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Ghost In The Shell (2017) Trailer

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Oriel said:
Can't say if that's a good or bad thing.
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Probably a good thing. They're one of my favorite parts of Ghost in the Shell, but I don't know how you have them in the movie without them coming off completely...goofy? 85% of their awesomeness is simply in their conversations with each other. Audience might find it boring.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
I'm perfectly fine with borrowing shots. I want the audience who hasn't experienced the anime to get a feel for this world. Of course, what I'd really love is for them to enjoy this movie so much they'd pick up the source material and give it a go. But doubt that would happen even if they loved. What really bothers me about this trailer and concept though is how much focus seems to be on the Major being "unique" and searching for her past. I truly would've loved just a movie about the team chasing down a case. And I think that'd be more fun for the general audience stepping into this world.

I'm still interested in seeing this though.
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For me there's just a disconnect between heavily referencing one work's visuals while ignoring it's content. They even appear to be referencing the diving scene from the original film:
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But rather than an introspection on the Major's psyche all we have is "who can I trust?" which obv was not the point of the original scene (clearly, I'm just extrapolating based on the very limited information in the trailer).

In the end, it certainly doesn't matter because they want to do their own thing but while doing their own thing they probably don't need to reference the original film so often.
 
Visually looks pretty damn excellent and the crew definitely should be commended.... jury is out on everything else though

I dunno, as a lifelong GiTS fan... felt weird watching this :/
 
I'll admit I only have a passing knowledge of GitS, but I thought it looked alright. The art direction is good, but the plot from the trailer seems a little bit generic. Maybe it will be like Silent Hill 2006 where the visuals are on point, but everything else is lacking.

I hope The Wachowskis haven't completely tainted the "weird scifi" market with shit like Jupiter Ascending. Even if this movie is good, the average viewer might write it off.
 
Jexhius said:
For me there's just a disconnect between heavily referencing one work's visuals while ignoring it's content. They even appear to be referencing the diving scene from the original film:


But rather than an introspection on the Major's psyche all we have is "who can I trust?" which obv was not the point of the original scene (clearly, I'm just extrapolating based on the very limited information in the trailer).

In the end, it certainly doesn't matter because they want to do their own thing but while doing their own thing they probably don't need to reference the original film so often.
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After reading this, yeah....I can completely see where you're coming from. It's a dangerous path because it can come off insincere. Like they want to reference the material visually enough to draw in fans, while at the same time ripping out the actual content that fans loved.
 
I don't normally get hung up too much on "faithfulness to source iconongraphy" but I do feel that its important they have Tachikomas somewhere in here. Maybe not with the "childlike AI" thing going on, but they're an important signifier that this isn't just "now but fifty years from now with robots" but a reality that has developed significantly differently.
 
The Technomancer said:
I don't normally get hung up too much on "faithfulness to source iconongraphy" but I do feel that its important they have Tachikomas somewhere in here. Maybe not with the "childlike AI" thing going on, but they're an important signifier that this isn't just "now but fifty years from now with robots" but a reality that has developed significantly differently.
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Considering they made it that Motoko is the only life-like android (obviously some other dude is as much, probably her predecessor who they didn't tell her about and who was entirely robotic without a brain and he went evil so they had to make one with a brain), it's kind of moot to expect them to follow that along. That's a pretty big change.
 
GavinUK86 said:
How can you not love Tachikomas?!?

On a side note, does anyone know who sings that Enjoy the Silence cover?
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Oh I did enjoy them in SAC. I'm just not sure their whimsical, folksy routine would go down well in a film like this.

Edit: Basically this.

Vincent Alexander said:
Probably a good thing. They're one of my favorite parts of Ghost in the Shell, but I don't know how you have them in the movie without them coming off completely...goofy? 85% of their awesomeness is simply in their conversations with each other. Audience might find it boring.
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Jexhius said:
For me there's just a disconnect between heavily referencing one work's visuals while ignoring it's content. They even appear to be referencing the diving scene from the original film:


But rather than an introspection on the Major's psyche all we have is "who can I trust?" which obv was not the point of the original scene (clearly, I'm just extrapolating based on the very limited information in the trailer).

