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[PocoJoe]

Well, what's good about Nintendo is it's far cheaper. However, I'll still go for PS or Xbox because of their versatility, backward compatibility, and their consoles are quite solid over the past few years.

Only cheap thing on Nintendo is their hardwares cost for the company.

For consumer, Nintendo is the most expensive.

Switch costs much more than xbox/ps4(199-299€ vs switch 320-349€), almost as much as ps4 pro or even more when pro is 299€ on sale.

Their games cost 50-60€ +3 years after launch, while ps4 games are like 5-20€

Their digital sales are a joke

Their controllers cost little bit more

Only thing that is cheaper is their "online"

 

[Little Chicken]

About as likely as the rumoured holographic projector was for the Wii.

 

[Bogey]

Haha yea right..

On a more serious note, does anyone know how the switch actually compares to tablets in the 300-600 USD range? Are there tablets on par or even outperforming the switch?
Just out of curiosity. Granted,, tablets are a bit bigger too, but Wondering if Nintendo at least tried pushing the envelope a little, or if the price point is indeed all just markup

 

[CrisPy2019]

I would be shocked if any Nintendo console is the most powerful console in a generation.

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Call it how I see it.

Guess we could compare the same art style instead.

I own a switch, but you wouldn't believe ones over 12 years newer piece of kit.

I get what you mean but how about you compare LuigisMansion3 or Mario Odyssey or something? Instead of a Pokemon game and a WiiU game? And also mention 720p? Downscaled even 3DS can look awesome.

Does totally fuck up your point. Tbh. I can tell you that a 360 or PS3 looks like ass in my TV. Switch does not. Thank God for mcable.

 

[diffusionx]

Agreed with this, Nintendo used 2015 chip for Nintendo Switch in 2017.

Next Switch is probably going to use 2019-20 chip like Xavier or Orin and releasing it 2-3 year after that.

I really wish Nintendo to release a pro version of current Mariko Switch with higher CPU/GPU frequencies and better solution for thermal control.

Xavier and Orin are NOT mobile SOCs, they are designed for AI processing and autonomous vehicles. Whatever is in the Switch 2 it won’t be those. Nvidia doesn’t have a replacement for the Switch ready.

 

[Sophist]

This!

XB1 level will be good. Some of you guys are either crazy or know zero things when it comes to tech.

Sure. The Apple A12X Bionic (2018) is already better than the Xbox One S.

 

[Kagero]

Sure. The Apple A12X Bionic (2018) is already better than the Xbox One S.

No lol

 

[Diddy X]

I'm not sure if they will even aim for 4k yet

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Haha yea right..

On a more serious note, does anyone know how the switch actually compares to tablets in the 300-600 USD range? Are there tablets on par or even outperforming the switch?
Just out of curiosity. Granted,, tablets are a bit bigger too, but Wondering if Nintendo at least tried pushing the envelope a little, or if the price point is indeed all just markup

I don't think an iPad Mini 4 could run the most demanding Switch game.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

I don't think an iPad Mini 4 could run the most demanding Switch game.

In fairness, the Switch itself struggles to run some of the most demanding Switch games.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

In fairness, the Switch itself struggles to run some of the most demanding Switch games.

Touché.

 

[FireFly]

No lol

It should be in the same ballpark.

"So is the iPad Pro an Xbox One S class of GPU? Likely it is. The Xbox One S is only slightly quicker than the original Xbox One launched in 2013, and that console would struggle to achieve 1080p in games of that vintage. The Vega iGPU in the Ryzen 7 2700U offers more theoretical FLOPS than the Xbox One S, although at a higher TDP of 15-Watts, compared to the iPad Pro. In the synthetic tests, the iPad Pro scored higher than the Vega GPU, albeit at a lower precision, but regardless, there’s little doubt that the GPU in the iPad Pro is quite powerful. "

The 2018 Apple iPad Pro (11-Inch) Review: Doubling Down On Performance

www.anandtech.com

 

[10000]

I hope it could output 4k because no one in 2022++ will keep 1080p tv that long

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No.

Switch 2 will probably be about 3-4 TF.

 

[McHuj]

My expectation for Switch 2 would be double the performance of the current Switch.

GPU-wise maybe 1TF if we’re lucky in docked mode, CPU-wise a more modern quad core ARM CPU like the A72/75.

 

[policestationx]

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I get what you mean but how about you compare LuigisMansion3 or Mario Odyssey or something? Instead of a Pokemon game and a WiiU game? And also mention 720p? Downscaled even 3DS can look awesome.

Does totally fuck up your point. Tbh. I can tell you that a 360 or PS3 looks like ass in my TV. Switch does not. Thank God for mcable.

Cherry picking at its finest lol. Pick the least impressive Nintendo Switch graphics like Pokemon in lower resolution than comparing to the best Graphics of PS3 game.

