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[Dirk Benedict]

I heard that it's going to have a Rey and Rose buddy storyline, so if that's true it's well and truly fucked.

Rose was worthless in The Last Jedi. I hope that's just a baseless rumor because more Rose isn't a good thing, hell, even some people who defend the movie won't bother defending that entirely pointless subplot with her, Finn and Canto Bight.

Let's not even get started on the fight scenes. The scene where they fight the Praetorian Guard was so pathetic and made me cringe into a neatly folded quilt..
Those guards are supposed to be top tier fighters who could destroy common fighters with ease.
The fight choreography was mediocre and couldn't even hold a grain of sand to the legendary fight with Maul, Kenobi and Jin.
Although I enjoyed watching one of those guards get turned into confetti, it was a short lived reward.

Every male character in the movie seemed like bumbling idiots while their female counterparts seemed to have everything together and were extremely competent, sans Holdo's bullshit plan and how she handled things in which many ended up dying. Plot hole is large enough to swallow Russia and every bot in it.

General Hux... where to begin. I kinda liked the character being at odds with Kylo in the first movie and felt like both were competing for Snokes favor.
The Last Jedi turned him into a fool and took away from Snokes mysteriousness and the feeling he wasn't fucking around, when in fact that's all he did at the start of the movie. It was like watching space Laurel and Hardy. It blew my mind how stupid that scene was. I mean, it was just horrendously bad with misplaced humor.

It's going to take a miracle snowflake within the hottest day in hell to right this disaster... or keep, Kathleen Kennedy away from it.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I have a feeling that they are going to destroy Millenium Falcon.

nah, too much marketing potential. the ST is too conservative, now that Disney owns the brand, it's all about milking nostalgia. replacing the MF is about as likely as them coming up with a new ship design that replaced Tie Fighters. or a new loveable crew member alien type that replaces Chewbacca. it's not going to happen. they just don't have the imagination.

imo TLJ was a test case for how far they can push things, how much they can milk nostalgia, how much the movies can coast on good acting at the expense of production design, how much the meta commentary or ham fisted political points will distract people from how shitty these movies are. people groaned about another Death Star in TFA but they loved R2 replaying Leia's hologram cos it was lampshaded.

solution: keep a Marvel-style distance from the material. you can milk nostalgia so long as you are being cynical and self aware about it. marketing has already served up an appropriate target: the "toxic" fans. they can just pre-build forum debates into the movies the way they did with Luke's "Everything you said is wrong". consumerism gatekeeping 101.

of course the big problem is the OT films were painfully earnest, so this approach produces something with an entirely different spirit.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Wait is ST the same as NT? I’m losing track of the T’s

 

[kunonabi]

I'm still marvelling at the idea that the appropriate wear for when you're on the run from the Empire The First Order Is an evening gown

To be fair Mon Mothma was rocking one back in RotJ. The difference is that they didn't make her a completely unlikable twat unfit to lead with a juvenile hair color.

 

[Cato]

This. The politics were unsubtle, preachy and patronising, but they didn't wreck the movie.

Rian Johnson going out of his way to make a nonsensical film filled with idiots which displays transparent disdain for Star Wars, its universe, and its fans wrecked the movie.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Nymphae]

The fight choreography was mediocre and couldn't even hold a grain of sand to the legendary fight with Maul, Kenobi and Jin.

(Gaf needs a thumbs up emoji)

 

[Fbh]

neral Hux... where to begin. I kinda liked the character being at odds with Kylo in the first movie and felt like both were competing for Snokes favor.
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Hux is another weird and wasted character. It's a good idea on paper but the way the character is presented (and specially the casting) makes no sense.
He doesn't come across as someone with true authority, nor as a charismatic leader, nor as someone who inspires respect just based on his strenght/skill. Why is the biggest force in the galaxy being led by some guy that looks like a 20-something spoiled rich kid. And then in TLJ they don't even pretend that he isn't a joke

They should have casted someone 10 years older that can pull off a more menacing/intimidating presence

 

[zenspider]

I guess I'm in the minority here, I thought TLJ was fantastic, and hope they don't try and "rescue" the franchise from it.

