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[Michael F. Assbender]

I have a 1 and a half year old daughter. Maybe I'm an old fart but it scares the shit out of me reading stuff like this.

How do you prevent it? You can be an amazing, caring, kind, wise parent and your child still may make a stupid choice to release personal photos they can never take back.

I know I have a good number of years to go before I need to worry about this, but damn, being a parent nowadays is scary (and more so when you add in things like school shootings, drunk/texting drivers, and other shit that's completely out of my control).

 

[jmizzal]

Something big like that in a small town is bound to get out, but I really dont see how you can charge kids with looking at pics of each other.

Best they can do is punish the kids and take away the phones

 

[Fnord]

People wanna fuck.

Send some of those people my direction.

 

[……forgetit]

I have and I have partaken in such shenanigans, but these kids haven't and aren't.
I'd be way to self conscious to send naked pics when I was at high school I reckon!

In the case of highschool you aren't I'm control of your own life. So it's common for two kids who like each other to do this because physical intimacy is hard to set up when your mom drives you on dates.

 

[Fnord]

I have a 1 and a half year old daughter. Maybe I'm an old fart but it scares the shit out of me reading stuff like this.

How do you prevent it? You can be an amazing, caring, kind, wise parent and your child still may make a stupid choice to release personal photos they can never take back.

I know I have a good number of years to go before I need to worry about this, but damn, being a parent nowadays is scary (and more so when you add in things like school shootings, drunk/texting drivers, and other shit that's completely out of my control).

You prevent it by parenting.

 

[captive]

Of course you can arrest some but not all. We're talking about hundreds of people, surely some of them engaged with this cache in different ways.

they're all minors. The intent of the law is an adult producing child porn with a child because they cannot consent. Or possessing child porn. Just because the laws never thought about children producing their own child porn.

If you had someone taking pictures sent to them and sending them to dozens or even hundreds of other people, I don't think I agree that they shouldn't be arrested. Whether they were underage or not. As has been said in this thread, I know the law doesn't make a distinction, but the prosecutor sure can.

Question to both of you:
Where do you draw the line of someone possessing this "cache" if they had more than 10 photos? More than 20? seems pretty freaking arbitrary.

Also what if some boy or girl produced more than 10 or 20 nude photos of themselves? should they be arrested too?

The whole situation is a clusterfuck and I have a serious problem with ruining a bunch of kids lives over this. The intent and spirit of the law are two different things.

 

[Blank!]

You prevent it by parenting.

I had great parents.

I still did a ton of stupid shit when I was young.

 

[Konka]

This isn't just about kids sending nude photos. This is about some of them having hundreds of them on their phone of many different people, some legitimately sent to them and others gathered and sent to them from friends (probably without consent). That's why this isn't as simple of a case as some people in this thread want to think.

Well that raises another issue. What is the crime there. Is it because they are underage or because they are sent without consent? Is it a crime to share photos of 18+ people without consent? Does it require both conditions to be true?

 

[omnislayer]

It's pretty crazy they would even consider charging kids with child pornography.
Using the laws made to protect them against them is pretty bad. But this was a pretty crazy situation.

 

[hodayathink]

In a certain sense, though, it is pretty simple. Don't want naked pictures of yourself floating around on the Internet/text messages - don't send anyone naked pictures of yourself. Not assuming that those pictures will get out is naive.

There's a good argument to be made that distributing pictures in this manner (no matter the age of the person in the picture) can/should count as revenge porn, which is something that a lot of people want to be fully criminalized. Even if we ignore the child pornography aspect of this case, there's still the possible issue of disseminating nude photos of someone without their consent.

Well that raises another issue. What is the crime there. Is it because they are underage or because they are sent without consent? Is it a crime to share photos of 18+ people without consent? Does it require both conditions to be true?

Legally, both aspects are a crime (the second less so both because the pictures aren't purely "public" and because no one is making money off them). Model release forms exist for a reason. Hell, if nothing else, you can get people on distributing porn with the proper 2257 documentation (though I've literally never seen it come to that).

