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Ghost In The Shell (2017) Trailer

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Zil33184 said:
So west = white? Still a problem.
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The cast isn't all white

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Johansson just ruins this for me. I'm still there Day 1, but I don't think I'll ever get over this casting.

Same thing with Damon and the China Wall movie or whatever it's called (that one I'm avoiding like the plague).
 
I'm not 100% satisfied with the casting but the cinematography is on point. Since they've got that down, this movie will live or die on the writing and acting.
 
Film continues to look average. Not sure if I'll catch it in cinemas anymore to be honest, maybe if it generates decent discussion on Gaf.
 
this has potential to be as great as the edge of tomorrow Im actually looking forward to this. Not familiar at the source material at all but the cyperpunk theme is dope af

about Scarlet, I honestly dont know anyone else that that can perform as well as she does action and acting wise, she even generates buzz for the movie herself .On top of my mind, the only asian actresses who recently did action is Rinko Kikuchi of pasific rim and Julie Estelle of the raid. I still think Scarlet is the better choice there

Im so done on director masking actressess inability to do action scene with shaky cam
 
If/When this does well, we can look forward to that live action Akira getting off the ground for real.

Plus Robert Rodriguez is still making live action Battle Angel Alita, since Cameron is too busy yiffing with Navis
 
Tangeroo said:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. Please explain why Hollywood can't or shouldn't cast an Asian woman in the lead.
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I'm saying the whole point of Hollywood licensing an Asian property and adapting it to the West is to put either a Hollywood star in there or an unknown White person. That's their working formula. We know this film wouldn't have been greenlighted without a Hollywood star attached, that's why Margot Robbie was initially offered the role, then Scarlett Johannssen. Not even the Japanese owners of the IP expect an Asian in the lead, and probably prefer a Hollywood star there, hence the whole point in licensing it out to them.
 
that... looks better than expected. Actually it looked really good. Looking forward to it. Art and costumes look on point.
 
I dont see an issue with the casting at all. Batou yeah maybe...he looks off the rest are spot on IMO.

Looks like it can actually can be good. They better have Kawaii´s original music in this film or I will be angry.
 
lightskintwin said:
I'm saying the whole point of Hollywood licensing an Asian property and adapting it to the West is to put either a Hollywood star in there or an unknown White person. That's their working formula. We know this film wouldn't have been greenlighted without a Hollywood star attached, that's why Margot Robbie was initially offered the role, then Scarlett Johannssen. Not even the Japanese owners of the IP expect an Asian in the lead, and probably prefer a Hollywood star there, hence the whole point in licensing it out to them.
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While this is the majority of how it works, I take issue with it being the only way Hollywood does things. For example, Pacific Rim wasn't exactly brimming with star power by having Charlie Hunnam and Rinko Kikuchi in the lead roles.

I don't accept that this is the only way it can be done. Someone had to be the first major black actor/actress (frankly, something that still has room for improvement) and maintaining status quo isn't the way to go about things.

Granted, having China take an interest in movie production is starting to move things along, but I don't accept that a Hollywood Ghost in the Shell can only exist with a white actress.
 
lightskintwin said:
As fucked up as it sounds, casting an Asian in the lead would defeat the purpose of Hollywood adapting it.
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Only because Hollywood has pigeonholed itself into cultivating and growing exclusively white and, to a lesser extent, black blockbuster stars. If Hollywood is defined by white leads, then that's their problem. Asian, especially asian female, representation in American media is pathetic. It doesn't matter what Japanese in Japan think about Asians in America. They are a homogenized country in which they are the majority population.

I get and understand why they cast Scarlett Johannsen. She's the female Tom Cruise. She is an action star with international appeal. I'm not really mad and I don't really have anyone in mind with who they could cast instead. But cases like this clearly highlight the problem with Hollywood that I understand why people would be angry.
 
Tangeroo said:
While this is the majority of how it works, I take issue with it being the only way Hollywood does things. For example, Pacific Rim wasn't exactly brimming with star power by having Charlie Hunnam and Rinko Kikuchi in the lead roles.

I don't accept that this is the only way it can be done. Someone had to be the first major black actor/actress (frankly, something that still has room for improvement) and maintaining status quo isn't the way to go about things.

Granted, having China take an interest in movie production is starting to move things along, but I don't accept that a Hollywood Ghost in the Shell can only exist with a white actress.
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First, we're talking about licensed Japanese properties and adapting them to the West. Please let's stay on topic, but to answer your other unrelated statements.

Pacific Rim was a new IP that had the cache of Guillermo Del Toro attached to direct. In this instance, the Studio took a risk. No different than a Studio taking a risk on The Wachowski's Jupiter Ascending.

I never said it's the only way it has to be done, but it is the way Hollywood does things.
 
