Honestly, yes this is ideal. But sometimes games need all 4 of those buttons and you do need to hover it like I described.
Plus that constant moving back and forth between em? Completely loses the support I want.
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I hate shoulder buttons. Why are they a thing?
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Honestly, yes this is ideal. But sometimes games need all 4 of those buttons and you do need to hover it like I described.
Plus that constant moving back and forth between em? Completely loses the support I want.
No, you only have your index fingers up in the shoulder area, not 4 fingers. You alternate between front and back shoulders with your index
HawthorneKitty
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Shoulda been an "Am I the only one who..."
Which games? Give us examples, because I have never found that to be the case.
What games require constant use of all 4 buttons at once? I do not think I have ever hovered all 4 buttons at once....like ever.
You have been playing games since the NES....your hands should be used to moving. Want support that is perfect for you? Get some clay and slap it on the back on the controllers and start moulding.
GatticusFinch
Member
If this controller type were ideal, why do professional gamers buy refit controllers with extra buttons relocated to the grip area, like SCUF?
PumpkinSpice
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He's not saying they require all four at once but that they make heavy use of all four buttons.
Great....then two index fingers should be more than enough....like almost all games ever.
So because "pro" gamers buy those crazy ass controllers, they should be the norm?
So? Fingers move...
I don't see him complaining that he has to move his thumbs between the analogue stick and the face buttons.
Well, maybe me and the OP have weird hands. But seeing as I have no known medical condition in my hands, it may be possible gaming controllers are comfortable for you because you've been used to their design for years and not because they're objectively the best designed they could ever be. So maybe you should be less sure anyone disagreeing with you does so because of some bodily defect.
People here take surprising offense in this topic.
My memory is not great these days so I can't tell you that (Maybe the batman games?), although I know it's been required of me in the past. Despite that, even if we take the other method of swapping the index fingers between the two, they are too far apart, no good for support. Causes the entire hand/controller to rotate down towards your stomach.
Plus the whole handheld thing where there are only bumpers. This is the worse offender.
RecursiveFault
Banned
Which games?
I personally sooner would rest my elbows on my chair or rest my controller/elbow against chest
SneakyStephan
Banned
Controllers have nowhere near enough buttons, without shoulder buttons they'd suck even harder
I am just saying that if your ring finger feels "stretched" in that position after having it in that placement for hours that is it more just becoming stiff from being in that position too long. Take a break and let your hands rest.
It is like not staring at a computer screen for to long, shit gets fatigued.
Triggers on handhelds will catch on pockets and in bags....maybe causing it to rip off. No good.
boredandlazy
Member
Not everyone. I use 4 fingers as it works best for me.
How else in FIFA are you able to sprint with one defender(holding R2) and call in help from another defender(holding R1) at the same time?
I can. And I will.
It works for me.
Do you have some deficiency, Arthritis perhaps? There are special controllers for people with reduced dexterity with their hands and fingers. I remember some kickstarter a while ago...
JimboJones
Member
I agree with handheld shoulder buttons at least on the 3DS, it can be pretty uncomfortable.
There are plastic grip shells available to improve the ergonomics which could help with that though.
There are plastic grip shells available to improve the ergonomics which could help with that though.
……forgetit
Member
You're the only person on the planet with this opinion
Yes, but tends to happen less in games that make lighter use of triggers and shoulder buttons, which makes me able to play them longer (or with much less discomfort) - So it's clear to me shoulder buttons contribute to this discomfort. Is there an alternative? I don't know, but why is everyone in this thread so quick to shut down any discussion on the topic?
People here have claimed the OP is stupid, handicapped or an alien - As if the idea that shoulder buttons are not comfortable is so unthinkable. What the hell.
GavinUK86
Member
They work fine. Why wouldn't they?
GatticusFinch
Member
They are buying them for a reason. The button layout is more efficient. How is that even debatable?
How do you use them without having your thumbs anchored into place? Move your thumbs to switch buttons and the entire thing is going to fall on you.
New bullet point:
-Now play even while lying on your back in BED!
Biggest controller innovation since the analog stick.
Enigmatic Rainbow
Member
This has never happened to me. How exactly do you hold your handhelds for this to happen?
Do you apply even the slightest bit of force when you grip anything?
Sports games, especially Fifa is the exception where you require two additional fingers up there. Pretty much every other type of game does not require them
A big chunk of my gaming is done on 3DS, and a big chunk of my 3DS gaming is on my bed, lying on my back :x No issues with shoulder buttons here.
Mac the KNife
Member
Blame the advent of 3D cameras and the right analog stick, OP. Shoulder buttons are a convenient way to allow the player to use buttons and manipulate the camera simultaneously.
Cameron122
Member
For Dark Souls, u silly t. rex!
Why is it so impressive? Nintendo *does* do usability and ergonomics studies when developing hardware....
It's probably debatable for the same reason it's debatable to use an arcade stick or not for fighters. You can do just fine without it.
Yup, totally. It would really help us understand the problem better.
Probably. You're probably just being ridiculously nitpicky.
I don't agree with you obviously. Today's controllers are quite comfortable. But even if I entertain the idea that shoulder buttons suck because you have to move your fingers a little or shift your hands a little... So what? Surely you've been playing a variety of video games with a variety of controllers for long enough that these slight shifts or changes shouldn't bother you enough to make an entire thread about it.
But yeah, just rest your index fingers on the triggers and move back and forth as needed.
So do you want shoulder buttons gone completely and just have then on the back of the controller? I am sure the console market has looked into this and it is just not as desired as you think it is.
TheGreyHulk
Member
Shoulder buttons are a must for any game with dual analog controls.
You need it so you can still have button inputs while simultaneously using both analog sticks.
Moving them to the grip would suck. The ring and pinky fingers of the average person are a lot slower than the almighty index finger in speed and reaction. Could be accidental inputs when you get in a tense moment too. The ring/pinky are naturally suited for grip of the handles.
Ive had a controller with ring finger buttons, they were terrible to use in comparison to a shoulder button because index finger speed >>>>>>> ring finger.
You need it so you can still have button inputs while simultaneously using both analog sticks.
Moving them to the grip would suck. The ring and pinky fingers of the average person are a lot slower than the almighty index finger in speed and reaction. Could be accidental inputs when you get in a tense moment too. The ring/pinky are naturally suited for grip of the handles.
Ive had a controller with ring finger buttons, they were terrible to use in comparison to a shoulder button because index finger speed >>>>>>> ring finger.
well for one, because the design is obviously not going to change for PS/Xbox
So you might as well get used to it.
Also it's clear to me that this is one of those 2%-er type issues, where you and the OP are in a very small minority. Does not mean that your "opinion" is invalid, it just means that no change will come about from it.
It's like people who vote for Ron Paul or no-name independents for US President. They are free to do so, but it does not mean the country should enact their policies just because 2% of people vote for them. Majority rules.