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Gayest Street Fight You'll Ever See
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TheRagnCajun said:
The problem is the misuse of "gay" as a synonym for effeminate. Many (Most) gay men are NOT effeminate. It's a little like calling a video of a black guy eating chicken representative of black culture. Most people like chicken in general but it's not a feature of black culture to eat chicken and watermelon and all that. Those are stereotypes and so is the effeminate gay male.
Zaro said:
I didn't want to get involved in the discussion. I made one post earlier and left it at that. Since he asked though I thought i'd explain exactly why people are reacting like that. The people that have a problem with the title recognize the misuse of the word gay as a synonym for effeminate.
TheRagnCajun
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Gaborn said:
ok. granted its a stereotype.
TheRagnCajun
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Gaborn said:
Well some stereotypes aren't as offensive to some groups for whatever reason. The media still plays up gay stereotypes as funny, and I have generally assumed that gays have a sense of humour about it. Maybe not.
TheRagnCajun said:
It just gets tiresome after a while. I'm a beer swilling football loving typical guy.
Still say it was a catch, fucking TERRIBLE rule robbed us
So it gets tiresome. I've even had some people tell me "You can't be gay! You're a bigger sports fan than I am!"
If someone posted the straightest fight anyones ever seen, I'd assume it to mean the full on sterotypical macho male with testosterone oozing out of every minute. I think it's fair to accept the reversal, with gay meaning the stereotypical super feminine. Neither is offensive and both should be taken in stride. Much bigger things to waste time arguing about
edgefusion
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I would have sex with basically every guy there.
jon bones said:
50 cent's statement was homophobic. I also pointed out that on balance rappers as a whole have much less history of homophobia than reggae artists. I don't believe I ever said "rappers are homophobic." Also, rappers are not a minority group that has historically faced discrimination based on their status. Nice try though.
SLYspyda said:
Does that REALLY surprise you? Most gay men aren't hair dressers either.
How do you know they were gay? I mean, specifically?
Even if this is true, it doesn't change the fact that a small number of people acting in a particular not way is not the "est" example of ANYTHING. they may be gay but they're not the "gayest" because they're not representative of any but a portion of gay men.
jorma said:
If you're bothering to watch a show like queer eye (I never saw the appeal of it personally) then you sort of know what you're getting into. Kinda like watching Family Guy and then finding something offensive. Or being a contestant on Hell's Kitchen and then getting surprised by Ramsey ripping you a new one.
viewtifulsub
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Bears. Look it up.SLYspyda said:
By no means a niche gay subculture.
teruterubozu
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Gaborn said:
Kinda like opening this thread?
SLYspyda said:
Yes, really. The problem with the media is that the majority of gay guys portrayed by them are the effeminate types. As a result, there's an association that gay = effeminate in the eyes of society, which is not true at all. Some of the guys you see in the video are the flaming gay guys (effeminate gesture, lisp in voice, etc). The other type gay guys (the jocks, the bears, the normal joe, etc) would not hesitate punching you to a bloody pulp if you say something like that to their face. Some are even proficient in BJJ or MMA due to the fact that gay guys are often hassled by some bigots so they feel the need to protect themselves by learning martial arts seriously.
This is also the reason why some men don't want to be labeled 'gay' even though they sleep with other men (preferring the term men who have sex with men, etc). Many feels that this view does not represent them at all. These men simply like being with other men but does not possess any of the effeminate quality that society often attributes to being gay.
BattleMonkey
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Geez why people being so hurtful. Why you got to use terms like "hipster"?
teruterubozu said:
No because a show like Family Guy or Queer Eye is unmistakable what it is. You know going in if not the details of what to expect that you have a reasonable chance of being exposed to something offensive. A thread on a message board (particularly one with a strong gay community and stronger moderation) generally doesn't lend itself to that standard.
jorma - to be honest I don't think I've seen more than 5 minutes of it flipping through channels but my understanding is you're going to be told (in not necessarily the nicest terms) why you suck at their definition of fashion and personal appearance.
teruterubozu
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Thanks, just a question.
Watching queer eye is basically opening the door for straight guys getting insulted? And that makes that just as acceptable as this. Come on at least say that they shouldn't be stereotyping eitherGaborn said:
Not that it's much of an insult. Everyone knows that they are playin up the straight stereotype. But god why would anyone give a shit. Yes some straight dudes are jocks that don't know shit about design. Yes some gay dudes are super feminine and don't know how to fight. It's only offensive if you make it offensive. Obviously in either case there is no ill intent, and youf hope that would prevent people from starting these arguments
Future said:
But people go to them for the PURPOSE of being critiqued. That's the reason they WENT there. They're "experts" in their fields anyway I believe not just 5 random effeminiate gay men.
First, I didn't start this thread, heck, originally I made one post early on in the thread and I was going to leave it at that. But since some people are apparently deliberately obtuse (or ignorant) about why this could possibly be offensive I've been responding from there.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Air Zombie Meat said:
Gaborn said:
Well they do claim that the main reason the dude sucks at whatever they try to improve is him being straight. That's the premise of the show. 5 fabulous gay men and 1 dirty straight man. You probably should be offended at this on behalf of straight people, unless you are willing to admit you are a little bit of a hypocrate.
Personally i'm not offended. Why should i be offended about something stereotyping someone says to some dude i never met? It doesn't apply to me. Unless it DOES apply to me, in wich case i will laugh knowingly.
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Future said:
Honestly? I found both to be annoying. I'm a private kind of person so I don't like some fucker telling me that my choice in t-shirt is awful while their shiny Gucci shirt is better. Which is why I don't watch "Queer Eye" because it just piss me off to no end. Similarly, I can't tell if someone make a thread with or without ill intent. Since most of the time the use of this word is meant for ill intent, I'd always be skeptical of its intention.
ShinobiFist
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Replicant said:
WTF?
They are gay, and the fight is gay even if they dont screw other men...which they do. If i saw straight people fighting the same way, i'd call it gay too.
Its funny gay people get all butthurt (wokka wokka) about misuse of the word gay, when they themselves are misusing it. The word does mean happy ya know. So if you can hijack that word and give it your own definition, then shouldnt others be able to take any word they want, such as faggot, and apply it to you? It all means the same thing in the end.
Its funny gay people get all butthurt (wokka wokka) about misuse of the word gay, when they themselves are misusing it. The word does mean happy ya know. So if you can hijack that word and give it your own definition, then shouldnt others be able to take any word they want, such as faggot, and apply it to you? It all means the same thing in the end.
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