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News Hermen Hulst - "We value PC gamers, and will continue to look at the right times to launch EACH game [on PC]."

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You are fundamentally not understanding what I am saying....

I am talking from a financial perspective.... it makes no sense to make a game if you cannot sell it to enough people and consoles help expand the audience to a place that can sustain more investment in the development of each game.

By your flawed logic Sony should only cater to mobile gaming since it is not only the fastest growing market segment but also the most profitable one.

 
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When the games are there, more than on console.

Sony would make serious bank if they put their releases on PC day one but they make hardware (that they actually want to sell) so to reduce that conflict of interest as much as possible there is a significant delay between the playstation release and PC release of games.

CP2077 has been off the PSN Store since a few days after launch.... so that diagram means nothing TBH.

They made pennies on the last 2 releases. A few million.... which is nothing to them. not even enough to fund a quarter of a game when all put together.

What was the cost? Their own new console....PS5 has no native versions of those same games..... it's an embarrassment.

As I said, people can buy a PlayStation to experience these games. They should be trying to make PlayStation a more attractive prospect to buy for PC gamers, not less..... they are undermining their own business.
 

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By your flawed logic Sony should only cater to mobile gaming since it is not only the fastest growing market segment but also the most profitable one.

Sony have a specialist mobile developer under Sony music Japan...

PlayStation games do not suit the mobile platform. So... whose logic is flawed?

Every audience needs to be catered to....
 

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CP2077 has been off the PSN Store since a few days after launch.... so that diagram means nothing TBH.

They made pennies on the last 2 releases. A few million.... which is nothing to them. not even enough to fund a quarter of a game when all put together.

What was the cost? Their own new console....PS5 has no native versions of those same games..... it's an embarrassment.

As I said, people can buy a PlayStation to experience these games. They should be trying to make PlayStation a more attractive prospect to buy for PC gamers, not less..... they are undermining their own business.

Read the article linked. It's for the first 10 days (so before it got removed from PSN:



And if you need an additional source:


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There is no cost to Sony. Doing later date releases is free bonus money and increases the reach of their franchises to a new audience.

Their strategy is still very much focused on selling consoles unlike Microsoft who are now all in on subscription services and don't care whether or not you buy the console as long as you subscribe. The console is just an "option" in their mindset, so much so that the PC has even started getting preferential treatment in terms of first party game releases (Flight Sim 2020, Gears Tactics, AOE).

People who only game on PC are very unlikely to also get a console, they likely have extensive data and research to back this up. The same goes the other way round as well, a lot of people entrenched in console gaming are unlikely to ever consider PC gaming.
 
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I do, but I also proved Stuart wrong in PC gamers are bigger spenders. If only they could pirate microtransactions, ey :messenger_winking:
I'm not sure if you are trolling or not, but Fortnite isnt huge on PC like on console and mobile. Its the same with COD, although Modern Warfare and Warzone did bring some popularity back to COD on PC.
Fortnite is Epic store only, and yeah i'm sure you know the rest.
 

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As for the 'Sony is losing money by giving its games to PC' argument, I think that Sony has enough power as a brand, and presents quite an attractive hardware choice that it will never go away.

You want PS games but you're a cheap fuck? You buy a PS5/6/7/8.

You want PS games and you want them to run at their absolute best? You buy a PC and buy them on Steam.

You want to play a large number of PS games on Steam/PS5/6/7/8 without actually buying them? You subscribe to (the eventual and inevitable) Sony Pass.

One way or another, Sony gets your money, which was their goal all along.

"BUH, BUH BUH ... BUH MAH BRAGGING -" Shut up.
 

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1080 games on Steam and counting here... One thing's for sure, I'll be fully prepared when everything becomes GAAS streaming shite.
1080? You High Definition whore, you!

I only have 172 (excluding the hidden ones). And I've would've had a lot more if I didn't waste my money on console gaming.
 