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I'm never getting over the fact that we'll not be seeing the Rinko Kikuchi / Ron Perlman tag team, but with that said, I'm stoked for this one. It looks great.
 
lightskintwin said:
I'm saying the whole point of Hollywood licensing an Asian property and adapting it to the West is to put either a Hollywood star in there or an unknown White person. That's their working formula. We know this film wouldn't have been greenlighted without a Hollywood star attached, that's why Margot Robbie was initially offered the role, then Scarlett Johannssen. Not even the Japanese owners of the IP expect an Asian in the lead, and probably prefer a Hollywood star there, hence the whole point in licensing it out to them.
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Wait, Margot Robbie was offered it before Scarlett? What the fuck?
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Only because Hollywood has pigeonholed itself into cultivating and growing exclusively white and, to a lesser extent, black blockbuster stars. If Hollywood is defined by white leads, then that's their problem. Asian, especially asian female, representation in American media is pathetic. It doesn't matter what Japanese in Japan think about Asians in America. They are a homogenized country in which they are the majority population.

I get and understand why they cast Scarlett Johannsen. She's the female Tom Cruise. She is an action star with international appeal. I'm not really mad and I don't really have anyone in mind with who they could cast instead. But cases like this clearly highlight the problem with Hollywood that I understand why people would be angry.
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I don't think Hollywood would think of itself pigeonholing themselves. In fact, it's working as intended.
 
lightskintwin said:
First, we're talking about licensed Japanese properties and adapting them to the West. Please let's stay on topic, but to answer your other unrelated statements.

Pacific Rim was a new IP that had the cache of Guillermo Del Toro attached to direct. In this instance, the Studio took a risk. No different than a Studio taking a risk on The Wachowski's Jupiter Ascending.

I never said it's the only way it has to be done, but it is the way Hollywood does things.
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Since we're playing semantics now, let me repost what you just said previously:

As fucked up as it sounds, casting an Asian in the lead would defeat the purpose of Hollywood adapting it.[/QUOTE]"]
lightskintwin said:
As fucked up as it sounds, casting an Asian in the lead would defeat the purpose of Hollywood adapting it.
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You didn't said that that's the way Hollywood does things. You said it defeat the purpose of Hollywood adapting it.

The purpose of Hollywood adapting something is to expose Western audiences to a property that is otherwise inaccessible to the masses. If you're saying the only way to do this is with a white actors (known or otherwise), then you are suggesting that the Western audience will only accept white actors in roles that are specifically designed for Asian characters. I think that Hollywood can absolutely make a licensed Japanese property without shoehorning a white actor into the role and by your own words, you think using anyone but a white person defeats the purpose of adapting a Japanese IP. And that's what I disagree with.
 
At the end of the day if it's an enjoyable "popcorn" movie I'll be happy, and if someone who sees it looks into the world more and decides to watch the original or read the manga etc then I think that's positive.
 
Tangeroo said:
Since we're playing semantics now, let me repost what you just said previously:



You didn't said that that's the way Hollywood does things. You said it defeat the purpose of Hollywood adapting it.

The purpose of Hollywood adapting something is to expose Western audiences to a property that is otherwise inaccessible to the masses. If you're saying the only way to do this is with a white actors (known or otherwise), then you are suggesting that the Western audience will only accept white actors in roles that are specifically designed for Asian characters. I think that Hollywood can absolutely make a licensed Japanese property without shoehorning a white actor into the role and by your own words, you think using anyone but a white person defeats the purpose of adapting a Japanese IP. And that's what I disagree with.
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Ok, I agree with you, but my point is that's not how Hollywood operates, hence it defeating the purpose for Hollywood to adapt an anime/manga property if they were to cast somebody Asian as lead.
 
Rinko Kikuchi is terribad in Pacific Rim.

Don't get me wrong, so is Charlie Hunnam lol.

Racial politics aside, ScarJo is at least a really good actress.
 
lightskintwin said:
I don't think Hollywood would think of itself pigeonholing themselves. In fact, it's working as intended.
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Which is why it's important to call attention to it. We'd be getting a white Black Panther if no one ever said anything. I don't think GitS is an inappropriate movie to be fighting this battle on.
 
ScarJo looks great, shots in general look great.

Maybe the script / performances shit the bed in the end, but visually this looks really promising.
 
Having binged Stand Alone Complex recently, i have zero hope that this can do any justice to the world or characters. Visuals are great though.
 
kmax said:
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I'm never getting over the fact that we'll not be seeing the Rinko Kikuchi / Ron Perlman tag team, but with that said, I'm stoked for this one. It looks great.
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She could never pull it off. The only reason people even bring her up is she's asian. She doesn't have the acting chops, the confidence or the "it" factor of Scar Jo.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Which is why it's important to call attention to it. We'd be getting a white Black Panther if no one ever said anything. I don't think GitS is an inappropriate movie to be fighting this battle on.
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No, you wouldn't be getting a White Black Panther if no one ever said anything. LOL Quit making false equivalencies and hyperbole.

I agree it's important to call attention to it, and that GITS isn't a good example of fighting the battle on.

It's just calling attention alone isn't going to change anything really. There has to be more done from minority writers and directors to be socially conscious on their casting and providing a platform for actors to move on to bigger projects.
 
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