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Jeremy Soule, composer of Elder Scrolls soundtrack, has been accused of rape by Nathalie Lawhead
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Oh hey, turns out sharing your story of being raped, even if it happened years ago and you have no evidence, can in fact help you gather the evidence you need. Who would have thought!
MagnesG
Banned
Nope, both case (except the main alleged accuser) seems solid in terms of what they say. Though of course NO RAPE happens. Quickly should run it up to police, see from there.
Bonfires Down
Member
It's certainly far from ideal to do it this way, but at this point it is extremely unlikely that she would have any evidence of the rape to show the police. Whether she did this just to get it off her chest or to find other victims, it was likely her only option. Of course, ideally there shouldn't be a witch hunt of either him or her before anything can be proven but that's not how the internet works.
She should have stuck to the rape accusation in her article though. The CEO and the others might have treated her badly, but it doesn't look like they did anything illegal.
She should have stuck to the rape accusation in her article though. The CEO and the others might have treated her badly, but it doesn't look like they did anything illegal.
Some people have been talking about Metacouncil. It's not very active though.
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DunDunDunpachi
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People who feel righteous justification in smearing strangers they've never met based on
- group affiliation (especially when the smearer is the one insisting the affiliation exists)
- mob accusations
- immutable characteristics
are brainlet scum, the very lowest of the internet's various species of scum.
- group affiliation (especially when the smearer is the one insisting the affiliation exists)
- mob accusations
- immutable characteristics
are brainlet scum, the very lowest of the internet's various species of scum.
MagnesG
Banned
She specifically said that did not being raped. She lied. A liar, and you are too with you're saying right now.
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Nah, it's more fun watching you perform mental gymnastics to justify your awful argument. She couldn't leave her job, she couldn't make a report to HR, she couldn't go to the police, she can't even describe what physically happened?
What's next?
Isn't that a different person? Isn't that person saying she wasn't raped but was harassed?
So there was a person who made a rape accusation, and another person who made an accusation of being sexually harassed by the same person. I'm not sure why you're saying someone lied, unless the Facebook account is the same as the Nathalee person.
Edit; a person corroborating the facebook post in the comments:
I remember you telling me about him back then. Here's hoping he finally faces justice for what he's done
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Errm, I need an adult! If you keep this up I'll have to post about it on Twitter.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I like beer.
That's about what I expected.
You should accuse me of rape on Twitter. That seems to be your thing
If you're first and only stop to say someone raped you is Twitter then I do not believe you. If it was raped then that's between it, him, the police and the courts.
But it knows what will happen. It will get rallied behind and supported and that mans life and career are fucked over an ACCUSATION. Not proof, not a jury decision, an accusation.
If you accuse someone of rape and can't prove it in court and win the case then your ass should be fined and sued to compensate the persons life you just ruined.
But it knows what will happen. It will get rallied behind and supported and that mans life and career are fucked over an ACCUSATION. Not proof, not a jury decision, an accusation.
If you accuse someone of rape and can't prove it in court and win the case then your ass should be fined and sued to compensate the persons life you just ruined.
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MagnesG
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That was my bad. I thought both are the same person going by the second twitter parapragh.
Regardless, I'm sure you have strong feelings to believe, and witch hunt the guy by "collecting" evidence since the main accuser still did not specify the alleged "Rape" itself - that alone can change the whole situation. At the same time, with multiple cases of mens being falsely accused after trials and the perpetrator runs free just because they are women, their lives are basically fucked. This is the type of being men want to purge, burned from stakes, and if there's any indication or even a little bit of bullshit sprinkled in you know what's gonna happen.
Though from all things that had been said he can be seen as manipulative, but again not a sex criminal. I hope you know what you're doing, and by doing so not diluting the word "Rape" itself.
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I actually don't believe in the witch hunt and if a critical mass of evidence never materializes I hope nothing bad happens to the guy and it blows over (though, I do appreciate the obvious realities of the mob mentality). That said since only like 5-10% of reported allegations of rape are false, and such a larger number of incidents just go entirely unreported, I think we're very far from a world where "Rape" as a word is being diluted.
But the fact that sharing stories CAN cause other victims to come forward, and CAN lead to evidence being discovered, is basically the reason I support sharing stories. It's basically the core of what I've been saying in this whole discussion, and now that there's two accusers, and also a third person who corroborated the second accuser, the case has grained a lot of strength despite the original accuser not saving DNA evidence for years, or whatever other absurd requirement some posters suggested. That's why it's important.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Damn, that's fucked up.
infinitys_7th
Member
Well, she wasn't assaulted, was she? What does that have to do with this claim? Most of that is really entirely acceptable, aside from the video. Who cares if he asks out every 20-something he sees?
