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[Greg]

We should just save comparisons for GT5/Forza 3 - we all know they both aren't coming for a while.

 

[Red Blaster]

Does GT5 run at 60fps like F2?

So far F2>> GT5


I await the cars with interest.....

GT5 runs at 30 fps, 20 fps in cockpit view.

 

[Wollan]

The demo of the demo? Because the demo isn't free.

If every demo gave you 50 cars, 5 tracks, 16 player online modes, replay downloads, photomodes, home integration, tuning, GTTV..etc..etc. It would be a nice world.

Anyways, before I hit the sack, some scrapes collected from the net:

GT5 Prologue demo (October):
1280 x 1080 @ ~60fps
2x AA in '1080p', 4x AA in 720p
16x cars with average polygon count slightly over 200 000
Interiors, more complex lighting

Forza 2 (May):
1280 x 720 @ 60fps
2x AA?
8x cars with average polygon count slightly over 100 000
(light) damage decaling, somewhat better tracks

 

[zedge]

I wouldn't call 40 + cars, 16 players online a demo, but to each his own.

You can play online?

 

[tak]

GT5 runs at 30 fps, 20 fps in cockpit view.

wait seriously? When did it change?

 

[BamYouHaveAids]

The GT5P screens are dark. Dark like the black soul of death looming over it's apprehensive victim or like the PS3's future, whichever works.

 

[beerbelly]

What about the comparison of release dates? Forza 2's team had to outsource some of the car modelings iirc because of time constraint. Comparing it with a game that's coming out 18 months after it is kind of unfair. Moreover the PD team have much more experience in designing cars and have a producer who seems much more devoted.

 

[nelsonroyale]

GT track looks better to me in most parts

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

You can play online?

Yes!

 

[InterMoniker]

Also, it's obvious that GT5p is a much better game because there are a lot more people in the stands that came to see the show.

I mean obviously rite?

What about the comparison of release dates? Forza 2's team had to outsource some of the car modelings iirc because of time constraint. Comparing it with a game that's coming out 18 months after it is kind of unfair. Moreover the PD team have much more experience in designing cars and have a producer who seems much more devoted.

Lol defense force have arrived!

 

[MCD]

Wollan, you forgot to mention better physics and sounds for Forza 2, not to mention the awesome livery editor.

and GT5P is 1280x1080 when running at 1080p, if wrong, feel free to correct me.

 

[Visualante]

What about the comparison of release dates? Forza 2's team had to outsource some of the car modelings iirc because of time constraint. Comparing it with a game that's coming out 18 months after it is kind of unfair. Moreover the PD team have much more experience in designing cars and have a producer who seems much more devoted.

Oh, well while we're at it lets take into account their salaries into account then...

 

[KeithFranklin]

All these tell me is that it is foolish to compare GT5 to Forza 2 (Maybe Forza 3 by the time GT5 comes out) based on the looks.

 

[beerbelly]

If every demo gave you 50 cars, 5 tracks, 16 player online modes, replay downloads, photomodes, home integration, tuning, GTTV..etc..etc. It would be a nice world.

Anyways, before I hit the sack, some scrapes collected from the net:

GT5 Prologue demo:
1280 x 1080 @ ~60fps
16x cars with average polygon count slightly over 200 000
Interiors, more complex lighting

Forze 2 (released in May):
1280 x 720 @ 60fps
12x cars (8 online) with average polygon count slightly over 100 000
(light) damage decaling, somewhat better tracks

Oh shit! I remember some saying Forza 2 isn't a full game because it "only" had 300 cars compared to GT4's 700+. 50 cars? Oh.

I mean obviously rite?
Lol defense force have arrived!

It's a logical response. I don't even like Forza 2 that much.

 

[zedge]

Yes!

oh shi!

Have to figure this out lol..

 

[Wollan]

Wollan, you forgot to mention better physics, sounds and damages for Forza 2, not to mention the awesome livery editor.
and GT5P is 1280x1080 when running at 1080p, if wrong, feel free to correct me.

damage decaling is on the list. In '1080p' mode, GT5 renders natively in 1280 x 1080 (the 1280 part, width, is afterwards scaled to 1920).

 

[Core407]

 

[Askia47]

GT5 runs at 60fps in game. 30fps in replays

 

[InterMoniker]

GT5 runs at 30 fps, 20 fps in cockpit view.

Lol what?

 

[Y2Kev]

GT5 - 47 cars on screen, 639P @ ~14.3FPS
Forza 2 - 2.3 cars on screen, 267P @ 41 FPS with -32 FSAA

 

[Diablohead]

Forza 2 is 8 cars online and offline, not 12 offline.

 

[MCD]

damage decaling is on the list. In '1080p' mode, GT5 renders natively in 1280 x 1080 (the 1280 part, width, is afterwards scaled to 1920).

removed the damages parts, sorry.