In the end, it certainly doesn't matter because they want to do their own thing but while doing their own thing they probably don't need to reference the original film so often.
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Yea the diving scene is a big question mark for me. Why not use scenes from SAC instead? I can understand having the opening but when the tone is clearly SAC, at least use scenes that tonally fit the movie you're making.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Considering they made it that Motoko is the only life-like android, it's kind of moot to expect them to follow that along. That's a pretty big change.
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The stuff towards the end leads me to two conclusions:
1.) I don't remember how normal "brains in boxes" were in the original film, but this movie definitely isn't at SAC levels of "brain cases"

2.) It doesn't look like the Major is the first person to have complete integration of their brain to a machine, it looks like she's just the first official one. That stuff with all the people sitting in a circle suggests that other underground groups might have been experimenting with brain-machine interfaces for quite a while already
 
duckroll said:
- The "first of your kind" stuff is lifted right out of 2nd GIG
- There is no Puppet Master, it's Kuze
- The modern Kusanagi is basically a superhero who leads a taskforce doing the right thing. If you think Hollywood is bad, the new GitS Arise series was basically a reboot showing the origin of Section 9, and how the Major personally recruited every member to basically... do good. It's more Avengers than Diet Philosophy.

The idea that GitS as a series has high standards is laughable.
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You're not wrong, but why copy the original film's superior visuals and style, but not also it's superior writing?
 
The Technomancer said:
The stuff towards the end leads me to two conclusions:
1.) I don't remember how normal "brains in boxes" were in the original film, but this movie definitely isn't at SAC levels of "brain cases"

2.) It doesn't look like the Major is the first person to have complete integration of their brain to a machine, it looks like she's just the first official one. That stuff with all the people sitting in a circle suggests that other underground groups might have been experimenting with brain-machine interfaces for quite a while already
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I'm talking about androids that look human-like.

It's pretty clear that there is some precursor to Motoko, probably the equivalent of the puppet master, so entirely AI but with a robot body, and he controls some people who plug their brains into some machines. The geisha robots are probably the kind of robots people are used to see.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
What? I don't remember this. At all. I will eat my shoe if you can provide me with some evidence. I believe you, but I genuinely don't remember.
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In 2nd GIG it was revealed that she got a full cyborg body as a young child because of an accident. Iirc, it was heavily suggested or outright stated that she was one of the first to have an extensive modification of that level. It's part of her internal motivation and driving force for using the advantages her body gives her to do good. They triple downed on this plot point in Arise and made it even more overt.

Branduil said:
You're not wrong, but why copy the original film's superior visuals and style, but not also it's superior writing?
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Because it's easier to find good artists in any industry than good writers. Lol. I mean we can ask the same question of every subsequent GitS anime!
 
Branduil said:
You're not wrong, but why copy the original film's superior visuals and style, but not also it's superior writing?
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You must be joking. That would be a recipe for bomb city. I can tolerate Oshii dialogue/philosophical stuff to some extent (fuck you Patlabor 2). Most people won't.
 
Branduil said:
You're not wrong, but why copy the original film's superior visuals and style, but not also it's superior writing?
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Okay I will not turn this thread into another derail about me arguing about this, but I do not find the original film to be extraordinarily written. I find it to be an incredibly atmospheric work but I think it has some rather jarring tonal problems and doesn't engage with its themes on much more than a cursory level. I like GitS, both the film and the property, but maybe I'm more enthusiastic about this than some because I don't hold really any of the material in untouchably high regard.
 
The Technomancer said:
Okay I will not turn this thread into another derail about me arguing about this, but I do not find the original film to be extraordinarily written. I find it to be an incredibly atmospheric work but I think it has some rather jarring tonal problems and doesn't engage with its themes on much more than a cursory level. I like GitS, both the film and the property, but maybe I'm more enthusiastic about this than some because I don't hold really any of the material in untouchably high regard.
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He didn't say good. He just said superior. Lol.
 
