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Inafune's New KS has a Console goal to be defined post-funding.
- Thread starter JDSN
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There's still plenty of great KS games to look at though. KS will be fine.
No, this will just hurt Comcept and Inafune. He'll have a really tough time doing another kickstarter, and we all know he'll try again.
Vire
Member
No it really isn't, Kickstarter will be just fine... Bloodstained, Shenmue and Yooka Laylee just did gangbusters. People are just becoming more weary of Inafune's bullshit as evidence of the pitiful numbers this has brought in so far.
Like I said in the Red Ash thread, they should just down-scale the game to only have parts A and B of the map listed in that picture, cut some corners of the story (make the cut-scenes like the comic-esc cut-scenes form Gravity Rush for example) and release the game on PC and PS4. Then, re-set the funding goals of the Kickstarter; 1,400,000 for the entire package with no stretch goals; Ep. 1-5, the PC version and PS4 version all included in that core funding goal and nothing more or less.
Then, they could state "We are not dealing with future publishers for Red Ash; we will add the latter Episodes as free DLC to backers and for everyone else at very low prices (3-6 bucks per episode pack (with there being 3 of them). This project is our dream game and we promise you it will be the Legend you want it to be."
No bridges burned, no dealing with publishers and game is out for the consumer.
Legends 1 wasn't the largest game in the world and that was a very enjoyable adventure. Make Red Ash as big as Legends 1 and you are set for a great successor to the series.
If Inafune wants to make it a franchise like Mighty No. 9, then you have to start out small. People are pissed with how they got 'cheated' out of retail copies of the game and how it is using a publisher. People are also pissed at the Mighty No. 9 TV show and Movie deals; it paints the image of what Kyle Bossman said in his latest video; "Fat Kat"
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So, they really need to take some time and do some changes to the Kickstarter to ensure it is a success. And one way is to ensure that the game lands on a console first (likely PS4) then get ported to the others later on (X1 with Banjo/Conker cameo's and NX with some extra content).
Then, they could state "We are not dealing with future publishers for Red Ash; we will add the latter Episodes as free DLC to backers and for everyone else at very low prices (3-6 bucks per episode pack (with there being 3 of them). This project is our dream game and we promise you it will be the Legend you want it to be."
No bridges burned, no dealing with publishers and game is out for the consumer.
Legends 1 wasn't the largest game in the world and that was a very enjoyable adventure. Make Red Ash as big as Legends 1 and you are set for a great successor to the series.
If Inafune wants to make it a franchise like Mighty No. 9, then you have to start out small. People are pissed with how they got 'cheated' out of retail copies of the game and how it is using a publisher. People are also pissed at the Mighty No. 9 TV show and Movie deals; it paints the image of what Kyle Bossman said in his latest video; "Fat Kat"
. So, they really need to take some time and do some changes to the Kickstarter to ensure it is a success. And one way is to ensure that the game lands on a console first (likely PS4) then get ported to the others later on (X1 with Banjo/Conker cameo's and NX with some extra content).
Holy Order Sol
Member
Splorgenborg confirmed
IdreamofHIME
Member
I'd rather fund Bosmans fake kickstarter.
Vire
Member
How is there KS fatigue though? Bloodstained and Shenmue are literally the two most successful video game campaigns in the history of the site.
https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/games?sort=most_funded
If anything it's doing better than ever. People are thankfully just not falling for this crap and sniffing through the bullshit.
I'll edit my post out.
Do you realize that Inafune made it so that people that backed by PayPal after the MN9 KS ended would only add to the extra stretch goals if they paid more than what the game costed? Do you really think that this kind of man would do something like what you are proposing?
Wait, so they OVER charged for the game just to reach some stretch goals they missed
? .....Guess that puts things into perspective I suppose :l.
paragonpro
Banned
Does it feel like inafune is just sort of taking the kick starter market through a loop at this point? There are things that look awesome about this project, but mighty number nine isn't even out yet, this feels sort of disingenuous.
Not only that. IIRC the game costed $20 to "buy" after the KS ended. You could back by PayPal $20 but that didn't help to reach the stretch goals. You had to back for a higher tier, and it would only count the difference towards the goals (ex: if you backed $30, you contributed $10 to the goal)Wait, so they OVER charged for the game just to reach some stretch goals they missed
.....Guess that puts things into perspective I suppose :l.
This is genious.
AcademicSaucer
Member
No way is on Wii U because of the July 2017 release date , so that only leaves us with Xbox One and Playstation 4.
That's the additional little layer of silliness here:
There is only one clear choice, and they have the means to determine it themselves.
The Wii U, as a first stretch goal, should be eliminated simply by the uncertainty over the platform by 2017. It's a simple business decision.
From there, the scope of the project should only allow for either Xbox One or PS4, or both, so I assume portables and PS3/360 are out. Thus, take a basic polling of the split between code requests and pre-order numbers for the PS4 and Xbox One versions of MN9, and make an informed decision from there.
Not wanting to step on platform-holders toes is nonsense -- the whole point of crowdfunding in the first place is to avoid having to deal with these problems and concerns. If either of the platform holders that wasn't chosen have a problem with it after the decision is made
tell them to take a hike
Smaller devs have gotten farther with Microsoft, for example, by complaining and being vocal here. Nevermind someone as reliatively big in the industry as these guys.