Question to both of you:
Where do you draw the line of someone possessing this "cache" if they had more than 10 photos? More than 20? seems pretty freaking arbitrary.

Also what if some boy or girl produced more than 10 or 20 nude photos of themselves? should they be arrested too?

The whole situation is a clusterfuck and I have a serious problem with ruining a bunch of kids lives over this. The intent and spirit of the law are two different things.

Taking the pictures: Absolutely no issue for me. Receiving the pictures: No issue for me. Taking the pictures you were sent and sending them to all your buddies in school: Issue for me. If it were me prosecuting, I go after the people that were receiving pictures meant for them and sending them to everyone else.

 

[The Llama]

I have a 1 and a half year old daughter. Maybe I'm an old fart but it scares the shit out of me reading stuff like this.

How do you prevent it? You can be an amazing, caring, kind, wise parent and your child still may make a stupid choice to release personal photos they can never take back.

I know I have a good number of years to go before I need to worry about this, but damn, being a parent nowadays is scary (and more so when you add in things like school shootings, drunk/texting drivers, and other shit that's completely out of my control).

As messed up as this probably sounds, you just need to mentally prepare yourself that this likely will happen.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Giving teens all this technology is what does it. Not saying all the kids are bad kids, but it's like planting a device with someone who can do more harm than good just because of their age and their experience in life.

Give a kid access to the internet, communication to other people, and an HD camera. That seems to be an all access route. There's no other way to stop it because kids are learning about sex and they're also broke.

I guess you could teach CP laws and how the person holding the camera and sending the pics can be thrown in jail. I don't see why these kids didn't think about it for a second.

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When I was in high school. I was outside a house when a guy drove up (guy was probably 21 or so) and he met the home owner's son at the door. The son handed the guy a video camera and said that she did it and here was the camera. I didn't think about it at the time, but the girls were underage and God only knows what was on that tape.

I went through high school with guys who dated younger girls, talked to them on AIM, and so forth. Looking at it now, I haven't been exposed to that in a long time. I honestly would hate to think about what went on.

 

[Compsiox]

Send some of those people my direction.

Well this thread is going places

 

[Mr. X]

I was reminded of the highschool couple that were charged earlier this year somewhere in the South for sexting.

Kind of ridiculous the extremeness of being charged a felon.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Yeah it's strange. CP laws are designed to stop the abuse of children but how do you stop children abusing themselves?

 

[Konka]

Giving teens all this technology is what does it. Not saying all the kids are bad kids, but it's like planting a device with someone who can do more harm than good just because of their age and their experience in life.

Give a kid access to the internet, communication to other people, and an HD camera. That seems to be an all access route. There's no other way to stop it because kids are learning about sex and they're also broke.

I guess you could teach CP laws and how the person holding the camera and sending the pics can be thrown in jail. I don't see why these kids didn't think about it for a second.

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When I was in high school. I was outside a house when a guy drove up (guy was probably 21 or so) and he met the home owner's son at the door. The son handed the guy a video camera and said that she did it and here was the camera. I didn't think about it at the time, but the girls were underage and God only knows what was on that tape.

I went through high school with guys who dated younger girls, talked to them on AIM, and so forth. Looking at it now, I haven't been exposed to that in a long time. I honestly would hate to think about what went on.

I mean, I hate to dig into it too much, but until recently it was normal to be married and have kids at 14. 14 year old boys were viewed as adults and men of the family. Hell, the entire scene in American Pie of the streaming Nadia is about sharing naked high school students with friends. Society as a whole needs to deal better with the fact that yes, many of the people we consider kids are sexually active. It's not helpful to run away from it.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

You prevent it by parenting.

Ah, so every wayward teen is the result of bad parenting. Got it.

 

[RagnarokX]

Yeah it's strange. CP laws are designed to stop the abuse of children but how do you stop children abusing themselves?

Graham crackers, obviously.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I mean, I hate to dig into it too much, but until recently it was normal to be married and have kids at 14. 14 year old boys were viewed as adults and men of the family. Hell, the entire scene in American Pie of the streaming Nadia is about sharing naked high school students with friends. Society as a whole needs to deal better with the fact that yes, many of the people we consider kids are sexually active. It's not helpful to run away from it.

