ultrazilla
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I'm not expecting a performance increase in dock mode. I realize it doesn't contain tech for "boosting performace". I just figured Nintendo would have a stable frame-rate locked in for both handheld and docked modes.
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GameXplain: Is Zelda: BotW on Switch Smoother in Handheld Mode? Direct Comparison,
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I'm not expecting a performance increase in dock mode. I realize it doesn't contain tech for "boosting performace". I just figured Nintendo would have a stable frame-rate locked in for both handheld and docked modes.
That's somewhat encouraging. Hopefully that remains the case throughout the rest of the game.
Tal Shiar Agent
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The Switch is less powerful than the Xbox One, is it not? Should be expected then that big games will have trouble running above 720p.
It's a 2.5x increase, so there should be more than enough power for 1080p at the same settings as undocked if the higher clock is utilized.
Nah not talking about framerate, more so about actual graphical quality. It looks so much muddier than the other preview footage we've received today, almost like it's running way worse in comparison. I'm watching Arekkz's footage on how big Hyrule is and it looks way cleaner, but it may just be my eyes...
ultrazilla
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So this *sounds* like it should be easily addressed via a patch from Nintendo. Let's hope they can do it.
f@luS
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Switch is a handhelds system for me
Dont really want to play <1080p game on an oled 4K set.
I'm getting really spoiled by the PS4 pro. I'll do for multiplayer games maybe but I know that the switch will be a portable for me. And I'm glad with this. 3h battery is enough for everyday. And if I travel long time I'll have a portable charger
Dont really want to play <1080p game on an oled 4K set.
I'm getting really spoiled by the PS4 pro. I'll do for multiplayer games maybe but I know that the switch will be a portable for me. And I'm glad with this. 3h battery is enough for everyday. And if I travel long time I'll have a portable charger
Handheld mode footage was captured with a camera (off-screen).
Someone else mentioned it could be a bandwidth issue due to heavy alpha effects. Since a higher resolution does require more bandwidth, the dense grass could be going over available bandwidth to the GPU at higher resolutions. Though, I wouldn't expect such a big difference between 900p and 720p for this reason alone...
RoadHazard
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WW, TP and SS are all more or less solid 30fps from my recollection, with some slight drops on occasion. Definitely nothing like what we're seeing here.
Boy Wander
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My arse. I misremembered and was thinking of Twilight Princess. Its roughly similar in size to X.
OrbitalBeard
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GameSpot talks about framerate in this video starting at 27:47
They're echoing what some others have said in this thread. When docked, framerate becomes much less of an issue beyond the opening section of the game. And they also talk about the framerate definitely being better in portable mode.
They're echoing what some others have said in this thread. When docked, framerate becomes much less of an issue beyond the opening section of the game. And they also talk about the framerate definitely being better in portable mode.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What? What. What?
The dock doesn't have any power of its own, but the Switch does upclock when docked, by enough to theoretically go from 720p in handheld mode to 1080p in TV mode with the same performance. This is known.
Good news. Would still hope Nintendo addresses it with a patch if possible.
A new opportunity to panic about the Switch has appeared
OrbitalBeard
Member
Fingers crossed.
Strange. Poorly optimized area, or maybe the height of the plateau pushes draw distances to the max?
ultrazilla
Member
Cool, thanks for the explanation Ryoku!
I'm sure they will figure something out. We're gonna see some awesome things on the Switch in a few years when they start "coding to the metal". I really feel that way. During the cutscene where the tower comes up out of the ground at the end of the demos, there were no framerate drops as far as I could tell, and the draw distance during the cutscene isn't smaller. If anything, you're seeing more from that height.
I don't think it's a draw distance issue.
RoadHazard
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What lower quality?
Haunted
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Sounds like Nioh's movie mode.
Yes, this. Action mode pls.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Cool, thanks for the explanation Ryoku!
We're not, really. Especially if memory bandwidth issues are already this apparent. Poor HW design, it seems.
