Jeremy Soule, composer of Elder Scrolls soundtrack, has been accused of rape by Nathalie Lawhead

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People must speak up, without a doubt with or without evidence! Bill Cosby proves this 100%.

Otoh, engaging or supporting witch hunts is gross because it can lead to depression, suicide, etc loss of jobs etc. You just need to read some about false accusations repercussions. People seem to really like punishing each other for some reason.

So how do you know which arethe right witch hunts to be ok with and which aren't? The answer is you can’t with such limited info. I mean if it is Bill Clinton/Epstein or OJ Simpson or Bill Cosby levels of circumstantial evidence, then yeah, go nuts. But in these micro celebrity cases, i dont see how any rational person with a working conscience can tear into someone..

I do know rape is heinous and can ruin lives which is why every jurisdiction must have specialists on their police force to deal with these issues.
 
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Some guys at ERA suggested that they should sell all Elder Scrolls Skyrim copies that they own now.

I wonder … if the president of Sony gets accused of sexual harassment, does this mean they have to throw away their PlayStations?
 

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Reading through the giant wall of text from the accuser is exhausting, their attitude is toxic. The rape is thrown around in a very bizarre manner, and is largely secondary to complaints about being overworked with not enough compensation.

The length is absurd, it's a freaking thesis paper, and even though the rape is the headliner, it is barely explained or mentioned throughout their post.

I gave up on finishing after reading one too many of their email replies, the accuser is clearly incapable of seeing how abrasive their emails are. I would quit a job if I had to work with somebody like this.

If they did get raped, that's obviously awful, but they are presenting their story in a bizarre manner, making it really hard to give a shit.
I completely agree. First of all as others have mentionend: contact the fucking police and dont post your sob story on twitter.

It's written in such a weird way, too long, confusing and honestly it just makes her look gullible and stupid in regards to the business world.
 

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Some guys at ERA suggested that they should sell all Elder Scrolls Skyrim copies that they own now.

I wonder … if the president of Sony gets accused of sexual harassment, does this mean they have to throw away their PlayStations?
“Sell the copies”, have to monetize on their “outrage”.

Those broke ass losers :pie_roffles: :messenger_ok:
 
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Some guys at ERA suggested that they should sell all Elder Scrolls Skyrim copies that they own now.

I wonder … if the president of Sony gets accused of sexual harassment, does this mean they have to throw away their PlayStations?
Considering they harbour and protect paedophiles because they align with their narrative, I doubt they’d do anything that serious

They’d probably just get the CEO of Atlus fired and blame his accusations on transphobia due to Catherine.. (wow, it’s really easy to draw a long bow!)
 

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Would your mind be blown if I told you that was a dummy account used by various mods?
Woah. Must have taken some kind of coordination. The one thing I remember about that account is that it had a very peculiar way it was speaking that was also consistent across posts.

I wonder if it was some sort of text transformer in that case!
 

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Innocent till proven guilty. I don't believe a woman just for having a vagina.

I hope he isn't fired for this before they 100% prove he's guilty using a court and not this stupid outrage social justice shit.
 
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There wasn't any backtrack. It was a second person accusing him. Nathalee accused him of rape, and another person said she was also sexually harassed by him, then clarified that HERS was not rape.
Ah, ok, that makes more sense then.
 

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I'm starting to get tired of it, I'm affraid... don't think I'm strong enough to keep fighting it. Over at RE you get banned for trying and here you get piled on and dismissed as a loonie for even trying, it's exasperating.
Why do you let the people you hate dictate your behavior?
 

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And to the complete surprise of nobody, "She can't remember". Which was entirely predictable when the whole story was "He was creepy to me over dinner" *Scene missing* "He raped me". That's it. Team #Metoo gaming edition know she would not stand up to any cross examination so they sent her out first to "Inspire" Zoe Quinn who can bullshit.


"I have absolutely nothing to gain by making this up"
Well, except for the $8000 or whatever it was you feel you're owed and keep going on and on about in your post instead of detailing when, where and how this rape is supposed to have happened.
 