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Bryank75 Bryank75 you need to realize/accept the fact that many people simply don't want to buy a PS console, that they don't find it that attractive, the next best thing after sex, a second coming of Jesus etc.

Actually, in the eyes of PC guys it's simply weak, people don't game on a 2-5k gaming rigs to jump onto few hundred buck consoles and all their limitations. Then there's the paid online which is absurd, and then on top of it their shitty cross-play policy which is even more absurd. No adaptive sync tech, no way to expand the storage, it lacks the stuff many PC guys consider as a given nowadays.

There's simply a huge crowd out there which Sony won't convince no matter what, actually during the entire PS4 gen they did everything they could to turn those people away from PS ecosystem, they lost all the trust, and they created a hermetic ecosystem that relies on Sony's mercy, and no PC gamer will ever go into it, because that's why they game on PC in the very first place - unlimited freedom.

So by porting the games to PC Sony can at least reach the wallets of those PC gamers, who would be otherwise unavailable. A dollar is a dollar, no matter where it comes from, and the more money they get the more they can invest in the games. So at the end of the day it'll be beneficial for everyone.
 

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Bryank75 Bryank75 you need to realize/accept the fact that many people simply don't want to buy a PS console, that they don't find it that attractive, the next best thing after sex, a second coming of Jesus etc.

Actually, in the eyes of PC guys it's simply weak, people don't game on a 2-5k gaming rigs to jump onto few hundred buck consoles and all their limitations. Then there's the paid online which is absurd, and then on top of it their shitty cross-play policy which is even more absurd. No adaptive sync tech, no way to expand the storage, it lacks the stuff many PC guys consider as a given nowadays.

There's simply a huge crowd out there which Sony won't convince no matter what, actually during the entire PS4 gen they did everything they could to turn those people away from PS ecosystem, they lost all the trust, and they created a hermetic ecosystem that relies on Sony's mercy, and no PC gamer will ever go into it, because that's why they game on PC in the very first place - unlimited freedom.

So by porting the games to PC Sony can at least reach the wallets of those PC gamers, who would be otherwise unavailable. A dollar is a dollar, no matter where it comes from, and the more money they get the more they can invest in the games. So at the end of the day it'll be beneficial for everyone.
 

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1080? You High Definition whore, you!

I only have 172 (excluding the hidden ones). And I've would've had a lot more if I didn't waste my money on console gaming.

It might be a handful less (not sure if it counts non-steam games that have been added), but yeh...



As for the 'Sony is losing money by giving its games to PC' argument, I think that Sony has enough power as a brand, and presents quite an attractive hardware choice that it will never go away.

You want PS games but you're a cheap fuck? You buy a PS5/6/7/8.

You want PS games and you want them to run at their absolute best? You buy a PC and buy them on Steam.

You want to play a large number of PS games on Steam/PS5/6/7/8 without actually buying them? You subscribe to (the eventual and inevitable) Sony Pass.

One way or another, Sony gets your money, which was their goal all along.

"BUH, BUH BUH ... BUH MAH BRAGGING -" Shut up.

The thing is it's not even about being a "cheap fuck" because the games coming to PC later aren't guaranteed or promised. I'm still sat here hoping and waiting for my Bloodborne port. They will still get plenty of people who game across both PC and console. If they did a Microsoft and promised day and date PC ports for all of their titles then personally I'm out and will gladly be 100% PC.
 

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It might be a handful less (not sure if it counts non-steam games that have been added), but yeh...





The thing is it's not even about being a "cheap fuck" because the games coming to PC later aren't guaranteed or promised. I'm still sat here hoping and waiting for my Bloodborne port. They will still get plenty of people who game across both PC and console. If they did a Microsoft and promised day and date PC ports for all of their titles then personally I'm out and will gladly be 100% PC.
Oh yeah, I was just giving my opinion to a scenario where all Sony games are coming to PC, like with X-Box.
 

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Exactly, which is why Sony is porting their games to PC!
Sony has their own Platform to take care of... that should be the priority.

They should be adding to the lineup of exclusives, making it more unique and desirable...not less.