I feel at worst, the table was cleared in a way that opens up possibilities, but somehow the backlash is narrowing it down to an inevitable and unsatisfying RotJ-like pandering.

 

[VulcanRaven]

nah, too much marketing potential. the ST is too conservative, now that Disney owns the brand, it's all about milking nostalgia. replacing the MF is about as likely as them coming up with a new ship design that replaced Tie Fighters. or a new loveable crew member alien type that replaces Chewbacca. it's not going to happen. they just don't have the imagination

They did kill Han and Luke. Also this might be the last time we see Millenium Falcon in the main series so they could destroy it. I don't think we see it in Episodes 10-12 if they come.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Hux is another weird and wasted character. It's a good idea on paper but the way the character is presented (and specially the casting) makes no sense.
He doesn't come across as someone with true authority, nor as a charismatic leader, nor as someone who inspires respect just based on his strenght/skill. Why is the biggest force in the galaxy being led by some guy that looks like a 20-something spoiled rich kid. And then in TLJ they don't even pretend that he isn't a joke

They should have casted someone 10 years older that can pull off a more menacing/intimidating presence

While I don't disagree, I think Hux was wasted. Another wasted potential was Phasma. I feel TLJ wasted a lot and ruined a lot.
Instead of that 30 odd minutes of Canto Blight, we should have gotten insight about Snoke and the First Order.
Kylo kills Snoke... what is he even going to inherit?? Aside from Star Killer Base, which is now destroyed, I don't see anything worth inheriting.

First Order looked like a joke in TLJ.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Wait is ST the same as NT? I’m losing track of the T’s

I think so. People call it the sequel trilogy.

 

[Hissing Sid]

It’s a done deal.

Today’s kids don’t give a fuck about Star Wars. No-one is roleplaying Rey or Finn in the playgrounds. They’re all discussing Fortnite, Minecraft, American Youtube gobshites and Roblox.

Yesterday’s kids who did give a fuck about Star Wars have been royally shit on so they no longer give a fuck about Star Wars.

Star Wars now garners zero fucks. Good luck selling Rey and Rose collectibles in the future.

Wankers.

 

[hariseldon]

It's worse than that. They might have killed all 10+ Star Wars movies in one fell swoop. I don't know if such an act of devastating stupidity has ever been done in the history of movies but I think they might have pulled it off.



That would be nice, but the time to do something like that was in the first movie, or the second. Throwing in some unknown baddie out of nowhere at the end would just reek of desperation and bad planning. Yeah I know they threw in General Grievous in Episode 3 but his existence was always hinted at as the leader of the Separatist army.

Actually doing something like that isn't without precedent in sci-fi in general - I'm thinking Asimov's foundation where The Mule arose as something out of the ordinary - a spanner in the works.

 

[VulcanRaven]

It’s a done deal.

Today’s kids don’t give a fuck about Star Wars. No-one is roleplaying Rey or Finn in the playgrounds. They’re all discussing Fortnite, Minecraft, American Youtube gobshites and Roblox.

Yesterday’s kids who did give a fuck about Star Wars have been royally shit on so they no longer give a fuck about Star Wars.

Star Wars now garners zero fucks. Good luck selling Rey and Rose collectibles in the future.

Wankers.

I'm pretty sure Episode 9 will be a big success. People will be very excited when the first trailer comes. Not all fans dislike The Last Jedi.

 

[SigEpTendo]

I'm seemingly in the minority in that I think TLJ was a vast improvement on TFA. In regards to "fixing" the trilogy, my larger concern is JJ undoing some of the story arcs, like Rey's origins, in IX.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I'm seemingly in the minority in that I think TLJ was a vast improvement on TFA. In regards to "fixing" the trilogy, my larger concern is JJ undoing some of the story arcs, like Rey's origins, in IX.