 

[f@luS]

Wollan u forgot the 4X aa in GT5P while forza has 2 to none...

 

[InterMoniker]

It's a logical response. I don't even like Forza 2 that much.

Ya your absolutely right

Moreover the PD team have much more experience in designing cars and have a producer who seems much more devoted.

 

[Firewire]

Oh shit! I remember some saying Forza 2 isn't a full game because it "only" had 300 cars compared to GT4's 700+. 50 cars? Oh.

GT5-Prologue has 50 cars, GT5 the final game will have tons more.

 

[Core407]

removed the damages parts, sorry.

Damages will be in - just as a downloadable file.

 

[sixteen-bit]

How many cars at once are there in Forza 2?

How many cars receive damage in GT5?

 

[Wollan]

Forza 2 is 8 cars online and offline, not 12 offline.

You sure? I swear I have heard 12 before.

 

[mr_bishiuk]

Oh, well while we're at it lets take into account their salaries into account then...

Are any of the teams programmers having marital problems?

 

[T.M. MacReady]

GT5 in-cockpit view confirmed?

 

[beerbelly]

Ya your absolutely right

Come again? Saying GT5 have better cars due to experience, longer development time and a better leader is considered a defence force act? Why don't you shut the fuck up, other than hopping into a thread making snarky comments.

You sure? I swear I have heard 12 before.

Yes. Only 8 offline.

 

[Y2Kev]

GT5 in-cockpit view confirmed?

It's in the demo for Prologue, and it's so awesome.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

How many cars receive damage in GT5?

As of now, all the cars that manufacturer allows to have damage will have damage (aka Cars from Forza 2 + More). More as the deal gets done. Damage and Dynamic Weather is confirmed for GT5.

You were saying?

 

[Gattsu25]

Oh shit! I remember some saying Forza 2 isn't a full game because it "only" had 300 cars compared to GT4's 700+. 50 cars? Oh.

Yeah, 50 cars is pretty excessive for a demo

 

[spwolf]

wait, so we are comparing tracks , not actual cars, in driving game?
How does that work?

:lol

 

[MaX_PL]

i wish there was a time when the two games released same date just so we can have fair comparison.

forza came out months ago and gt5 could take perhaps another year to complete.

 

[beerbelly]

wait, so we are comparing tracks , not actual cars, in driving game?
How does that work?

:lol

I think you should think about that statement.

 

[mckmas8808]

More comparisions

 

[Red Blaster]

It's in the demo for Prologue, and it's so awesome.

Yes but only two cars have it. Also it only runs at 20 fps in cockpit view.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

wait, so we are comparing tracks , not actual cars, in driving game?
How does that work?

:lol

That works by looking at amount of spectators in the crowd, amount of skidmarks, amount of grass, and amount of "ZOMG! THE SUN IS BRIGHT! MY EYES!!"

 

[Diablohead]

You sure? I swear I have heard 12 before.

The original concept was 12 but I guess they had to cut it for the final release, the game does basicly run at a locked 60fps so all is good. It's why the glitched 9 car race worked instead of spawning two cars on top of each other.

It's a shame they never gave an option like that old ps1 game Motorhead, 4 cars at 60fps or 8 cars at 30fps, but then that was an arcade racer 10 years ago.

 

[spwolf]

That works by looking at amount of spectators in the crowd, amount of skidmarks, amount of grass, and amount of "ZOMG! THE SUN IS BRIGHT! MY EYES!!"

grass with motion blur while you are stopped on the track? :lol

 

[Y2Kev]

Yes but only two cars have it. Also it only runs at 20 fps in cockpit view.

??

(joking right?)

It runs at 13 FPS.

 

[f@luS]

REAL Ingame shoot from blim ( no crappy photo thing)

Forza 2


GT5

 

[BamYouHaveAids]

The GT5P screens are dark. Dark like the black soul of death looming over it's apprehensive victim or like the PS3's future, whichever works.

The PS3's future isn't dark, it's bright like the color red!

Black is nothing but a far off dream.

 

[FFChris]

Those shots make Forza look better. Going simply by those screenshots, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

 

[CapoAheaz]

"uh yeah, GT5P demo environments look like shit." i don't see it. it looks great to me.

 

[Holtz]

Those shots make Forza look better. Going simply by those screenshots, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Are you blind? The cars aren't even close, and neither is the lighting. Falus post makes that very clear. Forza wins in environments seen so far, though.

 

[f@luS]

Those shots make Forza look better. Going simply by those screenshots, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Because those shots are so wrong, GT5P demo looks much cleaners, and cars are ....out of league. Tracks is clean enough to be good looking

 

[FabCam]

The environments looks a lot sharper in Forza but the car models are incredible in GT5.