I understand PC gamers wanting the games...of course if Star Citizen or Crusader Kings came to PS5, I'd welcome it....but at the same time you must admit it makes PC less attractive as a possible purchase...
 
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Sony has their own Platform to take care of... that should be the priority.

They should be adding to the lineup of exclusives, making it more unique and desirable...not less.

I understand PC gamers wanting the games...of course if Star Citizen or Crusader Kings came to PS5, I'd welcome it....but at the same time you must admit it makes PC less attractive as a possible purchase...
Would you have a problem if pc and xbox gamers getting god of war 2 on their systems didn't affect its sales on the ps5?
 

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Bryank75 Bryank75 you need to realize/accept the fact that many people simply don't want to buy a PS console, that they don't find it that attractive, the next best thing after sex, a second coming of Jesus etc.

Actually, in the eyes of PC guys it's simply weak, people don't game on a 2-5k gaming rigs to jump onto few hundred buck consoles and all their limitations. Then there's the paid online which is absurd, and then on top of it their shitty cross-play policy which is even more absurd. No adaptive sync tech, no way to expand the storage, it lacks the stuff many PC guys consider as a given nowadays.

There's simply a huge crowd out there which Sony won't convince no matter what, actually during the entire PS4 gen they did everything they could to turn those people away from PS ecosystem, they lost all the trust, and they created a hermetic ecosystem that relies on Sony's mercy, and no PC gamer will ever go into it, because that's why they game on PC in the very first place - unlimited freedom.

So by porting the games to PC Sony can at least reach the wallets of those PC gamers, who would be otherwise unavailable. A dollar is a dollar, no matter where it comes from, and the more money they get the more they can invest in the games. So at the end of the day it'll be beneficial for everyone.

The absolutely incorrect approach...

They should have bought From Software and Square Enix and made all of their games exclusive.... then launched a 1000+ dollar PS5 Pro aimed at that audience.

The only way to win is by force. Give people no excuse not to buy a PlayStation console.

This PC port stuff is weak bullshit. It is defeatist, a losers approach to the industry. That is why Nintendo are still around they give everyone else the middle finger and do what is right for them.
 
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Would you have a problem if pc and xbox gamers getting god of war 2 on their systems didn't affect its sales on the ps5?
Yes, I already said that the industry is becoming homogeneous and boring due to games releasing everywhere. There is no identity anymore... the brands are diluted.

The next GOW shouldn't even be on PS4.
 
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Sony has their own Platform to take care of... that should be the priority.

How is it not the priority?

The PC ports come years later and they are done by tiny teams at minimal cost.
 
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The absolutely incorrect approach...

They should have bought From Software and Square Enix and made all of their games exclusive.... then launched a 1000+ dollar PS5 Pro aimed at that audience.

The only way to win is by force. Give people no excuse not to buy a PlayStation console.

This PC port stuff is weak bullshit. It is defeatist, a losers approach to the industry. That is why Nintendo are still around they give everyone else the middle finger and do what is right for them.
I can play every Nintendo game on my PC running better than on a Nintendo console.
Sony could buy every major video game company and I still probably won't buy a PlayStation(not at serious discount, I'm cheap not dumb) PC gaming is just better for me. I get to decide how my games run, what effects are important to me and so on. Sony will only get my money by porting to PC(I'll still wait for 20$ sale)
 

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How is it not the priority?

The PC ports come years later and they are done by tiny teams at minimal cost.

I said already... where are my native versions of Death Stranding, Horizon, Detroit and Days Gone?

It's insulting...

Where is my SSD expansion? Probably too busy doing PC stuff for that.

Also why am I paying 10 euro more, when all these games are on PS4 and eventually PC? another insult.
 

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I can play every Nintendo game on my PC running better than on a Nintendo console.
Sony could buy every major video game company and I still probably won't buy a PlayStation(not at serious discount, I'm cheap not dumb) PC gaming is just better for me. I get to decide how my games run, what effects are important to me and so on. Sony will only get my money by porting to PC(I'll still wait for 20$ sale)
Fine, there will always be holdouts but the point would be to make it very very hard for anyone not to buy a PS5 / 6 etc.

