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Games where the final boss is actually the most difficult required boss
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ChasingComets
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Off the top of my head at the moment, Kingdom Hearts 3D.
there was a serious RNG factor in the attacks he used that made you rely on a lot of prepping. Without the knowledge of what to equip beforehand your entire party could get wiped pretty easily.
TheMagician
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Metal Gear on MGS for the GBC.
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tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Star Ocean 2. There was a pretty involved side quest that resulted in the last boss having his "limiter" removed, making him even stronger than the boss at the end of the Cave of Trials.
That was pretty fucking awesome because it made the last boss not feel completely anticlimactic after you beat the optional super boss.
That was pretty fucking awesome because it made the last boss not feel completely anticlimactic after you beat the optional super boss.
Shifty1897
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"The Egg" Saga Frontier II.
Fuck this thing
LORD yes. Evil final boss.
Valkyrie Profile 2's final boss was rough too. I had to grind an extra 10 or 15 levels to beat him.
I specialized in dual daggers with some flame enhancements. Still pretty difficult on the hardest difficulty.
Morrigan Stark
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Oops, forgot about that thing haha. I don't really consider it the last boss.
They're referring to that other "post-ending" boss that you gotta solo, not the thing with the 4 orbs which was really tough and by far the hardest boss of the game. I consider the fight after that to be just a playable cut scene to be honest, kind of like Sephiroth vs Cloud in FF7 not being the "final boss" instead of the angel Sephiroth.
They're overrated.
Pontiff and Aldrich took me 2 tries each, Soul of Cinders took me at least 6-7, probably more. Even Abyss Watchers the first time took way more tries (found 'em before even doing the Cathedral though, was underpowered). That said, I think L&L is the hardest non-optional boss after all.Martyr Logarius is optional, not required. Christ, read the thread TITLE people...
That's also not how the word "required" works.
Moon Presence
Gehrman
seconded, i quit because with the damage i was inflicting it would've taken me about 5 hours to beat it
This, I didn't use parry in the whole game until this boss, I was keeping losing, specially in the part where he begin throwing you pillars, until I learned how to parry
SadlerX84
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Yep... But a friend told me there was a trophy for beating him under a set time. So that didn't help!
DarkConfidant
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I thought the
spider dude
last hunter guy
I thought the 2nd to last fight with Bartholemew or whatever his name was with all the faces was much harder. Or even some of the optional Pulse bosses.
Final Fantasy 9; Necron.
I disagree with another one! Necron is much easier than Ozma, and can be killed in a shorter time (if you survive). I've never beaten Ozma myself, but I've beat Necron plenty of times.
Blackpuppy
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God of War.
That was the only game where I had to drop the difficulty ... and that was just at the very end when they are both giants.
That was the only game where I had to drop the difficulty ... and that was just at the very end when they are both giants.
tkscz
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Holy shit this. The last boss in Splatoon comes straight out of left field when all other bosses were pretty simple up to that point. That last hit on him is damn near impossible due to how much he just throws at you.
Glad to see the Metroid Prime and Senator Armstrong on here. I feel seriously cheated out of a game and my money when the final """boss""" is cut down to a QTE or something similar that lacks any challenge. Fuck that.
I remember really enjoying that.
Final Fantasy 9; Necron.
When I got up to Necron for the first time, I was completely unprepared and I actually accepted the fact that I wouldn't be beating him on my first try. But then I realized I banked about five dozen megaelixers, let the most useless party member die so I had to heal one less person, and just whittled him down for an hour.
DiipuSurotu
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"Games where the final boss is actually the most difficult required boss"
Final Fantasy XIII-2 comes to mind. I'm not sure if I was just somewhat underleveled at that point but I remember that boss coming out of fucking nowhere. I didn't lose, but I was fighting to hold on for what ended up being forty five minutes. Yeah, probably underleveled, but damn if it wasn't the hardest boss for me personally.
I guess it depends on how much we're factoring the community consensus versus our own experiences.They're overrated.
Like many Bloodborne players would consider Bloodstarved Beast the hardest "non-optional" boss, but I have always found him pretty easy.
There's often some fuckery to the final bosses in SMT games that makes them way harder then they should be if you've not read up on them.
In Persona 3: Nyx has an attack that can charm every teammate, who can then heal her for max HP. For extra annoyance factor, she only uses the attack in her very last phase, when you're already popping the victory champagne.
In Strange Journey: Aside from Mem Aleph being just too strong if you've not grinded for an extra 15-20 levels, she has an attack that randomly chooses an alignment and removes every demon of that alignment from your current line-up. You're just supposed to know that the usual strategy of Hero + 3 demons of same alignment for best demon co-op is the absolute worst way to go.
in Nocturne: Lucifer has a 95% resistance to every single attack and 65k HP and if you're not a Strength + Pierce build, you're in for a long ass fight
And I believe in Devil Survivor Lucifer has an insane Megidoalan attack that gets stronger and stronger with each consecutive use, which means you need to finish him off quickly or you're fucked regardless of your equipped skills.
In Persona 3: Nyx has an attack that can charm every teammate, who can then heal her for max HP. For extra annoyance factor, she only uses the attack in her very last phase, when you're already popping the victory champagne.