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I completely agree. First of all as others have mentionend: contact the fucking police and dont post your sob story on twitter.

It's written in such a weird way, too long, confusing and honestly it just makes her look gullible and stupid in regards to the business world.

The way the story is told and the medium of choice to tell it screams "LIE"
 

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More should be done to help the falsely accused. This "guilty before proven innocent" mentality many people have today is a result of thinking it can't happen to them.
That guy from the video posted earlier is doing this kickstarter - though I guess it won't get funded.

 

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Heh. PCGamer and RPS posted this news with comments disabled. Put the accusation front page, silence any dissent. Classic.

I always thought of rape as … she's walking down the street on the way home and some total stranger drags her into the alley. I guess these days the guy you've been hanging out with and spending the night with the past two months is also a rapist. Who knew.
 
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Heh. PCGamer and RPS posted this news with comments disabled. Put the accusation front page, silence any dissent. Classic.

I always thought of rape as … she's walking down the street on the way home and some total stranger drags her into the alley. I guess these days the guy you've been hanging out with and spending the night with the past two months is also a rapist. Who knew.
Rape has mostly never been that, and has instead mostly been done by people who know the victim.

Also, wanted to post this interesting article relative to the discussion since the whole "Why didn't they come forward immediately" thing keeps coming up.


A meta-analysis of 28 studies of women and girls aged 14 and older who had had non-consensual sex obtained through force, threat or incapacitation found that 60% of these victims didn’t acknowledge that they had been raped.

The stories behind the shockingly high numbers show one key reason that sexual assault often isn’t reported right away: it’s common for victims to need time to acknowledge what’s happened to them.

Labelling of unwanted sexual experiences is generally a gradual process, and one of the hallmarks of PTSD is emotional or behavioural avoidance of reminders of the trauma. In fact, 75% of the people who contact centres run by the organisation Rape Crisis England and Wales are seeking support for an assault that took place at least a year earlier.

Not only is there no link between how quickly someone reports an assault and how genuine this allegation is, but a number of social and psychological factors keep assault survivors from processing their experiences immediately.
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Worth a read as it's full of links to research articles relevant to these things.
 
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LOL #metoo is going very strong in the gaming community overall, probably the most effected right now. Crazy times man crazy...
 

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If the accusations are false, this shit can ruin someone's life. What recourse do people have who are falsely accused?

Don’t ever let anyone tell you that false allegations aren’t just as damaging as rape itself.
 

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Rape has mostly never been that, and has instead mostly been done by people who know the victim.
Probably true since they include statutory rape in the statistics. But what about the guy you've been hanging out with and spending the night over at for two months? Rapist?
 

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Probably true since they include statutory rape in the statistics. But what about the guy you've been hanging out with and spending the night over at for two months? Rapist?
I don't think it's just because of including statutory rape. Finding and raping random people at night is a lot more difficult than doing it to people you know, despite what movies suggest. Turns out people aren't wandering around places where they can be easily raped all that often, and rapists don't necessarily want to rape any random person. And it's much easier and less risky for the rapist to rape someone whom they can threaten into silence, if they have some sort of power dynamic in your relationship like being their boss.

As far as your question, I think it's straight-forward and depends entirely on whether you wanted to have sex with said person at that time. If someone says they don't want to have sex and then are forced to, that's rape regardless of having had sex 1000 times before with that person.
 
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The stupidest and saddest story I've seen.

Jeremy Soule is like the reason I still care about games at all honestly he liked invented a new kind of music.

Men make mistakes everywhere and it's very sad, but this campaign of a kind is very selective and we all know it's very obvious and very sad.

Moreover, she could just be flat out lying.

My take is kinda simple I don't know about swearing on Neogaf but it's basically Bullhicky, the whole metoo campaign and everything about it, sexual assault and everything can be anywhere from
sad to very sad to downright scary, but it's never as bad as so many other things.
 