It's enjoyable. Sex at that age is like a mysterious box waiting to be unraveled. I did stuff at 15 and even 16 that older males are trying to teach me how to do at 30. I would stain the deck, cut grass, put up plaster on walls, have sex with my 16 or 17 year old girlfriend, and then go to work.

You're right about that. Perception of how it is versus how it really is is what does it.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I never understood this obsession with taking nude photos of yourself

Is it really that hard to understand?

 

[Walpurgis]

You prevent it by parenting.

This is an ignorant thing to say. Parents have no control over what their children do 6-7 hours of the day, 5 times a week. Even if you were the best parent in the world outside of those hours, if you have a child that is easily influenced by others, they can become pretty screwed up from school.

 

[damnbandit]

Of course it's Canon City. . .

 

[Konka]

It's enjoyable. Sex at that age is like a mysterious box waiting to be unraveled. I did stuff at 15 and even 16 that older males are trying to teach me how to do at 30. I would stain the deck, cut grass, put up plaster on walls, have sex with my 16 or 17 year old girlfriend, and then go to work.

You're right about that. Perception of how it is versus how it really is is what does it.

Yeah, I mean I had my first sexual experience at age 14 and the girl was 13. We had endless dirty conversations on AIM. You give people that age the technology and means to be more sexually active and they will.

We're the only species on this planet that puts so much thought into sex.

 

[jackal27]

Teens are gonna sext and I don't see how we're ever going to stop it. I just hope that we don't start prosecuting them all...

A lot of them do get prosecuted actually. If their 17 they can even be prosecuted as an adult for distributing pictures of themselves because they're still technically a minor. Even if they don't get prison time, there's still a big chance they'll be a registered sex offender for the rest of their lives.

 

[XOMTOR]

This is an ignorant thing to say. Parents have no control over what their children do 6-7 hours of the day, 5 times a week. Even if you were the best parent in the world outside of those hours, if you have a child that is easily influenced by others, they can become pretty screwed up from school.

Sorry but that's a failure of parenting.

 

[Konka]

Sorry but that's a failure of parenting.

Bullshit. 100% of what how a person turns out to be is not determined by parenting.

 

[Rur0ni]

Peers are a powerful thing. And some things have to be experienced. I hope this doesn't ruin any lives.

 

[Jarmel]

Those children should be ashamed of distributing child porn.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

this is just a high tech version of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours"

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Sorry but that's a failure of parenting.

It isn't, parents aren't the sole source of influence in their children's lives no matter how much trust they instill or control they exert.

 

[XOMTOR]

Bullshit. 100% of what how a person turns out to be is not determined by parenting.

I didn't imply 100% of how a child turns out is bad parenting, only that being easily influenced by others is.

Regardless, many people are a lot less qualified to be parents than they think they are. Case in point, giving your middle schooler or teen a cellular phone and a cell plan. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. Too many parents wanting to be Parent of the Year or best buds with their kids. Here's an idea, just go to fucking school and learn. Yea I know: "But eveyone else's kid has one." or "Well even before cell phones, kids still managed to do yada yada yada..."

It isn't, parents aren't the sole source of influence in their children's lives no matter how much trust they instill or control they exert.

Being easily influenced by others and being a follower is something that's established pretty early in life. You most definitely can instill a deep sense of confidence and leadership in your child at an early age so that even though they encounter outside "influences", you child will be well equipped to deal with them.

 

[Konka]

I didn't imply 100% of how a child turns out is bad parenting, only that being easily influenced by others is.

Regardless, many people are a lot less qualified to be parents than they think they are. Case in point, giving your middle schooler or teen a cellular phone and a cell plan. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. Too many parents wanting to be Parent of the Year or best buds with their kids. Here's an idea, just go to fucking school and learn. Yea I know: "But eveyone else's kid has one." or "Well even before cell phones, kids still managed to do yada yada yada..."