Like this.

Tales of Berseria was released in 2016 and Xenoblade 2 in 2017(Torna in 2018)

 

[DonF]

maybe as powerful as a xbox one s, but with new tech like hw accelerated ray tracing or something like that.

 

[RAIDEN1]

Since the Cube era Nintendo hasn't been too bothered about the horsepower under the hood so to speak...so I don't think whatever the sequel to the Switch maybe would go toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft's latest hardware on the block..

 

[yurinka]

We should assume that right? Or is that expecting too much from Nintendo?

I'd expect that considering Nintendo typically is a generation behind the other ones aprox. in terms of horsepower, the next Nintendo console released after Switch would be comparable to base Xbox One or base PS4 than Xbox One X or PS4 Pro.

 

[Nikana]

Xavier and Orin are NOT mobile SOCs, they are designed for AI processing and autonomous vehicles. Whatever is in the Switch 2 it won’t be those. Nvidia doesn’t have a replacement for the Switch ready.

I haven't been following GPU market for awhile. Whats in the new Nvidia Shield? Is it still the Tegra?

 

[Ogbert]

Yes. It’s going to be more powerful than the 1X. I suspect it might even surpass PS5.

Definitely 4K at 60 FPS.

That way, everyone can rave about it but still go with Sony, and Nintendo can price themselves out of a market which will likely give them over 100 million sales this generation.

Air guitar.

 

[diffusionx]

I haven't been following GPU market for awhile. Whats in the new Nvidia Shield? Is it still the Tegra?

It is, if I recall correctly, the same Tegra CPU that is in the new Switch systems, Mariko or whatever they are calling it.

 

[Nikana]

It is, if I recall correctly, the same Tegra CPU that is in the new Switch systems, Mariko or whatever they are calling it.

Thats nuts. I mean it makes sense considering it does what they want it to do, but I wonder where Nintendo goes from here if Nvida isn't further developing on the Tegra Line.

 

[FStubbs]

Sure. The Apple A12X Bionic (2018) is already better than the Xbox One S.

Apple is also 2 years ahead of anybody else in mobile power.

 

[MagnesG]

You have to seriously consider the $300 price point to gauge better.

 

[Sophist]

Apple is also 2 years ahead of anybody else in mobile power.

Yes. People are not realizing how good mobile SoCs are becoming.

Benchmark (SPEC2006)	A13	Ryzen 3950X	Core 9900K
400.perlbench	51.59​	54.63​	57.98​
401.bzip2	32.04​	36.57​	35.47​
403.gcc	55.36​	57.72​	59.45​
429.mcf	60.80​	52.91​	69.57​
445.gobmk	45.24​	44.92​	40.83​
456.hmmer	47.79​	43.34​	49.67​
458.sjeng	41.11​	41.14​	46.89​
462.libquantum	128.47​	102.81​	131.89​
464.h264ref	80.09​	80.42​	80.36​
471.omnetpp	44.61​	31.88​	36.29​
473.astar	31.46​	32.79​	31.61​
483.xalancbmk	65.74​	58.02​	66.55​
433.milc	51.43​	49.32​	38.09​
444.namd	44.87​	45.92​	49.87​
450.soplex	77.23​	74.82​	80.83​
453.povray	66.52​	70.89​	82.78​
470.ibm	115.73​	126.15​	142.63​
482.sphinx3	87.86​	112.99​	99.37​

 

[FStubbs]

Thats nuts. I mean it makes sense considering it does what they want it to do, but I wonder where Nintendo goes from here if Nvida isn't further developing on the Tegra Line.

One of the stated reasons nVidia worked with Nintendo is because they didn't want consoles to be 100% AMD like Gen 8. They'll create a Tegra just for Nintendo (that could obviously be used elsewhere as well) if it comes down to it.

And if not, Snapdragon would be a suitable option.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

You should hope for PS4 level.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Yes. People are not realizing how good mobile SoCs are becoming.

Benchmark (SPEC2006)	A13	Ryzen 3950X	Core 9900K
400.perlbench	51.59​	54.63​	57.98​
401.bzip2	32.04​	36.57​	35.47​
403.gcc	55.36​	57.72​	59.45​
429.mcf	60.80​	52.91​	69.57​
445.gobmk	45.24​	44.92​	40.83​
456.hmmer	47.79​	43.34​	49.67​
458.sjeng	41.11​	41.14​	46.89​
462.libquantum	128.47​	102.81​	131.89​
464.h264ref	80.09​	80.42​	80.36​
471.omnetpp	44.61​	31.88​	36.29​
473.astar	31.46​	32.79​	31.61​
483.xalancbmk	65.74​	58.02​	66.55​
433.milc	51.43​	49.32​	38.09​
444.namd	44.87​	45.92​	49.87​
450.soplex	77.23​	74.82​	80.83​
453.povray	66.52​	70.89​	82.78​
470.ibm	115.73​	126.15​	142.63​
482.sphinx3	87.86​	112.99​	99.37​

Mobile hardware is restrict in phones by the complete absence of cooling, and the need to conserve power.