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When you are raped by someone who also controls your livelihood and sole source of income, and you both foresee it to prepare for a way to gather evidence, and are level-headed enough after the rape to think to collect additional evidence instead of dealing with teh trauma, and then decide to go to the police despite the fact that doing so will for sure mean you are unemployed and have no income even if they do charge the guy, let me know how that works out.

Until that time, I'm happy to see these people increasingly called out on twitter and other venues.
You've kind of pigeonholed yourself into a judgment before you even encounter incidents then, haven't you?
 

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Is that what she said happened?
Not as far as I'm aware, she didn't give many details. It does sound like she says she mentioned she wanted a friendship and not a romantic relationship, and turned the guy down, but not sure what all the details are.
 
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Probably true since they include statutory rape in the statistics. But what about the guy you've been hanging out with and spending the night over at for two months? Rapist?
It doesn't matter how many times you have hung out with someone. That is the dumbest argument. I think the majority of rapes are carried about by family friends or relatives. So that doesn't matter.
 

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I know a guy who worked in a gym as a professional trainer, worked there for must have been 20 years, great guy. The kind of guy you would let make your nan a cup of tea and a cuddle.

Some woman claimed he touched her up.

Boom.

No evidence, no anything, she just comes out of nowhere and shouts it out. Investigation comes out and it turns out this woman is his ex girlfriends friends sister or some bollocks, and that she even confessed that she only said it to spite him because he had moved on from his ex and the ex was pissed.

Can you guess the outcome? Can ya?

She gets let off with a slapped wrist, and nothing more.

He lost his job, lost his family, and was called a rapist every time he went out.

And this was after the woman confessed she made it up.

In my eyes, if you fuck around about raping somebody, you need the full hammer to drop on your sick arse. But if you fuck around and say something happened when it didn’t, you equally need the full extent thrown your way. False rape claims are just as bad and life ruining as an actual event.

As for this woman/man/toaster saying what she’s said, it does seem awfully odd with the timing... and I DO love his music. But if he’s done it then fuck him. And if he didn’t, then fuck her/them/pickle just as bad.
nothing lol
 

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Why do you let the people you hate dictate your behavior?
I've never actually hated anyone in my life (except maybe myself but that is a burden we must all bear, I suppose) but even still I'm at a bit of a loss as to what you mean?
 

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I got banned from Resetera months ago because there was some fiasco with the earthworm jim creator and everyone was complaining and saying they will never play the games again because of that, I suggested can't we just enjoy a game for the game and they banned me. That place is the scariest place I have ever been to, I liked it for gaming posts but half of them are now " why can't link be a girl" or "why isn't there more genderfluid options in Mario", i'm happy to have remembered this forum. I love the ES OST and will hold judgement until its truthful, but either way I will still probably listen to the OST, same with movies where the person was accused/convicted of a crime, its a group effort.
 

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I got banned from Resetera months ago because there was some fiasco with the earthworm jim creator and everyone was complaining and saying they will never play the games again because of that, I suggested can't we just enjoy a game for the game and they banned me. That place is the scariest place I have ever been to, I liked it for gaming posts but half of them are now " why can't link be a girl" or "why isn't there more genderfluid options in Mario", i'm happy to have remembered this forum. I love the ES OST and will hold judgement until its truthful, but either way I will still probably listen to the OST, same with movies where the person was accused/convicted of a crime, its a group effort.
Bunch of snowflake, pussy, hive mind sjws over there it's sad. If you don't agree with the status quo no matter how polite you are in conveying your point you'll get band if it's the opposite. It's disgusting, immature and ridiculous. If women all of a sudden tell them men need to get it up the ass bcus it has scared some of them for life those lames will do it and smile proudly tht thy backed up a woman, any woman.
 

