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Games where the final boss is actually the most difficult required boss
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"The Egg" Saga Frontier II.
Fuck this thing
Came to post this bullshit.
Was literally unbeatable for me, because I didn't use a guide to know how to weaken it.
Pop out disc, snap in half, rage quit life for a few hours.
Beyond Good & Evil, Metal Gear Rising, Enter the Gungeon, Dragons Dogma, Bloodborne.
I remember playing MGR back when it came out, got to the Armstrong and couldn't beat him, I stopped trying eventually. It's also worth noting I wasn't a big fan of fast paced action games.
Suddenly this January I decided to replay the whole game again. Mastered the parry ability, learned moves, weapons and all that. Beat all bosses on my first try and same for Armstrong. Maaan, that comeback felt so good. It's like all these years I've been playing other similar games just to git gud and finally kill Armstrong.
I remember playing MGR back when it came out, got to the Armstrong and couldn't beat him, I stopped trying eventually. It's also worth noting I wasn't a big fan of fast paced action games.
Suddenly this January I decided to replay the whole game again. Mastered the parry ability, learned moves, weapons and all that. Beat all bosses on my first try and same for Armstrong. Maaan, that comeback felt so good. It's like all these years I've been playing other similar games just to git gud and finally kill Armstrong.
Oh god, I remember also spending roughly 2 hours on that boss fight, really struggling towards the end. I got Nyx down to the tiniest sliver of health left, one more hit would have finished the boss... The next attack charms one of my healers and they proceed to use Mediarahan on the boss: final boss completely and fully healed. It was late at night, so I was too tired to even be upset. I just turned off the game and didn't touch the game for some time. It was totally demoralizing. I did eventually beat the game though, but seriously, fuck the charm status effect.
CrimsonSquall
Member
The main game nuh uh but oh my goodness yes for the DLC. Kos was impossible even with a companion
Lol what that boss was easy
cj_iwakura
Member
I really hope you mean the Sega CD versions.
Boombloxer
Member
It's one of the best boss fights in the series. ACIT has 2 extreme ones--general Asmos(?), and the optional boss fight that is legit the hardest in the series. But the last few shots and the slo-mo explosion of him dying was worth it.
For me, nothing in KZ2 prepares you for Radec. If there was any doubt about why this motherfucker led the army, you find out immediately that he's the real deal.
And then you play it on the highest difficulty and realize he was holding back.
Not hard, but God of War 3, Zeus is one of my favorite boss fights. Killing the king of the gods should feel like a task, and it was. That said, the variety in God of War 2 is the best in the series.
Vergil on DMD was a bitch. Holy shit.
matrix-cat
Member
Vergil, baybee
Vergil 3 in Devil May Cry 3
Vergil 3 in Devil May Cry 3
For all three of Bloodborne's endings:
,
&
; I thought they were all quite difficult and I wasn't disappointed by any of them.
The Old Hunters DLC final boss:
; this might have been the most difficult boss in the Soulsborne series for me.
Mergo's Wet-Nurse
Gehrman
Moon Presence
The Old Hunters DLC final boss:
Orphan of Kos
InfiniDragon
Member
Final Fantasy 9; Necron.
Uhhhhhh...Ozma is in this game, remember?
That dude was way more real than Necron.
Maybe for the DLC but Moon Presence really wasn't that bad at all.
Oh yeah, I couldn't beat Bowletta as a kid because I didn't grind enough.
PiT's final boss gauntlet was worse, though, and unquestionably way harder than anything else, particularly in the US version. God, what a load of horseshit.
ShockingAlberto
Member
That's not how the word "final" works.
If we're just naming bosses then Bloodstarved Beast is the hardest final boss.
cj_iwakura
Member
He could very well be the final based on choices, and I think it's the only example of the 'true' final boss being much much easier.
So stressful.
This boss was awesome.
So many iconic things going on.
Introduces a new mechanic.
Firing eggs in the background.
A change of tune + pace in music (trying to simulate a guitar band with SNES instruments).
Changing platforms.
Too bad every Yoshi game after this one (outside of Yoshi's Story) has tried to copy it terribly.
We're not counting optional bosses.
PS1. You don't think the PS1 end bosses were hard?
cj_iwakura
Member
They're pathetic compared to the original versions.
zelhawks37
Member
Ones on the top of my head:
Breath of Fire 3
Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
Persona 3
Legend of Zelda Link to the Past
Breath of Fire 3
Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
Persona 3
Legend of Zelda Link to the Past
I know that was the case for some of the boss battles like Borgan. But I thought Zophar was harder in the remake.
That's what this Let's play and discussion thread on differences says.
https://lparchive.org/Lunar-Eternal-Blue/Update 51/
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/197807-lunar-2-eternal-blue/21885487
I haven't played the Sega CD version myself.
But either way, Zophar on the remake was one of the most intense boss battles I had. It took me several tries, each try was about 30 minutes, and when I finally beat him there were so many close calls.
CircusOfClouds
Member
From recent memory, the final boss of Quantum Break, although I guess that was the only boss?
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Final Fantasy 9; Necron.
Right here.
Most bullshit boss I have ever encountered. You need legit LUCK to beat this motherfucker.
Host Samurai
Member
Final Boss in Ni No Kuni. Now I've beaten lots of hard games, but this boss is ridiculous. My battles with it would take 20-30 minutes per round. It's got like 4 forms to go through.
Aaronrules380
Member
I'd argue that Calamity Ganon is the hardest boss, and dark beast Ganon (who is technically the final boss) is way easier, although it's more of an encore battle than anything
Heavenly Sword?
Heavenly sword?
Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits. Fuck this guy. I never managed to beat him and gave up after a bunch of tries.