No ports, more exclusives..... buy publishers and gradually add to the exclusive lineup until reaching critical mass.
 

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Sony has their own Platform to take care of... that should be the priority.

How is tapping the PC market any different from serving mobile gamers? If Sony should only cater to the fastest growing market, then they should go all in on mobile gaming and forsake consoles altogether. We both know that's a bullsh*t argument, but then why are you applying that logic to the PC market?

Should Sony take care of its platform or cater to every audience?
  1. If it is the former, then you should also condemn Sony for catering to mobile.
  2. If it is the latter, then there is no reason why Sony can't expand into the PC market like they do with mobile.
  3. If both things aren't mutually exclusive, then there is no reason to assume that porting games to PC would have any impact on Sony's ability to take care of its own platform.
You're contradicting yourself or at the very least you're not applying your arguments equally and consistently.
 
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Fine, there will always be holdouts but the point would be to make it very very hard for anyone not to buy a PS5 / 6 etc.

No ports, more exclusives..... buy publishers and gradually add to the exclusive lineup until reaching critical mass.
I'm not the target audience for anything. I wait for 3$ Indies to go on sale haha.
 
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Normally I'd be excited to clean up IQ in games I like/love, but who even cares since you can't reasonably buy a GPU until late-2022 probably. Great if you managed to get a current gen card though, I'm still stuck on this stinky (read: fantastic) GTX 1080.
I do. PS4 busted, and since Sony won't sell me a ps5, and I lucked out and got a 2060 last november with ryzen 3600 and 16gb ddr4, m2.ssd , logi mechanical kb/mouse/3d headset, and sn30pro+ controller.. I'm set.
Maybe i will double dip on days gone to actually finish the game as seeing I won't be getting a ps5 untile 2022/23 when sony decides to sell them again, or gov/retailers reign in the scalpers. (its amazon and neweggs fault, they promote the damn resellers on their stores).
 
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How is tapping the PC market any different from serving mobile gamers? If Sony should only cater to the fastest growing market, then they should go all in on mobile gaming and forsake consoles altogether. We both know that's a bullsh*t argument, but then why are you applying that logic to the PC market?

Should Sony take care of its platform or cater to every audience?
  1. If it is the former, then you should also condemn Sony for catering to mobile.
  2. If it is the latter, then there is no reason why Sony can't expand into the PC market like they do with mobile.
  3. If both things aren't mutually exclusive, then there is no reason to assume that porting games to PC would have any impact on Sony's ability to take care of its own platform.
You're contradicting yourself or at the very least you're not applying your arguments equally and consistently.

No, you are misunderstanding....

I said 'every audience needs to be served'..... I did NOT say 'PlayStation needs to serve every audience'.

Please stop trying to twist my words into nonsense.

PlayStation does have a mobile studio now but I think PS games do not suit mobile TBH.
 

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No, you are misunderstanding....

I said 'every audience needs to be served'..... I did NOT say 'PlayStation needs to serve every audience'.

Please stop trying to twist my words into nonsense.

PlayStation does have a mobile studio now but I think PS games do not suit mobile TBH.

Way to dodge my questions.
You were defending Sony catering to mobile with the adage that "every audience needs to be served".

Again, why should it be any different for PC?
 

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I said already... where are my native versions of Death Stranding, Horizon, Detroit and Days Gone?

It's insulting...

Where is my SSD expansion? Probably too busy doing PC stuff for that.

Also why am I paying 10 euro more, when all these games are on PS4 and eventually PC? another insult.

The ports you speak of are literally that, ports with arbitrary framerate/resolution support, the asset quality is identical to the PS4 versions. PS5 updates for those games would likely require a lot more work/testing because they would need to make sure the game meets the resolution/framerate target 99% of the time.