And speaking of the video, I'd like to actually see it. She claims to have evidence, so why not show it? That's the same shit that went on with Vic Mignogna, where none of the evidence of his horrible actions ever actually surfaces, or shows someone else.
The problem is that people lose the fine details of even traumatic experiences - that is the real issue with witness testimony. Events are not necessarily fake, but the whos and wheres may not be accurately remembered.
Again, see the Vic Mignogna shit where one of the main allegations was actually based on the actions Monica Rial's pedo ex.
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nush
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Asking her out? Really? More like...
Behavior is never isolated, and always in patterns. If someone has done something once, they have probably done it many times. Plus the video if it's real. And then there's a reply in the comments by one of her friends who says she remembers hearing about it .
Could the accusations still possibly be false? Sure, in theory, but that possibility has just massively shrunk.
There's still no smoking gun though.
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infinitys_7th
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If it was real, it would have been leaked. ProJared's and Mumkey's cocks are firmly on the internet, after all.
And the possibility has not shrunk. The allegations have nothing to do with rape.
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Zog
Banned
Alleged Victim.
I wonder if the mob did as much to spread this as the initial allegations.
"I wonder" is a lie. The answer is no, isn't it?
iconmaster
Banned
A corollary is that if we were to all start accusing each other, we could uncover a great number of actual crimes.
nush
Member
sure, they just gave the initial lie more validation.
Z..
Member
Of course not, if you're arguing in semantics, which is not the case here. Every extreme has an equally extreme polar opposite, don't be disingenuous regarding my meaning, I know for a fact you're better than that.
I'm starting to get tired of it, I'm affraid... don't think I'm strong enough to keep fighting it. Over at RE you get banned for trying and here you get piled on and dismissed as a loonie for even trying, it's exasperating.
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Iorv3th
Member
Corroboration like that is less valid than circumstantial evidence. Also what is the purpose of that evidence? Is there a police report being filed? is someone actually doing an investigation?
There is a reason that police keep evidence and other things from getting out to the public until after a trial has taken place. It's the reason why jurors are selected before any of that information gets out so they can't have a 'bias'.
Now instead of having something to go on we just have a mob of believers (that believe no matter what) and a mod of disbelievers (that probably won't take her seriously no matter what evidence she now releases).
There is a way to go about things and twitter isn't it.
Do you still believe evil lore is a rapist (there was no evidence in that case either)?
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Wait...so she backtracks from saying she was raped to she was...something else entirely'd by him, and cites some anonymous account of the dude being a creep. I don't know anything about anyone in this case in particular really, but this is kind of maddeningly offensive, as a father to a little girl. If some shit ever goes down and she needs someone to believe her, I don't ever want her to be disbelieved because some dummies wanted attention and everyone starts to think people are crying wolf over this shit...but if someone says "this guy raped me! ...but by raped I mean not really and someone else said he's a creeper too!" ...I find that pretty diminishing to the meaning of rape.
This shit just makes me want to disengage from social media entirely and focus on what's in my immediate vicinity and try to enjoy life. I hope by the time my kid is old enough to give a shit, society will have cast this shit into the void and she won't have to deal with it.
Thabass
Member
Rational thinking is extremism now?
MagnesG
Banned
What is it that you actually don't believe in "the witch hunt". Please clarify in words that I don't have to ask for more.
You don't have to hope for him, it's already happening,
You appreciate the obvious realities of mob mentality. This is kinda nuts to me.
"since only like 5-10% of reported allegations are false" - I'm sure you don't know exactly the statistics, and most importantly the results of those whores' allegations. Should just feed them to dogs.
The word "Rape" being diluted is what you're seeing right now. Rape, or in this instance, a rape case should be treated seriously, with police, in court, first and foremost. She spew the word "Rape" in the same sentences of her being manipulated in work, on Twitter, with no actions whatsoever to proceed with legal cause. You bet people are gonna say "I got raped last week, yey" on Twitter in the future, with shit and giggles.
The fact that sharing alleged stories CAN also slander someone's reputation without clear evidence (because people are idiots), and CAN lead to them being scorched off from their community, got fired, lost their contracts, lost scholarships or their admittance to higher studies for younger ones , being disowned by their families, is what I'm concerned for. Do you think this is not a short-sighted move on your part? Why is it so hard to go file a police report and then if you want, go search for evidences? Go mad on Twitter?
The rational thinking is to go to the police and report.
Edit: I misunderstood your post, it is clearly sarcasm.
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The difference between me and you is that you are only considering the harm it does to people who are falsely accused. People who are raped and either aren't able to collect evidence or don't report it out of fear are the other side of the coin. Turns out their lives are also ruined, often in much worse ways.
Also, I do know the ballpark of the statistics on false allegations, and it's definitely a small minority of claims. See article I linked in previous post, even add 10% to their cited number and it will still be the vast minority.