Also, the original Golden Sun.
arc the lad has quite a few difficulty spikes.
Yup. I first tried almost all bosses in the base game and all bosses in the Dlc. But Gehrman, Moonie and Kos? Yeah now, took me a while to beat them.
SatoAilDarko
Member
Yeah. That final boss made me put down the game for over a year. I came back and used a guide to get all the missile expansions around the planet.
As has happened sometimes I was just better after time and beat the boss with about the amount of missiles I had originally before getting all the expansions.
It's 2 AM and a Noreaster means no one is out tomorrow and I was really thinking about starting this game up on the Wii U Virtual Console. What are the odds?
Like a lot of No More Heroes this boss is meta and a sort of a parody.
That doesn't excuse his incredible cheapness in one part but I can appreciate what they were going for.
He has multiple forms with different styles. Each evolution sees him get bigger with the third and final for being the easiest because he's so huge and ridiculous looking.
Like the first No More Heroes I did a second playthrough immediately after on the hardest difficulty (which I never ever do). Like the fact I'll never beat the true boss of NMH 1 on the highest, I resigned myself that I'll never beat Jasper on the highest either.
At least the music is really, really good.
Also really great music.
Skyward Sword was what I came to post.
As they hyped this encounter up I decided to prepare. I 100% everything so I had 5 bottles which I filled with fairies and potions.
The combination of boosts to me and 3 fairies (which I all used) meant I could kill him without actually figuring out the proper way to do it. I regretted that but as the game showed the final emotional scenes I want to sit back and soak everything in.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Nah, not true. You must be confused with Ozma who may or may not hit you with curse and meteor back to back when he feels like it.
Did you ignore status abilities the whole time? Grand Cross ain't that bad if you're using it. Someone might get hit with instant death, but then just Life or Phoenix that shit. Spam that Grand Lethal and he done son.
Really? He was harder than others, but I never found him like frustrating. it's been years since I played, but I believe he has patterns. He has a move where he sucks the energy from you and heals himself, but this only works if you're close to him. He has a full screen eye beam, but it can be avoided by spreading your people to the walls and away from the center.
The 3 that comes up in my head instantly are:
Dementium the ward on ds. A cheap final boss and you get sent to the begining of the level when you die. The level consist of corridors full of enemies. No final boss checkpoint. Took me 2 hours straight.
Shinobi ps2. OMG, the rage. I replay this game from time to time as I love it but i am not fighting that final boss again.
Diddy kong racing. Whats that giant pig name again? I love that game way more than mario kart but that boss made teenager me furious. In fact I'd like to replay it to see if it was really hard or I just sucked.
Dementium the ward on ds. A cheap final boss and you get sent to the begining of the level when you die. The level consist of corridors full of enemies. No final boss checkpoint. Took me 2 hours straight.
Shinobi ps2. OMG, the rage. I replay this game from time to time as I love it but i am not fighting that final boss again.
Diddy kong racing. Whats that giant pig name again? I love that game way more than mario kart but that boss made teenager me furious. In fact I'd like to replay it to see if it was really hard or I just sucked.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
This asshole at the end of Guacamelee:
That wall jumping part got me to quit way before getting to the final boss though
omnislayer
Member
This topic is about REQUIRED final bosses not optional correct?
Well, Gehrman and Moon Presence are both optional boss fights, the final required boss in Bloodborne is Mergo's Wet Nurse.
Well, Gehrman and Moon Presence are both optional boss fights, the final required boss in Bloodborne is Mergo's Wet Nurse.
The Illiterati
Member
I hate bosses. I especially hate final bosses. I often get to the end boss and just quit without even trying. I think this is because the possibility that the boss will be too hard and stop me from beating the game is worse than the idea that I chose to stop playing.
Martinski43
Member
Lightning Returns.
When you want a game to end, this is like the worst thing ever. The game sometimes requires a bit of block timing but it is straight up required to beat the last boss. You can't really mess around either cause the boss takes off a substantial amount of health if you fail to block and that was with me doing a ton of sidequests and board requests.
The reason this kinda sucks is because the blocking sometimes feels like it requires a twitchy reflex that you haven't been developing until then.
When you want a game to end, this is like the worst thing ever. The game sometimes requires a bit of block timing but it is straight up required to beat the last boss. You can't really mess around either cause the boss takes off a substantial amount of health if you fail to block and that was with me doing a ton of sidequests and board requests.
The reason this kinda sucks is because the blocking sometimes feels like it requires a twitchy reflex that you haven't been developing until then.
MetalGearZed
Member
Bloodborne DLC
is close but
HAD ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS OF ALL TIME [read: probably the hardest boss in the Souls series]
also Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge
that game had a lot of "fuck you" bosses, but the last one was the "fuck you"-iest of them all
why did i suffer through that shit on hard
that Way of the Ninja difficulty playthrough is nevet happening lol
Laurence
Orphan of Kos
also Ninja Gaiden 3: Razors Edge
that game had a lot of "fuck you" bosses, but the last one was the "fuck you"-iest of them all
why did i suffer through that shit on hard
that Way of the Ninja difficulty playthrough is nevet happening lol
Soodanim
Gold Member
Isn't Gehrman for one of the endings? I think that still qualifies, as a bad ending is just cutting the game short as opposed to extending it. Like Symphony of the Night. You can finish the game without killing Dracula (and half of the bosses), but we all know he's the last boss.
I'd say things like some of the Weapon bosses in Final Fantasy games are what OP means by optional, where beating them gives no story-based reward and are in as an extra challenge.
I can sort of see why devs put optional bosses in as the hardest (Dark Souls 3), as they want people to finish their game and not rage quit. That's why I think linear games sometimes have easy last bosses - it becomes a reward for beating the game in a way. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but I can see the thought process.
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