In Strange Journey: Aside from Mem Aleph being just too strong if you've not grinded for an extra 15-20 levels, she has an attack that randomly chooses an alignment and removes every demon of that alignment from your current line-up. You're just supposed to know that the usual strategy of Hero + 3 demons of same alignment for best demon co-op is the absolute worst way to go.
in Nocturne: Lucifer has a 95% resistance to every single attack and 65k HP and if you're not a Strength + Pierce build, you're in for a long ass fight
And I believe in Devil Survivor Lucifer has an insane Megidoalan attack that gets stronger and stronger with each consecutive use, which means you need to finish him off quickly or you're fucked regardless of your equipped skills.
JohnSpartanLee
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Dracula in the PSP Rondo of Blood 2.5d-remake (has a third form whereas he only has 2 forms in the original where he's not the hardest boss).
WeaponKnight
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Although that's very bullshit and made me learn Armaggedon to just get it done after he did that 1 hit from dying, I vaguely remember the tables in Tartarus being very annoying too.
Nocturnowl
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Probably not hard for others, but I was never able to finish the game because of this form.
Honestly this guy fucked me right off more than any other Zelda boss, high damaging attacks and the 2D plane made avoiding some of the attacks an absolute ballache.
Most people would generally consider the star the final boss. And tons of people here are listing completely optional bosses from bloodborne like
gerhman and moon presence.
Hippopuncher12
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Recently that I have played I will say Nights of Azure, and Bound by Flame. Both of those games I pretty much got through everything pretty easily, and then the last bosses showed up and wrecked my ass.
The Witcher 2.
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
That dragon
Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Mordremoth. The problem isn't beating him so much as it is getting to him. There are pre bosses you have to beat before you reach him. Plus if you die, the pre boss you are on, or even Mordremoth himself is restored to full health.
AdmiralMikey
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Final Fantasy IV is the first to come to mind. While there are definitely some tough bosses and roadblocks throughout the game, Zeromus definitely reigns above them all.
AntiFacebook
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But the final boss is
Letho
lord_of_flood
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Probably not hard for others, but I was never able to finish the game because of this form.
I totally forgot about this one. Absolutely screwed me over as a kid.
Bayonetta 2's final boss is definitely a real contender for the most difficult required boss in the game, especially on higher difficulties/trying to get the Pure Platinum. I think it's debatable if he's harder than the Lumen Sage or not though.
PaulBizkit
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Not Square/SE Games - The Thread.
An optional boss should ALWAYS be stronger than the final boss. Like Culex in SMRPG or the Emerald Weapon in FF7.
An optional boss should ALWAYS be stronger than the final boss. Like Culex in SMRPG or the Emerald Weapon in FF7.
Final Fantasy games are usually good about this.
FFIV - I never defeated Zeromus
FFIX - Necron was an asshole. I was unprepared and t took me a couple of tries. There was definitely luck involved.
FFX - Jecht is worthy final boss.
FFXII- If it weren't for the Bubble spell, I never would've beaten this guy. But I was under leveled.
I think other FF games apply but even though their final bosses were the hardest, they still weren't that hard.
FFIV - I never defeated Zeromus
FFIX - Necron was an asshole. I was unprepared and t took me a couple of tries. There was definitely luck involved.
FFX - Jecht is worthy final boss.
FFXII- If it weren't for the Bubble spell, I never would've beaten this guy. But I was under leveled.
I think other FF games apply but even though their final bosses were the hardest, they still weren't that hard.
whatever6352
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FF 10: Jecht/Sin was a beast, only boss in that game that i died multiple times to before I beat it, even went to bed because I was raging hard haha and beat it 2 days later on the 1st try.
Gai Murakumo
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Goddammit Christopher Robin. He is the true face of evil.Oh and of course this bastard
BlazeBreak
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Final Fantasy 9; Necron.
Yep. When I played through the game again recently on Steam, I breezed through everything (while also using a less than optimal party configuration for the latter portions). I actually lost to Necron the first time and swapped a party member, even then (also properly equipped to guard against as many of his status effects as possible), it was a tough fight.
Hippopuncher12
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But this thread is about "Non Optional bosses"
Did you?
Someone proposed that the final bosses of Bloodborne are the hardest in accordance to the thread title, i countered saying this is not true because Martyr Logarius (and for the record, bosses like Rom or Mergo's Wet Nurse too) is harder, hence i was merely declaring that Bloodborne does NOT meet the criteria for the thread by virtue of its final bosses not being the hardest.
How is that not appropriate discussion for the thread?
YoRHa No.2 Type B
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Drakengard 1 & 3
What? In many of the Kingdom Hearts Games the final boss is actually rather weak, imo. In KH 1 I oneshot the boss while dieing quite a few times to other bosses. In KH 2 I died to the final form of the final boss once, yet I spent hours on Xaldin. Chain of Memories has Replica Riku who is much harder than the final boss. 358/2 Days also has a rather easy final boss. Birth by Sleep was the first Kingdom Hearts where the final boss was not a total pushover, imo.
Kingdom Hearts definitly has hard bosses, but most of the time they appear much earlier in the game. However, I would also argue that KH being an action RPG, many of the bosses that appear hard for one player may not necessarily be hard for another one.
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