What do you mean undoing? Those are done and not very well but done.

Unless they do “it was all a day” lol

 

[SigEpTendo]

What do you mean undoing? Those are done and not very well but done.

Unless they do “it was all a day” lol

There's very little that couldn't be explained away in a different direction. Rey's origins as mentioned prior is one, but when the movies' story revolves around the Force, then characters don't even have to stay dead. As much as TFA was a "remake" of ANH, Johnson I think took risks (clearly debatable if they paid off or not) to allow IX to go in new directions. JJ has the potential to make IX more of a remake than break new ground that VIII set up.

 

[kunonabi]

There's very little that couldn't be explained away in a different direction. Rey's origins as mentioned prior is one, but when the movies' story revolves around the Force, then characters don't even have to stay dead. As much as TFA was a "remake" of ANH, Johnson I think took risks (clearly debatable if they paid off or not) to allow IX to go in new directions. JJ has the potential to make IX more of a remake than break new ground that VIII set up.

TLJ closed off way more possibilities than it opened up especially in regards to character arcs and the plot. All it really opened up was that the force is even more of a deus ex machina than it already was as rules or restraint are no longer a thing.

 

[mcz117chief]

The only way to do it is to go full Dallas. The movie would literally start with Luke waking up from a terrible nightmare which was the plot of 7 and 8. Then just do a reasonable story that takes place some years after episode 6. I can't think of any other way to fix this madness.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Let it rest for a few years, then release a film closer to the original trilogy in style and substance. Pretend everything after 1980's doesn't exist.

Disney retconned things and killed the original franchises existence instead, which is asinine. They deserve this to fail.

 

[Neff]

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

They could have had their cake and eaten it by standing their ground with a ham-fisted, one-dimensional political stance and simultaneously delivering a movie which was compelling, entertaining, and credited the viewer with at least a shred of intelligence.

But they didn't even do that.

All it really opened up was that the force is even more of a deus ex machina than it already was as rules or restraint are no longer a thing.

The entire film is one long deus ex machina.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Rose was worthless in The Last Jedi. I hope that's just a baseless rumor because more Rose isn't a good thing, hell, even some people who defend the movie won't bother defending that entirely pointless subplot with her, Finn and Canto Bight.

Let's not even get started on the fight scenes. The scene where they fight the Praetorian Guard was so pathetic and made me cringe into a neatly folded quilt..
Those guards are supposed to be top tier fighters who could destroy common fighters with ease.
The fight choreography was mediocre and couldn't even hold a grain of sand to the legendary fight with Maul, Kenobi and Jin.
Although I enjoyed watching one of those guards get turned into confetti, it was a short lived reward.

Every male character in the movie seemed like bumbling idiots while their female counterparts seemed to have everything together and were extremely competent, sans Holdo's bullshit plan and how she handled things in which many ended up dying. Plot hole is large enough to swallow Russia and every bot in it.

General Hux... where to begin. I kinda liked the character being at odds with Kylo in the first movie and felt like both were competing for Snokes favor.
The Last Jedi turned him into a fool and took away from Snokes mysteriousness and the feeling he wasn't fucking around, when in fact that's all he did at the start of the movie. It was like watching space Laurel and Hardy. It blew my mind how stupid that scene was. I mean, it was just horrendously bad with misplaced humor.

It's going to take a miracle snowflake within the hottest day in hell to right this disaster... or keep, Kathleen Kennedy away from it.

Yes, I would prefer that Rey or Leia wakes up on a bed at the start of IX and says "Well that was a horrible nightmare..." about all of Episode 8 than whatever shit we're going to get shoveled in IX. I absolutely loved VII because I feel like it brought back some Star Wars magic even if it was a tired plot line. Rian fucked it all up.