Bottom line is, if you're not happy vote with your wallet. Sell your PS5 for a healthy profit due to the shortage and build a PC (plenty of us here will gladly guide and welcome you). You still seem to be very emotional about this when the reality is that after some time to reflect, you should recognise this situation for what it is:

 
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The ports you speak of are literally that, ports with arbitrary framerate/resolution support, the asset quality is identical to the PS4 versions. PS5 updates for those games would likely require a lot more work/testing because they would need to make sure the game meets the resolution/framerate target 99% of the time.

Bottom line is, if you're not happy vote with your wallet. Sell your PS5 for a healthy profit due to the shortage and build a PC (plenty of us here will gladly guide and welcome you). You still seem to be very emotional about this when the reality is that after some time to reflect, you should recognise this situation for what it is:

No, the textures are actually lower quality on the PS4 and PS5 versions.... the PS5 didn't get the benefits of better textures like PC did.

The resolution likewise cannot be different from the Pro version unless they do a full port. So resources are going to PC before PS5.
 

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Way to dodge my questions.
You were defending Sony catering to mobile with the adage that "every audience needs to be served".

Again, why should it be any different for PC?

I'm not dodging anything, you misinterpreted what I wrote....

I said 'every audience must be served' but I did not say PlayStation has to serve every audience..... they only have a duty to their customers, to their ecosystem.

They have no obligation at all beyond their consoles.
 

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All the questions we ask ourselves, all the discussions we're leading and reading out to ourselves - all viable and the very reason why these plattforms even exist in the first place and it's all that makes our lives more interesting, however, funneling it down to its core, at the end of the day, only time will tell us the truth about how this generation panned out and you don't win this marathon with a 100m dash, you win by keep delivering content that is celebrated, because that's what this is all about.

Keep discussing the way you do, all of you, but remember, it's all a matter of taste, enjoy this generation thoroughly!
 
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I'm not dodging anything, you misinterpreted what I wrote....

I said 'every audience must be served' but I did not say PlayStation has to serve every audience..... they only have a duty to their customers, to their ecosystem.

They have no obligation at all beyond their consoles.

They have an obligation only towards their shareholders. Consoles are nothing but means to an end: Making money. I get that japs have indoctrinated us since kids that if you want to play game A, you have to buy certain HW and if you want to play game B you have to buy another. That can only work with kids. Imagine telling an adult back in the day that they had to buy a Sony stereo system to listen to records under the Sony Columbia label and another system if they wanted to listen to albums by Virgin Records? Insane... same for movies.

This business still keeps making money as the console demographic is used to it but it has its limits. Look at Nintendo. They had to merge their 2 console offerings to stay relevant and resort to their key demographic (kids, manchilds and overworked japanese salarymen that have 20 mins per day to game when commuting)
Of course they champion exclusivities, they have nothing else to offer: Crap HW, terrible online, terrible pricing, no backwards compatibility... you name it.
 

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I'm not dodging anything, you misinterpreted what I wrote....

I said 'every audience must be served' but I did not say PlayStation has to serve every audience..... they only have a duty to their customers, to their ecosystem.

They have no obligation at all beyond their consoles.
There's no such thing as "obligation towards customers" in a capitalistic society, it's about increasing profit and getting richer. Those shareholders didn't get rid of Layden for no reason, his traditionalist views were getting in the way of their pockets getting larger. This is the way of capitalism, always has been. Jim Ryan will do as shareholders please or they'll get rid of him and replace him with another money maker.
 
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Because some people bought their PS5's under the pretense that there would be actual exclusives, unique experiences synonymous with PlayStation and in keeping with its history and legacy.

None of this changes if people on PC get to play those games several years after they launched on console.

The industry is becoming very homogeneous and after losing all the Zenimax games and exclusivity on Yakuza, Kingdom Hearts and several other series, this is the wrong move.

Why? Because you don't like it? By all accounts its working very well.

They are making PlayStation into Xbox-lite, almost every move Jim Ryan and Hermen make is a copy of what Xbox has done.... there is no vision.