It's a cowardly and confusing approach to choosing a platform stretch goal.
texhnolyze
Banned
I would back that.
Stallion Dan
Member
Will the even definitely go with the vote, I mean, if people majority voted Vita are they really gonna make it Vita only?
I reckon they'll just go with whoever offers a decent deal and the vote is a PR tool that serves no real purpose as far as where the game is headed. 'MS has best offer' = 'MS was most voted!"
I reckon they'll just go with whoever offers a decent deal and the vote is a PR tool that serves no real purpose as far as where the game is headed. 'MS has best offer' = 'MS was most voted!"
ShockingAlberto
Member
Then they're stuck in the bad position where they have to retain employees for X months while they lick their wounds and can restart it.
They should have secured some sort of other project to work on for a few months after MN9 went gold and then come back with Red Ash on a successful wave of good tidings from a hopefully good game.
There were just too many question marks and collar-pulls on this one.
That's an even weirder bit.
If we throw in money and vote, they will do it on that platform. Except if a platform holder contributes, of course. Then fuck your votes.
rockman zx
Member
Need clarification about this:
-Game cost $800.000
-Game plus 1 port cost $1.000.000
So porting cost $200.000?
-Game cost $800.000
-Game plus 1 port cost $1.000.000
So porting cost $200.000?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Kamiya was right.
If anything, it's the opposite -- this whole thing makes little business sense.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I'm a really pro KS kind of person, but after that Kyle Bosman skit... yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it and I can see where people are coming from.
I've got nothing but positive vibes for that game and am confident I'll enjoy it, but I don't see how Mighty No 9 can review well at this point, and not be set up to fail to atone for all these perceived slights.
I've got nothing but positive vibes for that game and am confident I'll enjoy it, but I don't see how Mighty No 9 can review well at this point, and not be set up to fail to atone for all these perceived slights.
Pureauthor
Member
It's like everything associated with MMLegends is cursed.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Take the hit. This thing has slowed down dramatically. It'll probably (barely) hit 800k, but they lost all that early kickstarter momentum. Now they are in that big lull where nothing happens for the next 2 weeks.
I guess wait to see what the console bump does. I suspect not much. If its WiiU, they'll probably be DOA. But shovel knight did ok I suppose. PS4 is probably their best bet. If that does nothing, I say cancel and come back again.
Stretch goals are not the actual cost of the stretch goal rewards. Remember that they're going to also be using extra money for the game itself.
This is probably not the case. At least from what I can tell. Comcept is not a development studio, so they don't have a ton of development staff who might be made redundant if they don't have a project to immediately jump into next. They have planning staff, but they also have a number of ongoing projects. Comcept recently announced they were working with Armature for Recore for example. MN9 is developed by Inti-Creates, and Inti-Creates has a bunch of projects lined up next - primarily Gunvolt 2 and Bloodstained. They're not involved with this Kickstarter at all.
What I think is more likely to happen is that if the KS fails or if they close it down and relaunch later, they might not be able to secure the same freelancers and contract staff which are attached to the project now. It is also possible that a studio like Hyde cannot wait around for a project to be confirmed for many months, so if this KS is a no-go, they might sign other long term subcontract work with other developers and publishers to keep busy, and Comcept will have to either wait longer for the game to go into development, or look for another development partner.
That's not how strech goals work.
I would truly like to see someone spend more than a weekend working on storyboards before launching a kickstarterWhy couldn't they wait until after Mighty No9 launched. T_T
Why couldn't they launch the anime KS *after* Red Ash was funded or not.
And now this.
Why do Legends games always get shafted.
I truly want to play this game.
Sigh.
EDIT: They really should just end the campaign then relaunch in 6 months or something
rockman zx
Member
Then how much it cost?. Why not come clean about this?, "look we need $500.000 to port it to PS4/X1, the stretch goal is there, if you want it, put the money down". I know maybe is not that simple as that but is hard to understand what are they doing.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It's the smart move to launch this before MN9 comes out.
Callibretto
Member
Use that time to make simple prototype, they have a game release soon, any copies sold are pure profit for them since the game budget have been paid from the start by fans anyway. Unless we think the game already reach all the userbase they could get from kickstarter and no one will buy it via normal methods like steam etc.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
It's a shame this game was put on KS like this. I'm not a huge traditional Mega Man fan, so Mighty No. 9 wasn't something I backed. But I love Legends, and I would love to support this...but just not like this.
Pureauthor
Member
Really smart. Look at all the millions they're (not) raking in.
otaku-asia
Member
This guy clearly doesn't have to rely on the KS community. Not backing...
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I don't hate Inafune but I feel way more let down by how Mighty No. 9 and now Red Ash were handled than I ever did for Broken Age.
ShinMaruku
Member
Exactly. People won't know the quality of MN9 so they get all the benefits and none of the draw backs.
If it sounds scummy, it is.
I don't know about that. Not having it on PS4 (or even 3DS) would seem like a dumb move, considering that both PS4 & 3DS have very large install bases worldwide.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
No thanks