Great and here's how that goes down in reality. Your kid is bullied because they don't have a cell phone. They're made fun of and probably called poor. They're constantly asked why their parents won't give them a cell phone. They're made fun of for being the kid without a cell phone, get a few terrible nick names made for them.

 

[……forgetit]

Being easily influenced by others and being a follower is something that's established pretty early in life. You most definitely can instill a deep sense of confidence and leadership in your child at an early age so that even though they encounter outside "influences", you child will be well equipped to deal with them.

This reminds me of when I was back in high school and we had a drug search in the middle of class. My teacher said "my child would never do anything like that." Half way through the search she got a call on the phone. They had found weed in his locker. Point is you can do an amazing job raising your kid, but there's no way in knowing if they indulge in the same activities as the other kids in school. Your child is human and will make mistakes, no mater how amazing of a job you did as a parent.

 

[entremet]

I did? Your sentence just didn't make sense. A text is still considered distributing (child) porn and would most likely be dealt with similarly.

Anyway, this is an interesting situation, it seems like on the surface, everything was just willing teenagers being stupid. Of course if there was coersion it should be dealt with accordingly. There's always such blurry lines when it comes to this shit because it's including kids in the ages where they're just coming into adulthood and the court system is pretty black and white on whether it considers you a responsible adult or a kid who just should have known better. Being as there's kids across different ages, most likely a handful will wind up getting scapegoated for the whole thing. I don't really have faith that the law handles these situations, especially in the modern age, in any way that actually punishes dangerous people and recognizes that some people are just stupid and horny kids.

I'm aware. The issue isn't one to one exchanges even though they're technically illegal at that age.

The issue is wide distribution of underage pics, some from legal adults (18) to what is hundreds of other viewers.

Let me be clear, I don't think any criminal charges should be pursued, but this case does pose a quandary to the prosecutor involved.

 

[XOMTOR]

Great and here's how that goes down in reality. Your kid is bullied because they don't have a cell phone. They're made fun of and probably called poor. They're constantly asked why their parents won't give them a cell phone. They're made fun of for being the kid without a cell phone, get a few terrible nick names made for them.

Seriously, that's a terrible reason to do something. I have to give my child everything everyone else has because they might get bullied or called poor? Besides, strong, confident individuals are rarely the target of bullying, at least not for long.

This reminds me of when I was back in high school and we had a drug search in the middle of class. My teacher said "my child would never do anything like that." Half way through the search she got a call on the phone. They had found weed in his locker. Point is you can do an amazing job raising your kid, but there's no way in knowing if they indulge in the same activities as the other kids in school. Your child is human and will make mistakes, no mater how amazing of a job you did as a parent.

Teacher was being naive. Of course your child may make mistakes but the trick is to ensure they learn from them and that there is proper punishment levied. I wasn't a complete angel growing up but I was pretty damn straight compared to most. I love and respect both of my parents to this day but they were stern and I knew that there would be consequences if I royally screwed up. (My mother was a bit like an old catholic nun: fair and loving but at the same time, just.) I never did any type of drugs or got into any trouble with the law for two reasons: fear of reprimand but mostly fear of losing their respect; I always wanted to make my parents proud.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Being easily influenced by others and being a follower is something that's established pretty early in life. You most definitely can instill a deep sense of confidence and leadership in your child at an early age so that even though they encounter outside "influences", you child will be well equipped to deal with them.

Except that in the instance where the child chooses to be influenced, for better or worse, against their parents wishes, it's them simply making a decision that may or may not be a mistake. No amount of parenting is going to guard against everything they deem to be a mistake. To set the standards of success and failure there is absurdly unrealistic.

 

[radios shipping overview]

From the article, which I don't think many people read:

Students at the school described a competitive point system that classmates used to accrue photographs. Different point values were assigned to different students. Students who collected naked photographs gained points by adding these desirable children to their collections. Isaac Stringer, a junior interviewed outside the high school who said he did not participate in the photo-sharing, called the boy with the largest collection “the pimp of pictures.”

Members of the high school football team, the Cañon City Tigers, were at the center of the sexting ring, Mr. Welsh said. On Thursday night, separate community meetings were held for parents of football players and parents of other students to address the scandal, which has shocked this quiet, semirural community of 16,000. The team was forced to forfeit its final game of the season.