Still not sold on it. Seems to be lifting from all over the franchise with some of those shots.
Lol Batou looks so goofy.
 
duckroll said:
Because it's easier to find good artists in any industry than good writers. Lol. I mean we can ask the same question of every subsequent GitS anime!
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I wouldn't say SAC's writing is worse, but rather just different.

Not going to defend Arise though.
 
Jexhius said:
But rather than an introspection on the Major's psyche all we have is "who can I trust?" which obv was not the point of the original scene (clearly, I'm just extrapolating based on the very limited information in the trailer).
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To be fair in a trailer you are not going to get long monologuing and introspection.

I admit I cringe a little with the "first of her kind" line and others, but it's a trailer, so I'll wait and see.
 
Jarmel said:
You must be joking. That would be a recipe for bomb city. I can tolerate Oshii dialogue/philosophical stuff to some extent (fuck you Patlabor 2). Most people won't.
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I'm not saying copy the dialogue, but the puppetmaster story is much more interesting than whatever this is.
 
Branduil said:
I'm not saying copy the dialogue, but the puppetmaster story is much more interesting than whatever this is.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

I'm done defending you now! Lol!

The puppet master story is the most fucking OVERDONE thing in GitS. There should never be another take on it, ever. There is -nothing- left to say.
 
Trailer looks decent.

Might actually be the best anime to Hollywood adaptation. That's not much of a benchmark to be honest.
 
Watched this again...

By Yeezy I can't get over how awful Batou looks. What the hell were they thinking?
It's like they weren't using 100% of their brain when they decided on the casting and his looks or something.
He looks like some kind of comedy spoof.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Considering they made it that Motoko is the only life-like android (obviously some other dude is as much, probably her predecessor who they didn't tell her about and who was entirely robotic without a brain and he went evil so they had to make one with a brain), it's kind of moot to expect them to follow that along. That's a pretty big change.
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Is her being the "first of her kind" a recent thing, anyway? For all we know that could have happened many years ago and now brains in android bodies are mundane.
 
The more I watch the trailer (especially that fan edit), the more confident I feel about how this film will be. The art direction is sublime.
 
So I touched on this on the previous page but, at least for me, "you're the first of your kind" and "who am I" aren't immediete warning signs, despite how cliche they are. For a character defined in various incarnations by her questioning of identity, they seem like a perfectly serviceable permutation on that theme. We'll see how the actual execution is, of course, but I'm pressed to think of a sci-fi property they'd be a better fit for
 
Using Kuze was the best call as it gives a clear antagonist and counterpart for the Major while also allowing the audiences to connect with the Major through her backstory.
 
Octavianus said:
Watched this again...

By Yeezy I can't get over how awful Batou looks. What the hell were they thinking?
It's like they weren't using 100% of their brain when they decided on the casting and his looks or something.
He looks like some kind of comedy spoof.
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My Mickey Rourke Batou is still better:

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I'm pretty surprised that at first glance it looks like they followed the original material pretty closely. Still weird that they went with a white cast but whatever I guess.
 
Jexhius said:
For me there's just a disconnect between heavily referencing one work's visuals while ignoring it's content. They even appear to be referencing the diving scene from the original film:

But rather than an introspection on the Major's psyche all we have is "who can I trust?" which obv was not the point of the original scene (clearly, I'm just extrapolating based on the very limited information in the trailer).

In the end, it certainly doesn't matter because they want to do their own thing but while doing their own thing they probably don't need to reference the original film so often.
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Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex did this all the time. Just as example...

You might recall in 2nd GIG that there's a scene where Section 9 takes the Tachikomas into a geofront to stop a Plutonium deal between a Russian named Koil and the leader of the refugees, Kuze.

This is a pretty close recreation of Chapter 7 in the manga. Except, Section 9 doesn't encounter Koil because of a Plutonium deal. Kuze wasn't even there. Section 9 was instead doing an investigation into Sagawa Electronics and they find that Koil was smuggling gold.
 
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