Or rather, pretty good HW design for the 720p handheld this system actually is. It's when you try to turn it into a home console things go to shit.
man...i would love to play this game on an OLED
You have to remember that this is a port of a Wii U game. Obviously, the Switch doesn't have the power of a higher-powered console or PC to literally brute-force the game. But making such a bold statement based on a port of a game from a vastly different hardware architecture seems a bit asinine and rash.
SinCityAssassin
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Keep in mind, there ARE a bunch more videos that have footage of the Great Plateau from these previews on a dozen other websites. The framerate is steady most of the time.
LordOfChaos
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Oh wow, the visual downgrades in docked mode are much bigger than just a straight resolution drop. I had been under the impression that would be the main difference, but the lighting on the grass and everything looks pretty not great in handheld mode, even if the resolution would look fine on a smaller screen.
SinCityAssassin
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you mean handheld mode, and the footage was done off camera, they don't have the set up to capture handheld footage directly.
It will be fine.
That probably explains it then. I was thinking I might be going crazy or something.
This post will probably be lost but it would be great if someone with a Switch and Zelda can test this out:
Change the TV out settings on the Switch to 720p and test performance in Zelda on the TV there. And then try it again at 480p for kicks. This also lets us know if the Switch does down sampling if the performance stays the same at 900p but gives us free AA at lower resolutions perhaps?
Change the TV out settings on the Switch to 720p and test performance in Zelda on the TV there. And then try it again at 480p for kicks. This also lets us know if the Switch does down sampling if the performance stays the same at 900p but gives us free AA at lower resolutions perhaps?
Wait, but I heard that with Zelda: BotW the Switch doesn't downclock in handheld mode. Is this correct?
Diablohead
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I did send a tweet to gamexplain earlier asking them to try that, never heard back though.
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Yep. Hell the Wii U version could even end up more stable due to being the platform the engine was built for, only being 720p and not having the extra graphical bells and whistles of the Switch version.
It certainly isn't going to be a janky mess, Nintendo doesn't release those. I strongly doubt it will be much inferior to the Switch version (lower res and missing bells and whistles aside). If the Switch version was a major upgrade, why aren't they showing the Wii U version to entice people to upgrade to Switch?
Cert.in.Death
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Poor TV performance sells me on buying this game for Wii U. I have no desire to play this game primarily in handheld mode and the accompanying investment to make that happen.
th3sicknness
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people focus too much on little things.
It's the game's performance.
thanks im trying to stay positive too positive vibes
*sending positive vibes to everyone who quotes this post*
smashballTaz
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So is this kinda the same as getting more fps by lowering the resolution in a PC game? Makes sense to me. Handheld runs at 720p, TV mode runs at 900p.
Stereogatari
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If I get this thing I probably will play everything Portable anyway.
One of the Gamespot dudes said he did that (reduce the TV out settings to 720p) and got no perceivable improvement.
Coolbgdog12
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They're really going for the Dark Souls style
They said they tested this at 480p during their Q&A Zelda stream. It didn't make any difference.
jts
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Starting from handheld mode as the baseline, TV mode should build up from there while at the very least maintaining performance. Even if it means not raising the resolution.
It's ridiculous that people are even asking for handheld mode on TV, but it's totally legit. Makes me think that there should be a straight up option for that, if game development is going to take this path. Home menu > "Play game in mirrored handheld mode" toggle. (this probably should be a real option in any case, even to simply allow handheld mode video capture).
Otherwise just give me 720p BoTW with extra/better effects, from the extra GPU clock and memory bandwidth.
Regardless, optimistic towards it being a soon to be fixed optimization issue or bug.
It's ridiculous that people are even asking for handheld mode on TV, but it's totally legit. Makes me think that there should be a straight up option for that, if game development is going to take this path. Home menu > "Play game in mirrored handheld mode" toggle. (this probably should be a real option in any case, even to simply allow handheld mode video capture).
Otherwise just give me 720p BoTW with extra/better effects, from the extra GPU clock and memory bandwidth.
Regardless, optimistic towards it being a soon to be fixed optimization issue or bug.