The only way to do it is to go full Dallas. The movie would literally start with Luke waking up from a terrible nightmare which was the plot of 7 and 8. Then just do a reasonable story that takes place some years after episode 6. I can't think of any other way to fix this madness.

I swear I did not read your post before mine lol...especially since you're wrong about 7.

 

[Smelck]

Nope.

But Im okay with it now. I watched the OT as a kid on release with my dad. RIP dad. Its a special set of movies for me.

Ive come to the conclusion that the ST is not meant fo me or people like me who love the OT....it okay to love 7 and 8, but Im pretty sure Disney will rue their decisions going forward.....makes me sad tbh

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Yes, I would prefer that Rey or Leia wakes up on a bed at the start of IX and says "Well that was a horrible nightmare..." about all of Episode 8 than whatever shit we're going to get shoveled in IX. I absolutely loved VII because I feel like it brought back some Star Wars magic even if it was a tired plot line. Rian fucked it all up.

It would probably piss off a lot more people if they went the nightmare route. It would just make things worse than they are now, even if the movie turned out good. It would essentially make Episodes VII and VIII(especially VIII) a waste of time to watch, going forward.

I don't think VII catches a fair shake when it comes to criticism as i felt it set the tone for the next movie quite nicely. This is all purely on Rian Johnson and Kathy's crusade to cater to demographics rather than the audience as a whole. That much is plain to see regarding how characters were handled in TLJ. When people with little to no creative talent put their fingers into the pie, then expect negative results.

If you want to see how to drive a franchise into the ground (before it's initial resurgence due to drastic measures being taken)
Look no further than to the Halloween franchise. I just recently looked at a documentary about the production process for every movie up till the 2018 release and it was telling about how the quality of each movie, after 4, went down hill.
Hint: because non-creatives were trying to call shots, sometimes multiple studio people putting fingers into the pie just to create something 'inedible'
From script rewrites on set, to removing scenes and making poor choices with regards to masks and the timing of important decisions which ultimately affected the tone of certain movies.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

If you want to see how to drive a franchise into the ground (before it's initial resurgence due to drastic measures being taken)
Look no further than to the Halloween franchise. I just recently looked at a documentary about the production process for every movie up till the 2018 release and it was telling about how the quality of each movie, after 4, went down hill.
Hint: because non-creatives were trying to call shots, sometimes multiple studio people putting fingers into the pie just to create something 'inedible'
From script rewrites on set, to removing scenes and making poor choices with regards to masks and the timing of important decisions which ultimately affected the tone of certain movies.

Didn’t a similar thing happen with Alien 3 and Alien: Ressurection; as far as studio interference?

 

[#Phonepunk#]

TLJ killed the characters set up in TFA. Finn was an interesting person, and it was a huge disservice to send him on this lame side mission. the movie starts up and he is emasculated, in this dumb leaky suit, then Rose acts like a demented fan over him, then she tazes him like she is a fucking cop. am i supposed to like these people?

he was trying to escape the ship and help his friend, also a war hero, who is trying to find the one person whose importance TFA's intro crawl couldn't shut up about. is that bad? Han Solo was a shifty smuggler, who after one rescue mission was sent off with a ton of money and no questions asked at the end of Star Wars. but Finn helped personally blow up something 10x bigger than the Death Star, yet he has to prove himself again. he is a stormtrooper (an interesting plotline setup in TFA), likely taken from his family and forced into a life of service, yet he has to learn about slavery from some chimney sweep Disney TV kid going "yippie!" as a CGI monster gets saved. yes, our heroes pat themselves on the back while leaving the child slaves behind! it's ok the CGI monsters got away. Canto Bight was a horrible, idiotic sequence. the "political" casino stuff and Roses's "Resistance" comments were like a millionaire telling you about revolution. just absolute trash. tbh i felt insulted. the toy commercial shit at the end, it was beyond redemption.

