thezerofire
Banned
I don't think that's a very accurate comparison. In Halo and Street Fighter, you both control one person, whereas in SC you control many units
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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
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Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I'm down with this too. Always hated reading the books about how ninja-like and fast Spartans were and then you play the game and move slower than marines.
I was basically saying, roundaboutly, that they are nothing alike.
In my opinion, an arena shooter and a 2d fighter are nothing alike.
Now do you have to play both of them a significant amount to be an excellent player? yes; but that can be said about anything that takes any skill.
I find the movement speed in anniversary to be pretty good, any faster, especially with sprint, and people are just zooming around the map. Being quick and nimble is one thing, being extraordinarily fast is another. Nimble also includes LESS INERTIA. Spartans are apparently excellent at juking, considering how much plasma they tend to dodge in the books.
That was a good read, and I agree with almost everything you posted. My only idea would be to maybe replace Jetpack with a sort of super-jump, if you will. The hover is part of the ability that kills me.
Slightly Live
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KidA Seven
Member
The only way they would be slightly similar is if it's CQC. Part of what makes combos balanced in fighters is that they're only activated when you hit them (simple and obvious). You need to have great reaction on hit confirmations. Part of the reason you're able to do that in the first place is because of great spacing. Halo is nothing like that. People trade beatdowns, and 1 melee takes out so much of your life/shields.
And just because they're not similar doesn't mean they can't work. There just has to be a clear risk when attempting them. The risk would have to involve accuracy both in aiming and button execution.
ncsuDuncan
Member
When is Santa bringing the Primordium preview?
"That's not a lump of coal in my stocking... it's a Forerunner crystal!"
Gabotron ES
Member
Armor abilities are cool, Bungie just fucked it up by spreading them over all playlists. It should've stayed this way:
-Invasion and BTB should stay as they are, camo and al fixes should be applied to BTB though.
-Team Slayer, Squad Slayer...should be Sprint, TU Camo and Hologram.
-Arena would play fine with Sprint and Hologram.
-Objective should be Sprint, TU Camo, Hologram and Jetpack.
Much better that way, add 85% bloom with no bleedthrough and it would be awesome.
-Invasion and BTB should stay as they are, camo and al fixes should be applied to BTB though.
-Team Slayer, Squad Slayer...should be Sprint, TU Camo and Hologram.
-Arena would play fine with Sprint and Hologram.
-Objective should be Sprint, TU Camo, Hologram and Jetpack.
Much better that way, add 85% bloom with no bleedthrough and it would be awesome.
Hypertrooper
Member
Maybe on my mother's birthday again like the Cryptum preview? (Dec. 22) Or this week bulletin as a christmas gift?When is Santa bringing the Primordium preview?
Edit.: Who's playing right now?
Barrow Roll
Member
The problem was that Bungie had to tune the weapons so that dual wielding any combination of dual wieldable weapons wasn't extremely overpowered, which made single wielding those same weapons underpowered. So if you had a dual wieldable weapon, you had to have two to be competitive.
Some weapons just didn't work well at all such as the H2/H3 pistol and the Needler. Others were redundant like the Spiker and the SMG.
Personally I agree that dual wielding wasn't a game breaking mechanic, but I can see the reasons why it might not be that great of an innovation.
You're probably better off with better tuned and balanced weapons instead of dual wielding at all.
And it basically complicates the control mechanics (bad for new / casual players) and ties up another primary button that might have better uses.
'Cept Halo 3's vehicle boarding brought the stun, which is awful. And Reach's lock-in is poopy.
It could be fun, I think my view is tainted by having SMG starts on Coagulation, Containment, etc.
Does Reach really shit all over First Strike as well?
Halsey doesn't know what Ackerson is up to after she has met the Spartan 3s, and of course there are no mentions of any of the events in Reach as well. You'd think Bungie would at least TRY to tie back into this stuff a little.
/pretending Halo:Reach's story never happened
Halsey doesn't know what Ackerson is up to after she has met the Spartan 3s, and of course there are no mentions of any of the events in Reach as well. You'd think Bungie would at least TRY to tie back into this stuff a little.
/pretending Halo:Reach's story never happened
Tha Robbertster
Member
She knows Noble team's spartans arent hers but she doesn't know whether they are II's or III's.
Nothing was changed that I'm aware of in the books to make Reach more fitting wothin the previous canon.
I never had an issue with the BXR in Halo 2, I however had an issue with double/quad shot. To me the BXR was very hit or miss and actually took some skill to use properly a majority of the time (thus adding a bit to the skill gap,) where as with double/quad shot it was ridiculously easy to use once you got the button combo down and allowed people to very easily win battles they otherwise would've lost. Maybe that's just me though. :\
drunkfu
Hypertrooper
Member
Fixed it for ya again. *trollface*
Frankie doesn't want to play with Europeans. =( You saw that Overdoziz had joined our game and didn't want to join us.
Felt like the exact opposite for me, Dub shot and quad shotting was much harder for me than BXR or BXB, or the nade reload glitch off-host. I felt that the double shot combo took more dexterity than any other glitches, and the punishment was just as severe as others if you missed it.
thezerofire
Banned
good for him?