No vision? I think you mean their vision doesn't align with yours. And I disagree. Xbox and PlayStation compete in the same market and are subject to the same market forces. Hunkering down and ignoring the way the market is moving out of pride or tradition is a fast route into obsolescence. The benefit Sony has is that they're the defacto place for anyone to play by virtue of the strength of their brand globally.

The reason their pursuit of PC gaming doesn't really matter to their console business is because PC and Console are more or less divergent. Why? Cost of entry. More people are willing to spend more on gaming and buy PC's sure, but that isn't the whole of the market. Ultimately, if there are people who don't want to spend $1000+ PC's because they can't or won't, there is a market for console. And PlayStation has been the one to get for most people.

Will this strategy succeed? Who knows. But for now, they get to make extra money on older games which would otherwise no longer be generating revenue. People who were otherwise never going to buy a PlayStation will at least consider getting a PlayStation game. And who knows, if they enjoy it they might buy into the brand. Having a sealed walled garden is valid, sure, but opening it up just enough to allow others to get a taste is also a valid approach.

Resources are being put towards PC ports, when their own new platform, PS5 doesn't even have native versions of those games... Death Stranding, Horizon, Detroit and Days Gone.

Fair point, but if there is money to be made, that is always the more appealing option to a business. PlayStation was so close to not existing a dozen years ago due to how unprofitable it was for Sony. It nearly bankrupted them. Not doing this is hardly of cosmic betrayal from Sony, its just fucking common sense. In the grand scheme of things its inconsequential.

And beyond that, the increased investment Sony are putting into PlayStation as a whole should eventually mean that this is no longer a Zero Sum game. You can have PC and PS5 upgrades at the same time.

For all the price hikes, games going to PC, cross-gen games and laundry list of other stuff.... we have no more studios than before. Xbox got Zenimax and they are not paying more for basic versions of games!
Where is our Zenimax deal if we have to put up with all this shit?

Sony can't casually drop $7 Billion on a publisher. What do you want them to do? Spend money they don't have acquiring publishers?
There is nothing they can do beyond continuing to make excellent games (which they already do) that can counteract major publishers getting acquired by Microsoft and their deep pockets. Small tactical investments here and there (which they already do) is their only combative strategy. Which they already do.

And this nonsense with Cross-Gen games is the height of childish pedantry. You've just gone on this tremendous diatribe about how they must look after their ecosystem first and foremost - over anything else such as PC gaming. But you don't want them to service their existing 115 million strong PS4 user base? Nah those guys need to get with the programme and buy the latest (difficult to obtain) hardware from Sony, else they're second class citizens.

Where is the SSD expansion?

Where are the firmware updates to deal with the many crashing issues games have on PS5? Where are the UI updates to deal with how lonely it feels on it?

These are fair points. However the people who port games to PC are not the same as the people who do Sony's software/firmware. There reaches a point with these things where throwing more money and people at the problem won't necessarily make it go away faster. That is the nature of software and hardware development.

Jim and Hermen are focused on PC, mobile and cloud to the detriment of PS5 and console gaming. They are both disgraces to everything PlayStation means to gamers and fans.

How is it at the expense of the PS5 and console gaming? Let me make this absolutely clear. Sony choosing to port (so far) 2 games to PC and even daring to think about maybe porting some more, as absolutely fuck all to do with their game output. Their studios are busy making the games that evidently, plenty of people want to play. That would not change, nor would it happen any faster if Sony chose not to port games released 3+ years ago to PC.

I'm not dodging anything, you misinterpreted what I wrote....

I said 'every audience must be served' but I did not say PlayStation has to serve every audience..... they only have a duty to their customers, to their ecosystem.

If that's the case, then why are cross-gen games bad? Or do PS4 gamers who haven't the luck or finances to cough up $500 for a PS5 not count? Sony's duty is only to the fraction of their userbase that has the fortune of owning a PS5 - do I have that right?

