Did it do well? I honestly dont recall seeing even a single commercial for it.
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How animation was done in the 1930's
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Did it do well? I honestly dont recall seeing even a single commercial for it.
Vampire On Titus
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Damn, this post is too real. I'm sad now.
It seemed to have been fairly successful since it wasn't really aggressively marketed.
TV animation is actually starting to get to the point where it's genuinely amazing. It took a really huge setback when the recession hit and projects dried up. Studios were closing left and right and many of the rest had to produce on very tight budgets in order to get contracts.
I agree with this.
Vinegar Joe
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One of those things is not like the others.
Vampire On Titus
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Those are pretty unfavorable comparisons to cite. I don't think anybody using transformers as an example of great older animation. There's still good stuff coming out today, but there's a lot of flat, odd looking, tweened, warped and cheap looking animation out now too. I'd say that's more often the case.
Even the shows that use more traditional animation, often don't take it far enough. Still great shows, but Regular Show for example, would be even cooler if every episode was animated as well as the pilot. (smoother motion, more exaggerated weight & personality, funnier expressions)
Gravity Falls is top notch through and through, though. Love the animation in that show.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Thanks for this thread/link.
Makes me appreciate my job more, no matter how much I complain about redrawing props, poses that the design should've done it for me, animators at this day and age, have it a tad easier.
I'm also proud that I got to experience exactly the same method of work those guys did back then (drawing and flipping the pages) while I was in school, so I know what it takes.
Having said that, producers, big studios still fuck them over with super tight timelines, almost impossible schedules, and low pay. So let's not be too thankful just yet..
Makes me appreciate my job more, no matter how much I complain about redrawing props, poses that the design should've done it for me, animators at this day and age, have it a tad easier.
I'm also proud that I got to experience exactly the same method of work those guys did back then (drawing and flipping the pages) while I was in school, so I know what it takes.
Having said that, producers, big studios still fuck them over with super tight timelines, almost impossible schedules, and low pay. So let's not be too thankful just yet..
Snkfanatic
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Shesh, just because they have a computer to help doesn't make it easy.
Thanks for the video OP, I am a graphic designer/illustrator and it is crazy to see some of the similarities in even what I do to this.
Hell yes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b8isnhYMjg My favorite Fleischer Studio cartoon (that isn't Betty Boop related)
CyclopsRock
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I posted this in another thread but....
The lines between them (2d and 3d) have been getting gradually blurry for a very long time. Films like Tarzan - aside from the kickass Phil Collins croons - had buckets of 3D, and it looked utterly beautiful because of it (seriously, watch this - utterly amazing, utterly leveraging the ~80 years of animation knowledge, utterly reliant on 3D) Even Beauty and the Beast back in 1991 had a scene where everything but the characters themselves were 3D, and it's more or less the most iconic scene in the entire film (this one, of course). the Princess and Frog came after a statement that they'd finished with 2D, and maybe if more of you had gone to see and/or not entirely forgotten the subsequent, totally 2D Whinnie the Pooh, they'd make more "traditional 2D" films, but the reality is that what most people see as "2D" and "3D" is a wholly stylistic choice. It's not about closing a certain studio or whatever - it's about what the director wants their film to look like. The techniques, the knowledge of animation and the visual styles are all still there. Paperman was beautiful, but I raise my eyebrow at the idea that someone painting the eyeballs (with a wacom pen, no doubt) rather than it being rendered by Renderman is what makes or breaks a film.
Ghibli is exactly the same, incidentally - a huge chunk of it is 3d and it's all CG.
The lines between them (2d and 3d) have been getting gradually blurry for a very long time. Films like Tarzan - aside from the kickass Phil Collins croons - had buckets of 3D, and it looked utterly beautiful because of it (seriously, watch this - utterly amazing, utterly leveraging the ~80 years of animation knowledge, utterly reliant on 3D) Even Beauty and the Beast back in 1991 had a scene where everything but the characters themselves were 3D, and it's more or less the most iconic scene in the entire film (this one, of course). the Princess and Frog came after a statement that they'd finished with 2D, and maybe if more of you had gone to see and/or not entirely forgotten the subsequent, totally 2D Whinnie the Pooh, they'd make more "traditional 2D" films, but the reality is that what most people see as "2D" and "3D" is a wholly stylistic choice. It's not about closing a certain studio or whatever - it's about what the director wants their film to look like. The techniques, the knowledge of animation and the visual styles are all still there. Paperman was beautiful, but I raise my eyebrow at the idea that someone painting the eyeballs (with a wacom pen, no doubt) rather than it being rendered by Renderman is what makes or breaks a film.
Ghibli is exactly the same, incidentally - a huge chunk of it is 3d and it's all CG.
Acrylic7
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Go buy a Disney BluRay and watch the extra content on how they made the films.
Raw talent. Animators were on another level.
kame-sennin
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Tezuka didn't work for Flerisher. He was inspired by them, though.
It's called a 'trans-continental accent' ie, a mix between a British and northeastern American accent. It was the defacto standard in american broadcasting and acting schools for some time. I imagine the decline was caused when northeastern boarding schools, which taught the accent to American children, began going out of fashion.
Vampire On Titus
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Not sure about all the directors. But didn't Miyazaki start using CG with Princess Mononoke and then go back to traditional/mostly traditional with Ponyo? I remember reading something like that.
