As sad as this is, I can't help but laugh over how they consistently paint up Sweden as a hellhole dominated by both sharia law and radical feminism simultaneously.
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Internet Foundation in Sweden created a superb video regarding fake news
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As sad as this is, I can't help but laugh over how they consistently paint up Sweden as a hellhole dominated by both sharia law and radical feminism simultaneously.
Rentahamster
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Good video. Short and to the point.
Well yeah, which goes back to:
Well yeah, which goes back to:
Rentahamster
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Check sources and cross reference.
Ok i get it, you think Im trying to dismiss journalism as a profession, that is not what Im saying.
Im saying that this video is trying to paint alternative newsoutlets (their direct competition for views) as something that can not be looked up on or verified. It totally can If you dedicate time and ask around (as a good journalist would right?) againg im not trying to say we should take their jobs.
Im saying just let people choose the way the want to consume their news without getting guilt tripped over it, as if people are too dumb to check sources.
efyu_lemonardo
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You must have been in a long ass coma.
Not really, but you can explain what that is supposed to mean?
SenorArdilla
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Alternative media is the equivalent of alternative medicine. Both are mostly bullshit that uninformed people buy into and eat up.
efyu_lemonardo
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It means there has been an increasing number of events worldwide that demonstrate just how incapable or unwilling most people are of distinguishing between fact and propaganda.
Not when Google is putting fake news above real news: https://www.google.com/amp/www.thev...e-search-fake-news-election-results-algorithm
I don't know what events those are but I wouldn't want all news to be centralized from some government journalist group that might be 'pushing propaganda' as well. I think the news feed I have gives me a pretty accurate picture.
TyrantGuardian
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I don't get it - how is Facebook the problem here according to some of the posters in this thread? This kind (and all other kinds) of shit was shared before Facebook and will be shared after. Granted, Facebook makes it easier to do it, but the bigger issue here is people not being educated about things like confirmation bias and the fact that all human beings are extremely prone to it. This video was great, either way. I even shared it on Facebook :V
First, the video isn't showing any alt media.
Second, they don't even mention alt media in their handbook, just be critical of what you are watching.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Is it bad when I know that they used TFS's Vegeta scream in DBZA?
And this is why Trump bashed traditional media so much. Once he gets people to think that traditional media is biased or untrustworthy, they start relying on other alternative sources where the right can make up anything and pass it off as fact. He used social media to get the presidency.
ClosingADoor
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There was a lot of fake news being spread surrounding the US election for example. People from Macedonia set up their own websites and spread them through Facebook with a ton of fake stories about Donald Trump to get clicks and advertising money.
Next to that you have a ton of far right blogs going around spreading disinformation regarding the refugee crisis earlier this year in Europe. Granted, the government doesn't really do any favors here, since there are also examples of them refusing to clear up issues or give information. That is why I think government should always just give the facts instead of trying to frame it themselves in some way.
Another example is the propaganda Russia spreads. They have people going on websites to spread misinformation and run their own news agency (Russia Today) which spreads false information where it is in the interest of the Russian government.
Those things do have an impact, regardless of if they are in your personal newsfeed or not. I don't see many crimes in my neighborhood myself, but they are a problem anyway.
It's a difficult issue. I don't like the government handling the news outside of funding certain public organisations here. But it seems if we just let it be a free for all, at least the large websites like Facebook and Twitter need to take some responsibility by getting a handle on misinformation being spread through their networks.
thesoapster
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I prefer to just send a lmgtfy link. I find people appreciate that the most.
The internet should just push back against this trash. Facebook and Google need to knock some heads.
Vigilant Walrus
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I wonder about this. Trump / Brexit is a statement against the system because many peoples have terrible lives. All of the income go to the 1% and no justice was served on the heels of terrible financial recession, the worst since the great depression almost 100 years prior.
The lack of closure, compensation or justice created a whole new segment of millions and millions of people who have not felt the results of a unsatisfactory and slow recovery. This in turn leads to apathy, dessolution and contempt for the system; Politicians are corrupt and they can go fuck themselves. Trump and Brexit is the result of anger. I don't think they are elected due to fake news.
People have always sought out confirmation bias. How you feel emotionally often is much louder than how you feel rationally. Those states of being is contradictory, and so it makes perfect sense that as people lives go bad they embrace conservatism, and conservatism ideals; Limited government, less immigrants/refugees, jobs>people and the like. Uncertainty, anxiety, cynisim and seeing others as a threat to yourself and your own kin propels you to embrace right-wing ideals.
In Europe we always swing right in recessions. When the bank vaults are empty we are less likely to want to help, share and do our part to help others who are much worse off. How can Europe take these immigrants from somewhere far away? They have less than they had 10 years ago, and that reduction in quality of life and prosperity is enough to have privileged masses in the first world look away.
Regardless if you're on the right or on the left, a big number of people in either camp engage in confirming their existing biases. You youtube search "immigrant attacks" and sure enough, you get plenty of articles, and videos that are not fake news but real news represented in a bias narrative that yield anecdotal evidence.
There is a video making the rounds (still) about a Australian camera crew that gets assaulted by Syrian refugees while making a video about refugees in Sweden. < It later surfaced that those where not refugees but just swedish youths who happened to have middle eastern descent. But what does it matter? People wanted to confirmed that people of middle eastern origin are violent and will make European socities hostile. You see what you want to see.