then there was this constant valorization of death. Rose's sister dies and it is all dramatic. Leia dies (or gets in a coma) and it is given another slow mo scene. Holdo kills herself and it's this dramatic moment, even though she is ramming into a ship carrying all of our heroes! this is not the first time our heroes drive spaceships into each other, Finn & Rose almost kill everyone flying into Crait, and Rose famously flies into Finn. because the people in Star Wars are wreckless idiots now. if anyone dies, it is ignored (Luke's response to Han, Admiral Ackbar) or made glorious. Luke's death, the most glorious, it inspired a toy commercial, right at the end of the movie. those slave children our heroes ignored while they had fun trashing a casino. great.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Didn’t a similar thing happen with Alien 3 and Alien: Ressurection; as far as studio interference?

That's probably why those two movies felt off. They weren't consistent with how good the first 2 were. At least not to me. I still enjoyed them, but the dread from the first 2 were off the charts at times. With Alien 3, I just know the studio crushed, David Fincher between a rock and a hard place. They were bothering the shit out of him for the most part.

 

[TrainedRage]

Give the fans a gritty R rated Star Wars, I don't even care at this point.

 

[mcz117chief]

I swear I did not read your post before mine lol...especially since you're wrong about 7.

No, 7 is trash too, it is a nothing movie about nobody doing nothing nowhere. They should have called it "Coincidence: The Movie".

 

[pel1300]

They really should make an Episode X. Consider it an epilogue to this new trilogy.

Have IX with a bittersweet ending...let Luke shine in it and pass the mantle to the new characters in IX.

then in 2024 we can get Episode X, which can take place about 7 or 8 years after Episode IX.....and introduce a group of young Force users between the ages of 15 -24 in addition to a 30 year old Rey and a couple other Jedi around that same age (let's say they are former Luke students who were in hiding and continuing to train after years of training under Luke......maybe they are Grey Jedi.)

Then again in Episode X...on the Dark Side you we can have the Knights of Ren with some new members. As for a big baddie...forget it...let one of the Knights of Ren grow into that big bad status...let's say the most powerful Knight of Ren who is actually a little older than Kylo who becomes the new master of the KOR if Kylo dies in IX or turns to the light side.

 

[Saruhashi]

I'm still marvelling at the idea that the appropriate wear for when you're on the run from the Empire The First Order Is an evening gown

Then the community is so straight faced and serious that you can't make fun of Holdo's appearance without getting some backlash.

Used to be it was a good laugh to acknowledge how utterly ridiculous elements of Star Wars were. Darth Vaders helemet, Leia's hair, stormtroopers that never shoot anyone, the blue milk etc etc. We still loved the movies but we could also have fun with them.

That was even more prominent with the prequels where people constantly make fun of the characters and the costumes and just about every element of the films and we have a laugh about it and then we move on. Prequel memes, anyone?

The new sequels though? Jeez, you'd better not get caught making fun of Rian Johnson's Star Wars. What are you some kind of misogynist?

Holdo's character design is every bit as laughable as anything from the prequels. She looks like a caricature of a university/college "activist".
You can't say that though. If you do say it then you must be one of those Russian Bots.

No fun allowed.

It's another way in which this trilogy cannot be saved. The media and various movie blogs/channels etc poisoned the well against critics of the movies by outright implying that if you have a problem with the films you must be an entitled man-baby.

THEN they push the idea that making fun of the films = throwing a tantrum or whatever.

Calling Rey a "Mary Sue" is a HUGE no-no even though it's kind of arguable that she is. In any case, saying "Rey is a Mary Sue" is hardly a serious crime.

So now folks are walking on eggshells around Star Wars because the wrong comment here or there could see you losing friends or being banned from places online etc. It will just end up with people thinking "why bother".

