Summer Haze
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Oh God.....Statements like this are the worst.
Please name "All" of their prettiest exclusives that are light on gameplay.
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Oh God.....Statements like this are the worst.
Please name "All" of their prettiest exclusives that are light on gameplay.
Mr.Fletcher
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I said it on the first page but I'll say it again.
This demo is six months old. It's a preview of the same segment IGN has already previewed, twice.
This demo is six months old. It's a preview of the same segment IGN has already previewed, twice.
nkarafo
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AAA "games" everyone!
Spacecowboy77
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Exact quote was -
"I think story and visuals are very high. Gameplay is something that... it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it. We love games, but we also love telling stories, so I think story is always going to be at the top because it's what we start with. It's at the top of the pyramid and everything else supports that. I think it'd be more challenging to make a game for the gameplay's sake, then try to make a story that fits in there."
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...1886s-e3-demo-showcases-style-over-substance/
Killzone 2/3 sure had a very satisfying gunplay indeed.
gunslikewhoa
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Uncharted 4 as of now is scheduled for 2015, so yeah it will be.
Summer Haze
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See, when the quote is presented like that, in it's original form, it's much more understandable. I guess people just love to nitpick quotes and twist them to sound as bad as possible. People have agendas to push, after all.
BruceLeeRoy
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Haha what?
Yup those Gran Turismos, God of Wars, Uncharteds, and Killzones are definitely just moving slide shows
Even with the full quote people mis-interpret it for whatever reason.
PS4 has NoGaemplay
nkarafo
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It still looks pretty bad.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm more concerned about the fact that even though those enemies are extremely close, they both missed...
C'mon now...
Its not the games fault that nobody understands how to use the thermite rifle
Yes, it's coming next holiday, not before.
easy mode?
Summer Haze
Banned
Don't forget TLoU. I mean....1 1/2 hours of cut-scenes VS roughly 15 hours overall completion time (on average). Clearly the game is "light" on gameplay!
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Waits for inevitable avatar quote.
BrainZEROX
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Typical ultra easy demo/alpha/beta maybe. That wouldn't be the first game to do that.
nkarafo
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The developer still comes off like someone who'd rather make movies than games. That he'd rather work in hollywood but he is stuck in a game company. That gameplay for him is a chore, an annoying necessity that gets in the way, only because his product is labelled as a "game" and if he had the choice, he would rather not include at all.
Are these complaints about Sony games lacking in the gameplay department fanboy fodder, or actual honest posts? How do games like Last of Us, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, Demon Soul's, Motorstorm, Killzone, Tearaway, God of War, Wipeout, Journey, Resogun etc, lack in the gameplay department exactly? Do people actually believe many of them are highly critically acclaimed and well received on their graphics alone? I get the feeling some think that having better graphics automatically means you're lacking in gameplay, or that more emphasis on narrative or characters also automatically means worse gameplay. It doesn't.
Summer Haze
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I disagree. We can't judge all games the same way. RAD clearly think that, with their game, gameplay should compliment the story, not the other way around.
I'm not saying that's the right choice, because people have different tastes and expectations, but it's not wrong either. With this game specifically, I agree with the devs choice. If this was Sunset Overdrive, for example, I would disagree, because that game looks like gameplay is the main focus, and is built around the gameplay.
In short: all games are different, and devs will make the game they want to make.
god of war and gran turismo clearly.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I've been playing a lot of last of us. Or halo. Even on easy they hit me if i'm that close to them.
Yeah I know all about demos being easier for the general public. Just worrying. At least the shotty-boo-botty looks like it has a lot of punch.
Haha, so only the gameplay of a videogame worries you? Should be alright then.
1.21Gigawatts
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I'd say NaughtyDog is of the same opinion.
No problem with putting story first, as long as your gameplay is very solid(or in the case of TLoU very great)
Not really. They use the story as a base/ foundation and use gameplay that best supports the kind of story. Pretty sure Naughty Dog used the same mindset with TLoU.
travisbickle
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Obviously an act of God, the devs designed divine intervention into the game.
Summer Haze
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Exactly. I see nothing wrong with using gameplay to support/compliment the rest of the game, instead of making it the priority. As long as the gameplay looks solid, which IMO it does, judging from the Gamescom gameplay trailer.
nkarafo
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Complementing the story and being shoved in because it has to, are two different things. Just because it "exists" in some form, doesn't mean that it complements the story. I guess we'll have to wait to see for sure.
Well Journey is indeed light on gameplay, so are Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, and others. And this is perfectly fine too.
Some games are more about the story, the background, the experience, the Emotion®, ... and as long as it is done properly and enjoyable, I am perfectly fine with it.
Saying that all Sony games are like that is a pure troll though (as per your list, among many others), and if The Order does seems to have a strong background and story, it still has many interesting gameplay elements - one of which being the innovative gunplay that this journalist complete failed to understand.
Since you're so sure they were forced to include gameplay, source it.
Summer Haze
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You don't just "shove" gameplay in when making a game, lol. That seriously trivialises the hard work that goes into making a game. Making gameplay a complimentary aspect to the rest of your game is not the same as shoehorning it because you feel like you have to.
Jeez....
cheezcake
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Weeeell none of those games do much original gameplay-wise. But that's just the territory that comes with massive AAA games in general and obviously isn't just a Sony thing.
TBH I find it surprising when people expect massively expensive AAA games to also completely revolutionize gameplay, it just isn't practical business-wise. And besides most AAA games find their strength in refinement and/or smart amalgamation of existing gameplay ideas.
Looked always like that to me tbh. The first gameplay footage in the theme park was incredible boring to me. The nuke launcher looked fun, but the rest. Meh.
Same for the Order tho. It looks so incredible dull gameplay-wise. I have already a inner hate against contently-placed-waist-height-walls TPS / FPS, so once I saw it was ONLY that, I lost all interest in the game whatsoever.
nkarafo
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That's what i get when i read the developer's own words:
So, what if there WAS "a way around it"?
Duxxy3
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For all of the great things that The Last of Us did, gameplay is not one of its high notes. It was OK, but it didn't do anything remotely new. The weapons did have feedback of some kind, and generally felt like they were connecting.
My problem with Sunset Overdrive is that there doesn't appear to be a goal. No mission to do this or do that, just vague sandbox stuff. Reminds me of a better dead island.
This cracked me up.
I'm not worried, though. I never noticed anything wrong with the pre-patch Uncharted 3, but I later heard that its aiming was utter garbage. Maybe I'm just a sucker for Playstation exclusives or I'm such a bad gamer that I wouldn't notice bad gameplay if it bit me in my awkwardly positioned left thumb.
All that quote really says is that they wanted to do the story first instead of creating like set pieces and slapping on a story.
Summer Haze
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Can you quote the next sentence of that quote, please.
I really think you're taking that quote the wrong way.
The same could be said for 4A and CD Projekt given the stories for their respective games came out long before the games were even a concept.
There's nothing wrong with having a strong support for story telling in games as long as there's a solid game at the core.
nkarafo
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That's what i'm saying. Instead they do story first and then slapping on gameplay elements.
I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. That's what it feels to me.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Sounds like they are still playing the same months old demo at E3.
Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Soul's etc whilst exclusives and one's published by Sony, are not actually Sony games. Quantic Dream is not Sony owned (though I do hope they buy them at some point), and I'm not sure if the IP's are even owned by Sony either.
Point is, those are two exclusives on a massive list of many. Diversity is one of Sony's greatest forte's, and I welcome the fact that they take chances with these kinds of IP's.
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