They have no obligation at all beyond their consoles.

That isn't for you to decide.
If Sony want to expand their potential customer base they are free (and justified) to do so.

Feel free to disagree and hate (???) Herman Hulst and Jim Ryan. Such is your prerogative. But as far as I'm concerned, crying about Sony even contemplating selling a handful more old exclusives on PC is childish.
 

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Bottom line is, PlayStation games will eventually come to PC and cloud, day 1, day and date with their own consoles. It's a matter of when, not if. As Hulst said, 'these are still early days' for PC ports; it took MS a while to go day and date with PC, too.

The end goal is for PlayStation to become more of a software platform and for PS Now to have full parity with Game Pass (cloud streaming to mobile, native download options on PC, etc).

At the end of the day, the real money comes from selling software and services to people, not so much hardware - which they make very little profit from, and by bringing their games to existing devices people already own, they forego the barrier of entry and expand their market to people who otherwise wouldn't have bought their console in the first place.
 
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Resources are being put towards PC ports, when their own new platform, PS5 doesn't even have native versions of those games... Death Stranding, Horizon, Detroit and Days Gone.

do you expect Sony to hold Kojima at gunpoint and force them to make a ps5 port? ps5 was probably not in the equation when the deal was signed. Thankfully the business people in charge of these corps can see the big picture and aren't sad fanboys.

Bottom line is, PlayStation games will eventually come to PC and cloud, day 1, day and date with their own consoles. It's a matter of when, not if. As Hulst said, 'these are still early days' for PC ports; it took MS a while to go day and date with PC, too.

The end goal is for PlayStation to become more of a software platform and for PS Now to have full parity with Game Pass (cloud streaming to mobile, native download options on PC, etc).

At the end of the day, the real money comes from selling software and services to people, not so much hardware - which they make very little profit from, and by bringing their games to existing devices people already own, they forego the barrier of entry and expand their market to people who otherwise wouldn't have bought their console in the first place.

sadly, i expect they will have their own launcher in time and it will probably be awful. hopefully they get bloodborne on steam before then so i can go back to not caring about any of this.
 
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Sony can't casually drop $7 Billion on a publisher. What do you want them to do? Spend money they don't have acquiring publishers?
You don't know what Sony as a business entity can or cannot do so don't pretend to. Also based on the last sentence of your comment above it sounds like you need to take a look at their recent balance sheets as they are sitting on tens of billions in cash.
How is it at the expense of the PS5 and console gaming? Let me make this absolutely clear. Sony choosing to port (so far) 2 games to PC and even daring to think about maybe porting some more, as absolutely fuck all to do with their game output.
False. You can make a valid and sound argument that it's possible that any amount of time that one of Sony's studios studios spends on doing a PC port could have been used to expedite development on their current PS5 game instead, optimize their latest PS5 game, implement a feature in a PS5 game with that teams resources instead of doing the port, or another is that Sony spending some of whatever the budget is for SIE that FY on paying a 3rd party developer to port a PS4/5 game to PC could have been used to fund a brand new game from another developer or publisher for the PS5. You cannot make the definitive claim that "Sony choosing to port (so far) 2 games to PC and even daring to think about maybe porting some more, as absolutely fuck all to do with their game output." because as I've pointed out it's absolutely possible that it can.
 

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sadly, i expect they will have their own launcher in time and it will probably be awful. hopefully they get bloodborne on steam before then so i can go back to not caring about any of this.
I don't see what's sad about that; Sony are basically the one company where it fully makes sense for them to have their own launcher on PC, since they have a ton of 1st party content they can actually occupy it with.
 

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You don't know what Sony as a business entity can or cannot do so don't pretend to. Also based on the last sentence of your comment above it sounds like you need to take a look at their recent balance sheets as they are sitting on tens of billions in cash.
Looking at Sony’s latest quarterly statements, they have under $5 billion in their cash balance and only about another $1 billion in AR. Not sure where your getting tens of billions. That’s nothing compared to what Microsoft has in their account. Even then, “tens of billions” in cash is not enough to convince a board to approve a $7 billion acquisition. No company at that level would spend a percentage like that on an acquisition that would also require further expenses before producing any revenue. You don’t need to know Sony as a business entity to figure that out.
 