Not that I disagree with your point entirely (always thought that beauty and the beast scene looked goofy)
Dark Octave
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I don't believe they had Flash or even computers in the 30s.
i dont disagree i just dont like how these topics turn into dumping grounds for the modernity. its not even specifically animation, same thing for like pink floyd wankfests or classic videogaming threads
Well, Hanna Barbara cartoons were garbage. The '60s through the '80s were a dark age for western animation in many ways. A lot of older cartoons are still great, though. Stuff from Disney like Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia are still mind-blowing, even today.
You still had good animation in the 90s, but nowadays most of it is crap.
Utterly wrong.
Acrylic7
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Utterly wrong.
Yes Avatar is good. But that's only 1 example. Storyboard are super detailed when they come up with the fights, love their stuff.
MC isn't a good example. Iv seen the storyboards and the animation process. Its just awkward camera positions and tricks that makes it look cool in motion.
and regarding the simpsons post; The older animation are better, much more fluent. The newer version just seems cleaner, but lacking life. Notice how Marg isnt even moving except for her head. Bland stuff.
The person I was responding too only posted one example. Besides, there are plenty of examples, I just don't feel like making my own gifs from every single show.
Shows like Gravity Falls, Adventure time, Futurama, Young Justice, Clone wars, the upcoming Wander over Yonder and even Bob's Burger's has moments of animated brilliance.
Hell, even kids shows like Jake and the Neverland Pirates, and Justin Time are very well animated.
What tv shows in the past are better animated than the ones now?
The entire purpose of animation is to tell a story and look good doing it. Who cares how it's made.
Ponyo was 100% hand drawn animation with no computer tricks except for the color correction, etc. The tsunami scene is one of the most amazing examples of pure 2D animation in recent memory, everything is so goddamn fluid.
Miyazaki's next movie will include CG elements again though.
Femmeworth
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I don't care too much for modern Disney, but it seems like you are completely ignoring Japanese animation. I don't want to turn this into a East vs. West debate, since they are different styles.
CyclopsRock
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Yup, afaik, Ponyo was the only one in the last ~15 years produced like that.
Me neither, but you gotta remember that even anime and manga took huge influence from the golden age of american animation and cartoons. It's the base working principles for the whole industry in general.
Today anime seems to have overcome the western animation decades ago. Things like avatar just copy age old anime fight choreocraphy :b
Not really. I won't deny influence, but they had a martial arts consultant that choreographed every fight scene. They certainly did not "copy" anyone, that's downright offensive to the people that worked on it.
Acrylic7
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I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Does anyone have any tips for getting better with tablets?
Acrylic7
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practice is the only way bro.
What are you using the tablet for? Animation? Art?
Boss Doggie
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I made that post because I hate all of this circle-jerking against modern animation that actually manages to do its stuff, that it implies laziness.
Simpsons actually didn't feel like they managed to find a sweet spot until seasons 3 or so. 1 was utterly atrocious in the animation.
With that said, while I can see the main gripe on the Marge animation... I chuckled because do people want characters spazzing out whenever they move, just to show that they are "animated"?
Bullshit. The problem is a company would expect to pay all of those people less now (in today's dollars) than they did then. All the profit has to go to the few people at the top, obviously.
Wait, how is the use of far more creative camera angles and visually engaging perspectives somehow a bad thing?
Acrylic7
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its not bad.
forknknife
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Wow, I saw that movie a thousand times as a kid.
You still had good animation in the 90s, but nowadays most of it is crap.
holy crap that's bad
You can read a bit about the animation process of The Simpsons here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15mskw/i_am_alex_ruiz_animator_on_the_simpsons_ama/
Basically guys like him do the key animations (the most important poses), then those are sent to Korea where they do the in between frames. It takes 6 months to do 1 episode. He said the animation when down hill when the show went all digital 10 or so years ago. Combine that with tight schedules and you get substandard animation. It's a shame, but when you have to produce as many episodes as these guys do, something has to give.
Vane_MagicCity
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...but but but the feminists said that women weren't allowed out of the kitchen.
XANDER CAGE
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wuh
Also, people lamenting that animation "sucks" now are comparing relatively low-budget shows on a tight production schedule to masterpieces. There is plenty of excellent animation out there at the moment.
BobbyRobby
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cool video. the thing that made me realize how much work was involved in animation was a behind-the-scenes look at Roger Rabbit i saw a while back. over one million drawings were made for it.
Vulcano's assistant
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Were Fleischer's cartoons also 12 frames per second like Disney's?
MisterHero
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Nope. Kirby arguably WAS Marvel. Beside his own work, he trained other Marvel artists by drawing layouts for them. He was outpacing the writers he collaborated with and writing his own stuff, including Lee.
If DC takes the most obvious path with the Justice League movie, both they and movie Marvel will be riding Kirby's work.
Tezuka's still cool though.
Secret Fawful
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All right, Gravity Falls is great, but using it to put down Popeye, who had some of the most creative, imaginative, interesting shorts ever produced is wrong and is spitting in the face of animation.
So you nasically had to say something, no matter how inaccurate to defend your favourite animations...
People want life in their animated characters. And it's the goddamn opening, of course it needs to be flashy.
Psychological Intellect
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Not at all. Just be good at what you're doing. Also, Tablets aren't expensive, you can get a decent Wacom for like 60$
practice and more practice.
Calling something used in animation a trick as a derogative term is inherently silly if you think about it.
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