The Switch Dock really just offered cooling and power source. It was an elegant solution for Nintendo.

 

[Nikana]

One of the stated reasons nVidia worked with Nintendo is because they didn't want consoles to be 100% AMD like Gen 8. They'll create a Tegra just for Nintendo (that could obviously be used elsewhere as well) if it comes down to it.

And if not, Snapdragon would be a suitable option.

Are the GPU clusters in Qualcomm good enough to keep up?

 

[longdi]

No. Unless Nintendo can buy from Apple their soc, even so it will be around Xb1 levels.

I dont think Nvidia is doing any Turing based soc now.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Remember when the Wii U was the most powerful console on the market ?

 

[lestar]

All nintendo needs is a chipset with the same or close visual feature set of nexgen consoles', and a close enough gap in terms of raw power. Switch if roughly a 1/3 xb1 in raw power, but its chipset can do the same things, even some features that base xb1 and ps4 don't have like fp16 and tile rendering.

This gen's target resolution is 1080p, and the average AA/AAA games resolution ported to switch have been 540p portable and 720p docked. If we spect 4K target resolution for next gen, ported third party games to switch 2 could be 1/3 or 1/2 of that, 720-1080 portable and 1080-1440 docked.

So a Switch 2 with near ps4 pro raw power but with the same netxgen visual feature sets could be enough for nextgen

 

[noqtic]

expecting way too much.

it will probably be somewhere between a Wii and a PS4 Pro.

 

[Rat Rage]

Mobile hardware is restrict in phones by the complete absence of cooling, and the need to conserve power.

The Switch Dock really just offered cooling and power source. It was an elegant solution for Nintendo.

Thank you for this great inspiration for an Idea. Let's asume NIntendo does a Switch 2 (so another hybrid console with a dock). I've been thinking about how the Dock could be evolved further to make it even more useful for a potential Swich successor.

Having a dock differentiates Nintendo from mobile phones. Part of the reason why the Switch 1 gives so much attention to the Joycon (giving them features like hd rumble, gyro, special buttons to play them horizontally) is to differentiate this area (the whole area around the Switch's main body) from mobile gaming, because that's actually an area mobile phones are lacking in. Nintendo probably sees mobile gaming as more of a thread than Sony's and MSoft's next gen consoles.

So, with this in mind, the dock itself is another way of differentiating the Switch from mobile gaming, in other words, it gives Nintendo another edge in this regard, because they can have their device use more power and therefor produce more performence.

But how could they maintain this edge and even make the dock even more useful for a hypotetical Switch 2? Cooling would be a great way. Nintendo could use the dock to implement some sort of an extra cooling solution that directly works with the Switch 2. This way they could use a powerful mobile soc architecture for their portable mode and have the same chip run much faster in docked mode with extra oooling and extra power consuption.

That'd be a great and fairly simple way of further evolving the whole hybrid console concept.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Thank you for this great inspiration for an Idea. Let's asume NIntendo does a Switch 2 (so another hybrid console with a dock). I've been thinking about how the Dock could be evolved further to make it even more useful for a potential Swich successor.

Having a dock differentiates Nintendo from mobile phones. Part of the reason why the Switch 1 gives so much attention to the Joycon (giving them features like hd rumble, gyro, special buttons to play them horizontally) is to differentiate this area (the whole area around the Switch's main body) from mobile gaming, because that's actually an area mobile phones are lacking in. Nintendo probably sees mobile gaming as more of a thread than Sony's and MSoft's next gen consoles.

So, with this in mind, the dock itself is another way of differentiating the Switch from mobile gaming, in other words, it gives Nintendo another edge in this regard, because they can have their device use more power and therefor produce more performence.

But how could they maintain this edge and even make the dock even more useful for a hypotetical Switch 2? Cooling would be a great way. Nintendo could use the dock to implement some sort of an extra cooling solution that directly works with the Switch 2. This way they could use a powerful mobile soc architecture for their portable mode and have the same chip run much faster in docked mode with extra oooling and extra power consuption.

That'd be a great and fairly simple way of further evolving the whole hybrid console concept.

The dock is a Trojan Horse of sorts. A next gen switch with a 1080p OLED screen that is a uniformed construction like a Switch Lite ($250) and a Pro Dock that is built with a chipset inside ($250).

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I mean, nowhere near X in portable, but coils they increase the functionality of the dock to make it a 4k capable console on its own?