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The absolutely incorrect approach...

They should have bought From Software and Square Enix and made all of their games exclusive.... then launched a 1000+ dollar PS5 Pro aimed at that audience.

The only way to win is by force. Give people no excuse not to buy a PlayStation console.

This PC port stuff is weak bullshit. It is defeatist, a losers approach to the industry. That is why Nintendo are still around they give everyone else the middle finger and do what is right for them.
They already do.
There's no such thing as "obligation towards customers" in a capitalistic society, it's about increasing profit and getting richer. Those shareholders didn't get rid of Layden for no reason, his traditionalist views were getting in the way of their pockets getting larger. This is the way of capitalism, always has been. Jim Ryan will do as shareholders please or they'll get rid of him and replace him with another money maker.
Layden supported PC ports too.
As does Cory Barlog.
You don't know what Sony as a business entity can or cannot do so don't pretend to. Also based on the last sentence of your comment above it sounds like you need to take a look at their recent balance sheets as they are sitting on tens of billions in cash.

False. You can make a valid and sound argument that it's possible that any amount of time that one of Sony's studios studios spends on doing a PC port could have been used to expedite development on their current PS5 game instead, optimize their latest PS5 game, implement a feature in a PS5 game with that teams resources instead of doing the port, or another is that Sony spending some of whatever the budget is for SIE that FY on paying a 3rd party developer to port a PS4/5 game to PC could have been used to fund a brand new game from another developer or publisher for the PS5. You cannot make the definitive claim that "Sony choosing to port (so far) 2 games to PC and even daring to think about maybe porting some more, as absolutely fuck all to do with their game output." because as I've pointed out it's absolutely possible that it can.
Sony makes no money from people buying a used game to justify remaking the game for PS5.

PC has better graphics due to the nature of the platform. People tout the lack of options as a benefit of consoles.
 
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Layden supported PC ports too.
Just because he mentioned that they might be coming to PC doesn't mean he supported the idea. In that same interview he actually said it's multiplayer focused games that will come to PC, but that's obviously not what's happening now. I think its pretty obvious he was not fully supportive of this strategy and therefore got the boot.

 
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I don't see what's sad about that; Sony are basically the one company where it fully makes sense for them to have their own launcher on PC, since they have a ton of 1st party content they can actually occupy it with.

Doesn't make sense. Sony has no presence on PC. Nobody will join there launcher. That's why they are releasing games on launchers that are actually used by PC users.
 
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Doesn't make sense. Sony has no presence on PC. Nobody will join there launcher.
Millions join Battle.net and download Epic Launcher just to play Call of Duty and Fortnite. I'm sure people have no problem downloading a free launcher from Sony, wouldn't be surprised if they're already working on it.
 
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Millions join Battle.net just to play Call of Duty.

Believe it or not, battlenet is older then steam and battlenet is ingrained by the PC community as one of the bigger PC game developer called blizzard. People grow up with there ip's like nintendo people grow up with mario's.

Sony is practically irrelevant on PC.
 
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Believe it or not, battlenet is older then steam and battlenet is ingrained by the PC community as one of the bigger PC game developer called blizzard. People grow up with there ip's like nintendo people grow up with mario's.

Sony is practically irrelevant on PC.
What about millions downloading Epic Launcher just to play Fortnite? People will do it if they really want to. Sony maybe irrelevant but their games aren't.
 
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Just because he mentioned that they might be coming to PC doesn't mean he supported the idea. In that same interview he actually said it's multiplayer focused games that will come to PC, but that's obviously not what's happening now. I think its pretty obvious he was not fully supportive of this strategy and therefore got the boot.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive.

You're saying the president and ceo of PlayStation didn't support something that started under his watch?