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I got banned from Resetera months ago because there was some fiasco with the earthworm jim creator and everyone was complaining and saying they will never play the games again because of that, I suggested can't we just enjoy a game for the game and they banned me. That place is the scariest place I have ever been to, I liked it for gaming posts but half of them are now " why can't link be a girl" or "why isn't there more genderfluid options in Mario", i'm happy to have remembered this forum. I love the ES OST and will hold judgement until its truthful, but either way I will still probably listen to the OST, same with movies where the person was accused/convicted of a crime, its a group effort.
There used to be a term for over moderation. It was called Nazi Modding. Hey look, they've become the thing they hate. Good job, Era! :)
 
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Haven't read the article yet, but seems to be a new interview and statement from Soule's lawyers at the end.
Good. Let her try to prove her claims in court instead of social media. After what happened with Alec Holowka, we need some semblance of sanity to prevail.
 

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Haven't read the article yet, but seems to be a new interview and statement from Soule's lawyers at the end.
About the specific allegations against Soule the article contains no new details and very little about the allegation. The majority of it are general talking points about the games industry culture being repeated crunch, discrimination, women have it harder, toxic gamers, platform holders should do something, no job stability and so on.

This is the gem quote for me

‘Toxic fandom has always been a problem because games ended up catering to the type of audience that is susceptible to the toxic masculinity rhetoric. A lot of work has been done over the years to expand the scope of ‘who games are for’ and what a gamer is. It’s not easy. Marginalised groups have been targeted across the spectrum, but I feel like the fact that I was able to share what I shared, without being swatted is indicative of a change.’

Yes, because swatting must be that common.
 
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About the specific allegations against Soule the article contains no new details and very little about the allegation. The majority of it are general talking points about the games industry culture being repeated crunch, discrimination, women have it harder, toxic gamers, platform holders should do something, no job stability and so on.

This is the gem quote for me

‘Toxic fandom has always been a problem because games ended up catering to the type of audience that is susceptible to the toxic masculinity rhetoric. A lot of work has been done over the years to expand the scope of ‘who games are for’ and what a gamer is. It’s not easy. Marginalised groups have been targeted across the spectrum, but I feel like the fact that I was able to share what I shared, without being swatted is indicative of a change.’

Yes, because swatting must be that common.
Sometimes I feel people in first world countries need to live a day in 3rd world countries to know what real problems are. Really pathetic.
 
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Haven't read the article yet, but seems to be a new interview and statement from Soule's lawyers at the end.
In it she detailed her experiences building ARGs (alternate reality games), for which she ended up working so much overtime she was twice hospitalised and yet, according to the email evidence she posted, she was frequently taken advantage of and eventually fired and not paid for much of her work.
Whenever I hear people complain like this, I struggle to believe them. If your work condition leaves you twice hospitalized, than quit
 
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LOL #metoo is going very strong in the gaming community overall, probably the most effected right now. Crazy times man crazy...
I heard from friends that working as a man in the gaming community right now is just constant dread. Accusations left and right. I can imagine being constantly scared of women in gaming communities because of this can be rather tiresome. I sometimes think that the subject of rape accusations will never discussed in all seriousness and just be used and abused for personal gains.
 

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Again, if her first course of action is to go on the internet and tweet about this instead of going to the police or seeking professional help (which is easier said than done because real victims of abuse and/or rape usually have trouble reaching out to people and talk about it. They usually lash out in anger or isolate themselves), this is already making me doubt what she's claiming. Moreover, it makes me angry. She deserves to be smacked down by the fact alone, that she's ridiculing all real vicitms, by abusing this topic as some sort of public "please recognize me!"-campaign.

Now, if her allegations turn out to be true, it still doesn't justify going on the internet to tweet about it. There are institutions in place for this, which are far better equipped to handle this. There's no "fight" to be fought here. Society already has procedures and institutions in place, developed over thousands of years. Yes, one could argue that they "don't work" or take "too long", but starting a lynch mob is not the solution. Instead, maybe go to university and study law so you can change the system or represent the people, you claim to fight for, in court.
 
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Whenever I hear people complain like this, I struggle to believe them. If your work condition leaves you twice hospitalized, than quit
In her email dump she inadvertently outed herself as a pain in the ass to work with.