 

[Link1110]

I'm almost wondering if the next movie is gonna be Hux vs. kylo for control of the FO but Hux is literally Hitler. I mean his entire character is that he's Hitler and that's it. Trying to make the character to really anything except ordering people dead would be really dumb.

 

[hargwood]

You have to bring him back. Darth Jar Jar will rise.

 

[kunonabi]

I'm almost wondering if the next movie is gonna be Hux vs. kylo for control of the FO but Hux is literally Hitler. I mean his entire character is that he's Hitler and that's it. Trying to make the character to really anything except ordering people dead would be really dumb.

They cant even do that since TLJ shat all over Hux making it impossible to take him seriously going forward.

 

[pel1300]

They cant even do that since TLJ shat all over Hux making it impossible to take him seriously going forward.

Gleeson said Hux is making an epic comeback in IX.

Translate: He hated the depiction of Hux in TLJ and is glad Hux will not be a Space Balls character again.

 

[pel1300]

Sad that good moments in TLJ were the actors pushing for a good character moment, not the writer/director's idea:

Luke kissing Leia on the forehead - Mark's idea

Luke acknowledging Threepio - Mark pushed hard to get Rian to agree to it. The script had Luke ignoring Threepio as he passed by him.

Hux attempting to shoot Kylo before he wakes up - Gleeson's idea, he wanted audiences to remember that Hux is not a joke and can have a big impact on things going forward.

 

[kunonabi]

Sad that good moments in TLJ were the actors pushing for a good character moment, not the writer/director's idea:

Luke kissing Leia on the forehead - Mark's idea

Luke acknowledging Threepio - Mark pushed hard to get Rian to agree to it. The script had Luke ignoring Threepio as he passed by him.

Hux attempting to shoot Kylo before he wakes up - Gleeson's idea, he wanted audiences to remember that Hux is not a joke and can have a big impact on things going forward.

Johnson is such a goddamn tool.

 

[Link1110]

Is there any chance of them retconning rey's family saying kylo was lying? That was one of the worst things in TLJ for me so anything would be better there.

 

[Azurro]

I'm not a big SW fan, but the only thing I want in the sequel is that the opening sequence has an AT ST stomping Rose and an "oops" soundbite afterwards.

 

[pel1300]

Is there any chance of them retconning rey's family saying kylo was lying? That was one of the worst things in TLJ for me so anything would be better there.

I say 50% chance, after all it was JJ's intention for her lineage to be significant. Maybe he hadn't decided exactly who her parents were....but he had a general idea at least. These are the words of JJ's best friend.

 

[Laz-E-Boy]

I've never been a big Star Wars fan but I was at least curious about future plot points with TFA.

After TLJ I couldn't give less of a shit. Finn has been practically ruined, Poe is still meh, Rey is boring, Rose is lol and Hux is a big ol joke. Kylo had the potential to be the most interesting but given how he was at the end of TLJ I don't see being anything other than a one note villain who will have another fight with Rey only to once again lose said fight.

I'll just wait and see how the new movies outside the Skywalkers/Solo/Death Star plots manage. I think the Star Wars universe can be capable of so much more but for whatever reason (money) they want to stick to the same old same old.

 

[Nymphae]

Honestly I think what bugs me the most is how underutilized 3PO and R2 have been. I don't know why they feel like they have to push new hipper droids or something on us - you have an amazingly well designed and loved droid duo just sitting in the corner doing jack shit.

 

[Catphish]

Nah, you're right on, brother.

 

[Catphish]

They need to analyse ESB, realize what made it great, and lock themselves into that kind of tone.

Reverence and humility on the part of the writers and director are required here if there's any serious desire to return Star Wars to relevance.

You can't undo what's been done, but you can set a new tone going forward. Have the characters act like human beings, (not spectacularly overdone caricatures) bring back the mysterious, spiritual, and elusive nature of the force, drop the preachy overtones, return the boundaries already established in the universe, and, perhaps most importantly, have a genuine surprise in the story that not only shocks, but actually makes sense (Vader as Luke's father, Leia as Luke's sister, etc). Surprise that doesn't check out logically will get skewered at this point.