Hahaha oh my god I'm totally kidding. Call off the hounds, fellas.
Just trying to stir that pot of stale soup that was so delicious last night.
Hydranockz
Member
Context at least. I was talking shit about Xand
Gabotron ES
Member
Context at least. I was talking shit about Xand
I see no problem with this.
translation: AR equivalent as starting weapon in Halo 4, grunts, same shit different number.
The fact that you think BXR is equivalent to professional fighting game play, and worry about "unintended consequences" from it makes me scared. Should YY be removed? Should Gandhi hopping be removed?
Dumbing down the game has failed over and over and over again (SMGs, equipment, AAs, etc). Stop developing Halo with this mythical golden trifecta sandbox man-child in mind. The casuals are gone despite blindly following that path for years. If anything, the success of COD and Battlefield proves that players want choice. Instead of hamfistedly forcing ARs down everyone's throat, actually give people some damn options. COD lets you pick whatever weapon you want to use when you want to use it - it's the biggest franchise in the world. Battlefield does the same, and adds vehicles to the mix - demolished Reach in sales. I'm not saying run rampant with 500 guns and 40 perks and all that shit, just let people choose specific matchmaking gametypes they want to play in and let them pick a starting weapon other than ARs.
Following this weird golden pyramid 30 seconds of fun nonsense has brought the franchise to its knees, do something bold for once.
CoD and Battlefield aped that thirty seconds of fun model and improved upon it. It's not a broken concept. And you claim that Halo lost players because it was dumbing things down, whereas you cannot dumb things down further in CoD and still call what's left a game. Which is it? Halo gives choice in plenty of playlists, Invasion especially.
Also, OWV probably took the proposal too seriously. His response was a little hyperbolic, but gave across the sentiment that FG-esque systems wouldn't translate well in Halo. I happen to disagree to a point.
Before the new year, in theory.
Gabotron ES
Member
:lol now that we are getting OT I'll share with HaloGAF what happened to me 3 days ago, pretty intense.
So I was gonna cross the street while playing loud music on my earphones, suddenly a truck full of Coca Cola empty bottles (hundreds of them) do a quick
manuever in order to avoid me while dropping all the bottles into the ground, loudest sound I have ever heard! There's broken glass all over the road and a bunch of cars behind me.
I proceed to run as fast as I can from there.
I feel bad for the driver as it was probably discounted from his salary
bobs...onGaf
Member
Context at least. I was talking shit about Xand
Whats a Xand?
Button Combo's kinda suck in my opinion, in a shooter game the better player should be the guy with the better situational awareness/ aim/ ability to stalk enemies, not knowing how and when to use a specific button combo.
As for the whole MLG situation, as much as I dont really watch MLG I think its decline is a sign of the fact that people dont really enjoy playing Reach seriously. Of course MLG is the extreme of competitive Reach, but the fact is even the more casual yet competitive players (the guys who dont exactly fit into the niche MLG market) might have watched a MLG top ten video back in the day.
As an example on a personal level, im no MLG player but I can feel the ripple effects of the competitive gameplay being less fun. With Reach I genuinely cant play that game seriously. I would rather jetpack around and just generally being a lunatic than actually try and get in the zone and 'play' the game on a more competitive level. I tend to enjoy myself more when concentrating and playing games to win and so im going to pick a game where being trying to be good is fun, rather than a game like Reach where I just muck about.
Hypertrooper
Member
Oh crap. Oh crap. If we get the excerpt this week, it will be the best week of the year.
thezerofire
Banned
My stance on it is that if you're able to turn on someone and BXR them before they can finish you off, you have the better situational awareness/skill in that encounter, and deserve to win it
You do realize Halo is the game where you don't even have to be aiming at an enemy to kill him with your AR - a full automatic spray weapon that is proclaimed 'iconic' and that you are forced to start with in the majority of gametypes? COD isn't dumbed down it's just different. I've already had this conversation with HaloGAF. If you really think it's dumbed down, play COD against my friends and I and after we make your butthole disintegrate, tell me again how it takes no skill and has no strategy and is for babies.
lol
actual BXR gameplay recorded a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA&t=2m45s
Gabotron ES
Member
Dunno bro, tried serching for Google Images... I have seen some disturbing shit.
Dat xand_Fairy.jpg
bobs...onGaf
Member
I just want to warn everyone not to do this. Never Google image Xand, just dont do it.
Xand I think your a dick for having that picture associated with your name. I know your reading this, you weird stalker.
That is all.
If the melee range is tiny, then yeah, otherwise I think its just a cheap kill that you could get in chance situations such as by meeting someone around a corner. Sure maybe it requires quicker reflexes to be the one that pulls it off first but I honestly would prefer to see a legit BR battle happen at that point rather than a quick CQC kill.
Gabotron ES
Member
:lol
Oh god I miss YY so much. It's the only thing I still do in Halo games. It's just not as fast as it used to be though :/
The Antitype
Banned
The 'Anniversary' gametypes are SO. FUCKING. TERRIBLE.
343i, make Halo 4 NOTHING like this. NOTHING.
343i, make Halo 4 NOTHING like this. NOTHING.