I personally find it strange that you are against people with true accusations speaking about them regardless of whether or not they have evidence. Just because a minority of people might do a bad thing doesn't mean that somehow this should be pinned on the majority of real victims and used to silence them. It DOES suck that people abuse it, and it DOES suck the mob does what it does, but that is not the fault of real rape victims who want justice and a platform to talk about their experience - despite not collecting evidence.
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There wasn't any backtrack. It was a second person accusing him. Nathalee accused him of rape, and another person said she was also sexually harassed by him, then clarified that HERS was not rape.
danielberg
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You argument is really "some victims never get justice so its ok if people are accused of something and get their lives destroyed via social media mobs without any law involvement or proof"?
No one knows thats the fucking point, thats why she should go to the police and not to social media and muddle the entire case with fucking mobs of idiots who picks side on something with no information.
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No, my argument is that people who have been actually raped have every right to accuse their rapist publically and on any forum regardless of evidence they might have, and this right is totally independent of the fact a very small number of people will make false rape allegations to destroy people's lives.
Basically, I don't hold actual rape victims responsible for people making false allegations about rape.
Not sure why real rape victims are somehow being blamed and silenced for the behavior of bad actors. I'm only ok with people who have been actually raped of making allegations about rape, not people who haven't.
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MagnesG
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"Do you think this is not a short-sighted move on your part? Why is it so hard to go file a police report and then if you want, go search for evidences? Go mad on Twitter?" I care, and do consider everything. Rant as much as you want, but proceed with a report first.
So they aren't able to collect evidence or report it out of fear, which results to them not going to the police and filing a report? Get help from friends and families? Also, what do they have to fear if they are on the side of authorities? Jobs? Are they nuts still trying get on with the jobs, rapists on the sides? The extortion method are sooo the normal cases of working in the industry btw, naive cases men and women alike.
They ruined their lives themselves by not reporting first and getting legal supports, instead went for a whine on the twitter on ma rape, and worse, years later. Get serious and get help. If this happens to one of my relatives this case had been filed, yesterday.
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It's easy to say all the stuff you're saying when you aren't the one in the situation of being raped and also not having a support system to run to to pick up the pieces. Great for you that you have it.
But I will still refuse to silence victims who have been actually raped just because they weren't able to collect evidence while being raped. It's not their fault someone might abuse social media with false claims. It is not THEM who are doing it. They are telling the truth.
It's also easy to say what you're saying when you aren't someone who's been falsely accused and deplatformed by a social media mob.
The percentage of false claims made on social media isn't miniscule. Numerous #metoo incidents have had to be walked back afterwards.
MagnesG
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Oh you don't know the future don't you. I'm from the future btw, I'm 100% sure there's bullshit sprinkled in between the statement when Twitter court is adjourned and no, I'm absolutely not silencing them. I said go file a report then go mad on accusations. Rape is a serious word, needed to be treated seriously, with higher stakes on the courts to show the immensity of it. Both sides needs to take it serious, including the victims too. Like I said, the dilution is real based on what was happening.
But I think the solution is a world where real rape victims can speak out about it, and people making false accusations get harshly punished for it.
Not sure how we get there, but it's not by silencing real rape victims. Again, it's not their fault the mob does what it does, and silencing them for it is not the way. Instead, somehow the mob needs to be diminished.
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You are silencing them. If they don't have evidence, as is the vast majority of cases, the report won't do anything, hence they are silenced, despite the fact that they have been actually raped. You are blaming them for actions that are not their own and trying to limit their speech.
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MagnesG
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I'm not silencing them, I said go report and then go search for evidence. Get on the twitter mobs. Yes I will blame them if they don't go to the authorities, which is what their actions are. Again, stop with these pathetic narratives of me silencing them, and stop downplaying the importance of reporting, and most importantly, treat the word "rape" like how it should be.
MayauMiao
Member
Recent one with ProJared also highlight the issue of false narrative.
Ok well as long as you see it this way I think the conversation is concluded, since we're unlikely to agree as you can't possibly understand their situation from atop your high horse.
Hopefully that remains the case, and you don't find yourself in the all too common situation of choosing to report your rapist to the cops and being jobless or homeless (and still probably not getting justice, as is most often the case), or not reporting them to the cops and being blamed by MagnesG on Neogaf.
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MagnesG
Banned
Okay, you do you then. I'm sure you know what's best for people, according to you. Also I'm more on blaming the current one, not of what that were occurred in the pasts. There may be no voice of reasons back then but not now, and if you don't want to hear about it now, it's on you. A past is still a past.
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The Cockatrice
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Has Jeremy or that other dev who was accused responded yet?
It's definitely different (and therefore a whole other class of better) than ERA in that way, but he's still correct about the reaction to opposing views being pretty horrid. I miss the good ol' days.
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