This is super fucking gross behavior, on the level of the trading and hoarding that led to the Fappening mass leak, except these are kids and it's personal.

Lots of victim blaming and false equivalence going around in here. The kind of behavior described is exactly equivalent to actual child porn rings, and so charges should be pressed against those who participated in the trading and collection of pictures as part of the ring.

 

[old manatee]

I just realised this happened in Colorado. Do you think that marijuana abuse played a part?

 

[radios shipping overview]

I just realised this happened in Colorado. Do you think that marijuana abuse played a part?

Weed doesn't make people any more likely to exchange or hoard nudes.

 

[23qwerty]

I just realised this happened in Colorado. Do you think that marijuana abuse played a part?

I..

what??

you serious?

 

[Mike Works]

You prevent it by parenting.

One of the most ignorant things I've read on this forum in quite some time, and that's saying something. I read the gaming side.

 

[Nevasleep]

Not really.

This is a consent issue: You trade pics with a girl/boy, that's whatever. But then showing your friends those pics and distributing them?

That's a big no no.

And that should be punishable.

Better yet, schools need to cut these kids to the punch and educate students and sexting and the law. Teens share pics and some engage in revenge porn. That's incredibly wrong.

Somebody with common sense!

 

[FStop7]

I just realised this happened in Colorado. Do you think that marijuana abuse played a part?

All I ever want to do when I'm baked is distribute my nudes.

 

[Konka]

From the article, which I don't think many people read:



This is super fucking gross behavior, on the level of the trading and hoarding that led to the Fappening mass leak, except these are kids and it's personal.

Lots of victim blaming and false equivalence going around in here. The kind of behavior described is exactly equivalent to actual child porn rings, and so charges should be pressed against those who participated in the trading and collection of pictures as part of the ring.

How does pressing charges help anybody? All it does is ruin a bunch of lives.

 

[Stet]

I mean, I hate to dig into it too much, but until recently it was normal to be married and have kids at 14. 14 year old boys were viewed as adults and men of the family. Hell, the entire scene in American Pie of the streaming Nadia is about sharing naked high school students with friends. Society as a whole needs to deal better with the fact that yes, many of the people we consider kids are sexually active. It's not helpful to run away from it.

Just because American Pie did it doesn't make it right. The kids in the movie were pieces of shit too. I don't understand how that example helps your case.

How does pressing charges help anybody? All it does is ruin a bunch of lives.

This can be said about many crimes. It would still be stupid.

 

[TickleMeElbow]

From the article, which I don't think many people read:



This is super fucking gross behavior, on the level of the trading and hoarding that led to the Fappening mass leak, except these are kids and it's personal.

Lots of victim blaming and false equivalence going around in here. The kind of behavior described is exactly equivalent to actual child porn rings, and so charges should be pressed against those who participated in the trading and collection of pictures as part of the ring.

Yup.

The fact that 8th graders were involved is sfucked up as well. I mean, people were getting their dicks sucked/pussies fingered/having sex and shit when I was in middle/high school, but no one was collecting pictures and passing them around. That's super fucking dangerous.

 

[Lashley]

Sorry but that's a failure of parenting.

Complete bullshit mate, let's be honest.

Me and my brother were raised the exact same, exact he is easily more influenced by others than I am. Fell into the wrong crowd at school, etc etc

Has more to do with personality.

 

[Konka]

Just because American Pie did it doesn't make it right. The kids in the movie were pieces of shit too. I don't understand how that example helps your case.



This can be said about many crimes. It would still be stupid.

I don't don't believe that it's the correct action to basically end a bunch of peoples lives before they are even 18 because of some naked pictures. You give them sex offender status and their lives are basically over before they even graduated high school. I generally believe that minors should have more leeway to recover from bad decisions.

 

[Juice]

This isn't newsworthy. This is literally every school in the country.

 

[DJKhaled]

Would be hilarious if they managed to charge minors for child pornography charges.

wtf no it wouldn't