 

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Now, if her allegations turn out to be true, it still doesn't justify going on the internet to tweet about it. There are institutions in place for this, which are far better equipped to handle this. There's no "fight" to be fought here. Society already has procedures and institutions in place, developed over thousands of years. Yes, one could argue that they "don't work" or take "too long", but starting a lynch mob is not the solution. Instead, maybe go to university and study law so you can change the system or represent the people, you claim to fight for, in court.
Laws generally change based on public opinion and not legal theory so I suspect they will change a lot more quickly if large parts of society can see the issues and they are not swept under the rug. The lynch mob is an unfortunate double-edged sword that can indiscriminately cut whoever gets near it, but real cases of abuse need visibility regardless of evidence for anything to get done.

I'm also curious, I see the line of "disservice to real victims" thrown around often. If that were true, you might guess they would mostly be siding against people who speak out without evidence. Are they mostly doing that? Are even any of them doing that?
 
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Laws generally change based on public opinion and not legal theory so I suspect they will change a lot more quickly if large parts of society can see the issues and they are not swept under the rug. The lynch mob is an unfortunate double-edged sword that can indiscriminately cut whoever gets near it, but real cases of abuse need visibility regardless of evidence for anything to get done.

I'm also curious, I see the line of "disservice to real victims" thrown around often. If that were true, you might guess they would mostly be siding against people who speak out without evidence. Are they mostly doing that? Are even any of them doing that?
I only have limited experience with people who have been victims of rape (Without wanting to go into too much detail, I know a rape victim very well and see that person regularly) and I had also limited dealings with the support group of that person, which is made up of people with similar experiences and two psychologists. The trouble and problems that they have to overcome and deal with are so basic, that shouting it out loud in public, and specifically on the internet, is the last of their intentions and worries. I had asked about this once (as tactful as I could) and was basically told that "this doesn't help repairing the damage that is done (which one person said, is basically irrepairable) and won't help avoid those things." In fact, there was a common underline of using the established institutions correctly. Many vicitms stay silent and don't go the necessary institutions (again, because they have more basic troubles to deal with). Circumventing them by shouting about it (without evidence) is seen fairly negatively by those people I have spoken to. But again, that's a limited sample size. Maybe the majority of real victims disagrees and approves of public lynchings like that. I don't, however.

So, most of them don't take any sides here (except for their own, maybe) because it's not where the battlefield is, as I understand it. And having seen how broken someone can be by being a victim of a crime like this is not only terrifying but one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever seen. I really do struggle putting it into words.

As for why people commit crimes like that, I don't know. I am not a psychologist, so I can only speculate. But I believe that rather than make everyone fear lynch mob "justice" and thus stifle any open discussions (remember, they will lynch you for even not using the correct pronouns), it is better to look at this from the long-term, IMHO: Usually some parameters in the upbringing of a perpetrator are off (maybe unstable family environment, maybe one of the parents did the same thing to the perpetrator, etc.). That's the real problem. And that's where discussion and solutions should focus on and that's what the people whom I have spoken to hinted at. Ask for the "why?" and try to fix that. But one common characteristic that I could observe was that they weren't really vengeful.

I am certainly not saying nor advocating that we should sweep the issue under the rug, far from it. What I would like to have is a reasonable environment to discuss this in, like a normal issue. You don't help anyone by entering the room screaming and pointing fingers. It is far more helpful to come in prepared, hear all the arguments, make your own arguments and try to come to a solution. And my personal belief is that this can be done within the systems that are already established.

Don't know if any of this makes sense or if this answers your question. Sorry if it doesn't.
 
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Try it. The police is generally useless about most things and companies have done a stellar job of insulating people who do these things from consequences if they are top-performers or in the leadership team.

I don't think the guy should be judged if the accuser doesn't have evidence. But I do think it's fair to talk about her experience, regardless if she does since as I said, others with evidence might be encouraged to come forward.
I think this is the most stupid thing I've seen on this forum... You are trolling right?
 

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I'm not up on the latest accusation. Is this through actual legal means? Or just Twitter?