We see that on the left too- With regards to GMOs or anti-vaccines or anti-Nuclear. We see it with health. We see it with training.
Most people are controlled psychologically by a need to feel like they understand the world and make sense. That is why we are programmed to judge preemptively. It's a survival feedback loop to assume, generalize and hypothosize that the movement in that bush over there might be a predator who can eat you, so best stay up in these trees. Cognitive dissonance is when our world view does not match our experiences.
If I've been harassed by middle eastern gangs in my neighborhood and that is the only relationship I have with people of muslim/arabic descent, there is a statistical likelihood that the trauma and angst could lead to become afraid of all people of similar ethnic and religious heritage.
A generalization about an entire group of people, which is racism. So I walk down with this belief system inside of me, and then when I see people post videos from liberal media online about how refugees and immigrants improve the economy over time and how they tend to be less violent than their native counterparts.
I dismiss those outlets or downplay their significance. I am more likely to swipe it off as "they are just social justice warriors" or "they are white knights trying to appear nice so people will suck their dick for being so noble and kind and shit". I then go to the right-media outlet. It's full of people who feel like I feel and have the same fear. It's full of people who don't make fun of me for being afraid, and that feels good.
Nobody gets a fucked up belief system on anything for shits and giggles. Nobody thinks extreme generalizing things about an entire group of people without something having happened combined with a lack of exposure to counterarguments. Many people grow up not being taught to test their beliefs, and so the presumption and stereotypes lingers.
This has nothing to do with racial or ethnic discrimination either.
Many people look down on others for many other things they do or haven't done. These people are losers, those people are annoying. All of them over there are toxic, and over there they are ignorant. If you like this you're a that, if you're into that you're a it.
There is nothing new about people saying "politicians are corrupt and greedy". That is not a novel idea, it has always been there. But Brexit / Trump was the first time where a large enough people opted out of the political system and said; Fuck all of you. Fuck the system. Fuck the institution. Give me money or fuck off. That's the main thing. That is what is happening right now.
It is dangerous to have mass cultural societies where people opt out.
If you had 40% of people who refused to pay their taxes because they opted out. If it became a general belief that IRS cheats, and that the money don't go to the state, and 40% of people just decided to stop paying taxes, it would basically halt the United States. A drop in compliance rate of the population of just 2% is over 2 trillion. It'd be devastating.
Same thing with law enforcement. If 40% or around 120-150 million people decided that the law enforcement was not worth complying to, you'd have full anarchy.
At a certain point the institutional structures that are based around a mass majority applying and following the rules gets shaken at the foundation if enough people stop following the rules.
It's really important not to blame Facebook. Facebook is just a tool and a symptom of the internet age and globalism. Everything is shared, but that also include sharing terrible things. You can spread amazing things to the entire world in moments, but also the worst of the worst. It's a double edged sword. Blaming facebook is like blaming rope.
I asked the girl down at the town square to marry me- She said no, so I went to the priest and said she was a witch. I said I saw that bitch turn a frog into a cat, and two days later she was hanging in front of the entire town. That's not ropes fault. You can remove rope, but you don't remove the purposeful incentive to seek out emotional fueled behavior.
What we've seen in the last 12-6 months is a counter-culture to 15-25 years of progressivism. There is always a counter-culture.
Some people want to go in this direction, but change is scary and jerks the knees real good. So fuck those guys, and let us go in this other direction. And then we're back like at the failure of past socialism countries who embraced fascist regimes by doing a 180 and swinging counter-culture in the opposite direction.
We tend to do complete opposite in new social, political and artistic movements because we're malleable. We push things too far for some people, and that makes people yank harder on the other end of the chain, and then you're back to the tug-of-war between both sides. We do change.
We do go to the other direction again eventually, but it tends to follow having done damage in the other direction. What other people say and feel is not nearly as important as it is for most of us to be understood and and acknowledged.
So fake news, or not fake news, I think the power comes people having already made up all their mind. Our ability to embrace places that don't challenge us or calls us out on our own beliefs is what makes the biased belief system stronger. It's not as important for us to find the truth as it is for us to be confirmed in what we want to believe.
To step outside ourselves and not subscribe to intergrouping psychology and seeing ourselves in terms of "we" and "us" and labeling people as this and that, while also allowing people to be wrong or have a bad opinion on some things, and not let a bad or unpopular or uninformed stance sum up the entire person. "He thinks that about peanut butter!?!?! Fuck everything that guy beliefs. if he is wrong about that, he is wrong about everything".
Simply put it's snobbery and judgmental, and I think it just makes everyone more divided. We need to get back to the idea that every human consists of biased views, many of which have been inherited regardless of their will. Many beliefs and ways of viewing things are given to us as children when we're not responsible.
And since no parent is perfect we are bound to grow up seeing certain things in a way that betrays a fairer representation of how it actually is. And this feeds the echo chamber.
MasterCheeze
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Bruce Springsteen
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depending on how it's used
nkarafo
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In our national television, one of the biggest channel, during the news, they showed a fan-made youtube video about a supposed Thundercats movie and they passed it as real, even though it was pretty obvious it was fake.
Some times i wonder if they are serious or just trolling the population. Although i'm sure a few thousands thought it was real.
Some times i wonder if they are serious or just trolling the population. Although i'm sure a few thousands thought it was real.
Air Zombie Meat
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One of those videos where the people that need to watch it the most won't.
Thanks. Shared this video without factchecking the Christmas lights thing.
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