to get acustomed to the editor, when I load it in an emulator, the bottom of the background is garbled. Could this be a problem with the a) rom, b) background/level itself, c) emulator? (Latest version of ZSNES).
Edit: I think it's a problem with the background actually, since the garbled bg doesn't follow you up when you go higher, it stays at a constant height on the bg throughout the level.
xxjuicesxx
Member
The pipe thing happens to me too and I have no idea whats up with that. Pipe starts grey on one screen and once you go high up if you go back down they switch to yellow. They also choose a starting color based on the screen they are in (you can choose to view screen seperations)
I was wondering if there was a way to edit this too.
I was wondering if there was a way to edit this too.
Would the garbled background be this (from the .hlp):
FAQ: Why is there animated tile garbage in my background?
This is most often a result of setting the BG init position too high. The "animated tile garbage" is from data stored just below the BG image. You can change the init BG position in either the main/midway entrance dialog or the secondary entrance dialog, depending on which type of entrance you're using to enter the level.
This problem tends to come up fairly often in vertical levels. Nintendo simply did not design the backgrounds so they can be tiled vertically, and did not really take vertical levels into account when creating the BG init position list. You can try setting layer 2 vertical scrolling to "slow" or "none". Also try changing the screen number of the entrance. If you put the entrance at the top of the level, you can use all except the very bottom screen (0x1B) with scrolling set to slow. Trying to do the same thing by putting the entrance at the bottom gives you far fewer usable screens to work with
Having looked at the editor now, I'm starting to regret my bluster and ambition. Still, never mind, got to be worth a try! Is there any convenient list of which hex codes correspond to which level? At the moment I'm often thinking in terms of "I liked x feature in y level", but when I look for it it's quite hard to convert that into actually finding the level.
FAQ: Why is there animated tile garbage in my background?
This is most often a result of setting the BG init position too high. The "animated tile garbage" is from data stored just below the BG image. You can change the init BG position in either the main/midway entrance dialog or the secondary entrance dialog, depending on which type of entrance you're using to enter the level.
This problem tends to come up fairly often in vertical levels. Nintendo simply did not design the backgrounds so they can be tiled vertically, and did not really take vertical levels into account when creating the BG init position list. You can try setting layer 2 vertical scrolling to "slow" or "none". Also try changing the screen number of the entrance. If you put the entrance at the top of the level, you can use all except the very bottom screen (0x1B) with scrolling set to slow. Trying to do the same thing by putting the entrance at the bottom gives you far fewer usable screens to work with
Having looked at the editor now, I'm starting to regret my bluster and ambition. Still, never mind, got to be worth a try! Is there any convenient list of which hex codes correspond to which level? At the moment I'm often thinking in terms of "I liked x feature in y level", but when I look for it it's quite hard to convert that into actually finding the level.
Zombie James
Banned
I hate how this editor doesn't have an 'undo' option...
Zombie James
Banned
How do you change the background scenery with one from another level?
xxjuicesxx
Member
_leech_ said:
You have to be on the level you want to add the background to then goto Level --> Copy background image and choose the background you want.
Before you need to find what level background you want and enter that into the box.
Pg Up and Down goes between levels for quick viewing. This editor really needs to add a whole bunch of PREVIEW options like for the music and backgrounds and such. I mean really it just expects you to have a bunch of levels and musics memorized?
Zombie James
Banned
xxjuicesxx said:
Thanks for the tip! Unfortunately when I copy the new background over it comes up as a scrambled mess, even if it delete the background before copying. Hmm...
edit: Nevermind, seems to work with some backgrounds and not others.
xxjuicesxx
Member
_leech_ said:
I think you can also save a level as a mwl. and then import it into another level. That's how I got the up and down cave level 109 into 106.
Zombie James
Banned
-PXG- said:
Grab a hex editor and add 512 bytes (0x200 in hex) of padding to the start of the ROM.
edit: Actually, add padding up to 0x1ff. The actual data should start at 0x200.
xxjuicesxx
Member
I'm having some trouble with getting the punch door to get me on the other side of the netting, also I can't quite figure out how to designate which side of the netting coins, enemies and those vine enemies are on.
Any ideas?
Also coins cant go in water? When I add a coin in the area around the coin you can see air. I dunno if that makes sense...
Any ideas?
Also coins cant go in water? When I add a coin in the area around the coin you can see air. I dunno if that makes sense...
Zombie James
Banned
xxjuicesxx said:
I'm trying to avoid that stuff altogether, keeping it old school(ish).