Macho Madness
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Precisely how I see something like that potentially playing out:
At this point it feels like the smart republicans know this election is lost, but might feel like they have to make moves like this to distance themselves as far as possible from Trump and other radical parts of the party, so that they can still hold positions of power and authority and be taken seriously in whatever is left of the GOP after Trump and his followers burn it to the ground. Once Trump gets his ass handed to him the party could realize being as radical as possible is a stupid idea and come running back to Mitt and co.
How well would a hypothetical 3rd party do if it was for small government, fiscally conservative but socially progressive?
Precisely how I see something like that potentially playing out:
In 1836, the Whig Party nominated different candidates in different regions in the hopes of splintering the electoral vote and denying Martin Van Buren, the Democratic candidate, a majority in the Electoral College, thereby throwing the election into the Whig-controlled House. However, this strategy failed with Van Buren winning majorities of both the popular and electoral vote.
People wanting a 4 way electoral battle in the GE election do know that if no one gets 270 electoral votes, it goes to the House to pick the President?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1912
All of this would just allow the Democrat to win with a large EV majority. They know this. They won't do it.
I think the theory is that you run in one of the already established third parties, like the Constitution party or something. If they let you. They've usually done the legwork to get on most ballots.
Now Buzz I can get in to.
Precisely how I see something like that potentially playing out:
As others have said, the Republican Party would never run a second candidate. It would be stupid.
However, let's say that there IS a brokered convention--which is still perfectly plausible--and the nomination is then taken AWAY from Trump--which is also plausible--despite him winning more states than any other candidate.
In that case, Trump is likely to run as a third party candidate himself. And then, I could see this theory becoming a reality.
Can't run for VP if you're not eligible for the presidency.
At this point it feels like the smart republicans know this election is lost, but might feel like they have to make moves like this to distance themselves as far as possible from Trump and other radical parts of the party, so that they can still hold positions of power and authority and be taken seriously in whatever is left of the GOP after Trump and his followers burn it to the ground. Once Trump gets his ass handed to him the party could realize being as radical as possible is a stupid idea and come running back to Mitt and co.
At this point it feels like the smart republicans know this election is lost, but might feel like they have to make moves like this to distance themselves as far as possible from Trump and other radical parts of the party, so that they can still hold positions of power and authority and be taken seriously in whatever is left of the GOP after Trump and his followers burn it to the ground. Once Trump gets his ass handed to him the party could realize being as radical as possible is a stupid idea and come running back to Mitt and co.
People wanting a 4 way electoral battle in the GE election do know that if no one gets 270 electoral votes, it goes to the House to pick the President?
How well would a hypothetical 3rd party do if it was for small government, fiscally conservative but socially progressive?
Not that I wanted a 4 way electoral battle, but no I didn't know that before this thread. I don't remember that particular fact ever coming up in school
No, that still wouldn't work. The days of a Dem needing either Ohio or Florida are long since past.This could only work if the spoiler wins Texas and Ohio (Cruz/Kasich on a 'Stump Trump' campaign?), plus Hillary would have to lose Florida.
If Mitt failed to win almost any swing state in 2012, how the fuck would he manage to do it with Trump eating up a lot more of his support than of Hillary's?
What a joke of a democracy.
Can there be a 4th candidate? I want Bernie vs Clinton vs Trump vs Romney, lol
The only reason they might do this is to give them a moderate republican who can campaign for downticket senate and house races. That would allow them to put some distance between vulnerable candidates and Trump.
It wouldn't ever be to try and actually win the presidency - it would just be to isolate Trump and shore up republican votes for downticket candidates.
What are you talking about? And there can be 10 candidates. Or 50.
Precisely how I see something like that potentially playing out:
Am I crazy? Wouldn't a state like Ohio go to Clinton in the GE? A potential third-party candidate with Kasich on the ticket may very well fall Republican. A couple more states following Ohio's lead could be disastrous for both candidates, and give me the rapture election I'm hoping for.
.The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
The last time this ever happened was because there was like, 4 or 5 viable parties. Almost 200 years ago.
This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz.
Today, there is a contest between Trumpism and Republicanism. Through the calculated statements of its leader, Trumpism has become associated with racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, vulgarity and, most recently, threats and violence. I am repulsed by each and every one of these.
The only path that remains to nominate a Republican rather than Mr. Trump is to have an open convention. At this stage, the only way we can reach an open convention is for Senator Cruz to be successful in as many of the remaining nominating elections as possible.
I like Governor John Kasich. I have campaigned with him. He has a solid record as governor. I would have voted for him in Ohio. But a vote for Governor Kasich in future contests makes it extremely likely that Trumpism would prevail.
I will vote for Senator Cruz and I encourage others to do so as well, so that we can have an open convention and nominate a Republican.
Am I crazy? Wouldn't a state like Ohio go to Clinton in the GE? A potential third-party candidate with Kasich on the ticket may very well fall Republican. A couple more states following Ohio's lead could be disastrous for both candidates, and give me the rapture election I'm hoping for.
Am I crazy? Wouldn't a state like Ohio go to Clinton in the GE? A potential third-party candidate with Kasich on the ticket may very well fall Republican. A couple more states following Ohio's lead could be disastrous for both candidates, and give me the rapture election I'm hoping for.
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And this, my friends, is why we have and always will have a two party system. People who think the constitution is the be-all-end-all don't really realize that it has some pretty fucking stupid shit in there that guarantees we have a clusterfuck of a gov't.