Star Wars is an institution now. Or it at least was, before the new kids thermally detonated the fucking foundations. Fans will return if amends are made because, at the end of the day, all we want are good Star Wars movies.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

They need to analyse ESB, realize what made it great, and lock themselves into that kind of tone.

the problem is they looked at ESB and just ripped the most superficial elements from it, while entirely ignoring the heart and soul. Rian Johnson stole Rose's "saving what you love" speech from an interview with Kershner taken from a Making of ESB book. the tiny portion of the interview was cropped and retweeted by him and his followers, while the surrounding context was discarded. it is hilarious how much his missed the point:

"Princess Leia's Rebel forces will not do anything in order to win. They will not sacrifice lives. They do not descend to the level of the enemy. That's the difference between the Rebels and the Empire. It's possible to fight because you love, not just because you hate."

TLJ pays bare lip service to that last line and entirely ignores what was spoken before it, as we repeatedly see rebel heroes sacrifice their lives for a victory. at this point there really is nothing separating the rebels and the empire. they will sacrifice lives to win.

 

[kunonabi]

the problem is they looked at ESB and just ripped the most superficial elements from it, while entirely ignoring the heart and soul. Rian Johnson stole Rose's "saving what you love" speech from an interview with Kershner taken from a Making of ESB book. the tiny portion of the interview was cropped and retweeted by him and his followers, while the surrounding context was discarded. it is hilarious how much his missed the point:

"Princess Leia's Rebel forces will not do anything in order to win. They will not sacrifice lives. They do not descend to the level of the enemy. That's the difference between the Rebels and the Empire. It's possible to fight because you love, not just because you hate."

TLJ pays bare lip service to that last line and entirely ignores what was spoken before it, as we repeatedly see rebel heroes sacrifice their lives for a victory. at this point there really is nothing separating the rebels and the empire. they will sacrifice lives to win.

that passage makes Rogue one extra hilarious.

But yeah it's another example of how Johnson pays lip service to things while either perverting them on purpose or just not understanding them to begin with.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

This is a very small gripe but I wouldn’t mind some better dialogue as well. I mean, “chrome dome” and “crystal critters” makes me cringe a little each time I hear Finn say them.

 

[NickFire]

At the end of the day I think if somehow Luke is alive, and he mans up and trains a new generation of Jedi while explaining that Rey was in training when Ben went ape shit and she was hidden to protect her, the series has a chance of reclaiming old glory.

Also - give us some film details on how the First Order rose up.

 

[ruvikx]

It can't be saved. At best JJ will make it a subpar Star Wars equivalent of his second Star Trek film (aka watchable with good action & special effects & quickly forgotten). But it's the characters who doom the whole oeuvre from the very beginning, i.e. Rey, Finn, Kylo & whatshisname the forgettable boring pilot are literal parodies of Star Wars characters & have zero charisma nor real-life relevance, despite Disney's best efforts to recreate the original trilogy with current-year demographics.

I mean who the hell cares whether Rey defeats Kylo in the third part of the trilogy? It'll invariably revisit old, rehashed tropes, script & ground, with either scenario (Kylo dies versus Kylo redeemed) involving reused morality & predictable behaviors. I can almost see the scenes already. That's not good. The very first mission JJ should undertake is toning down the humor & adding some real unpredictability + rock solid plot. But I won't hold my breath because Disney's checklist of items in each film guarantees certain eyebrow raising BS moments, for either political or toy marketing purposes.

 

[thequestion]

Here’s a fix: Ray is in that force cave. There is a mirror sequence that happens. ALL the events that happen after that moment are a dream or vision, Episode 9 opens with Luke going down the cave and rescuing Ray/waking her up.

Then Luke and Ray finish some training and join our heroes for the final confrontation with the first order.