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Judge sides with YouTubers Ethan and Hila Klein (h3h3) in copyright lawsuit
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disappeared
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Yup. I unsubbed a few months back and haven't seen a new video since.
But it is definitely a win for fair use. This sets a good precedent for future videos by anyone.
Mechanized
Member
And I completely forgot how much praise they were giving the dude for just doing his thing. As much of a misogynistic ego stroke as it was. They encouraged people to go view his content multiple times and didn't really talk shit about him aside from all the blatantly creepy things. It's kind of bizarre that this was what he sued them over.
part of his reasoning was that there was an overuse of his video used in their reaction video, so he felt his claim justified in that "they are making money because of my video, not because of their reaction to my video"
that's a line that 'fair use' stands on a lot of the time, and why it's fought over so much in disputes, though rarely taken to court in such a manner
usually the defendant buckles when faced with a lawsuit, and H3H3 decided not to back down
didn't seem like it, they already commented on the lawsuit outcome before then
Good win for fair use.
Did kinda hope he'd get sued over the WSJ thing. That was a fucking mess and made Ethan look like a piece of shit and he would have deserved to eat a lawsuit off the back of it. Hopefully the fact his blind stupidity left him vulnerable to that scared the hell out of him. Between that, PewDiePie and JonTron I unsubbed and never looked back.
Did kinda hope he'd get sued over the WSJ thing. That was a fucking mess and made Ethan look like a piece of shit and he would have deserved to eat a lawsuit off the back of it. Hopefully the fact his blind stupidity left him vulnerable to that scared the hell out of him. Between that, PewDiePie and JonTron I unsubbed and never looked back.
Lmao that font is amazing
Dangansona
Member
What's the deal with H3/why does their subreddit read just like a bunch of gamergaters?
WrenchNinja
Member
Because it is a bunch of gamergaters
Millennial humor, everyone.
Dude tried to pull some "traditional media is afraid of us Youtubers and fake media" garbage. Of course they would flock to him after that.
Dangansona
Member
He attempted to discredit a real journalists and promptly got told to sit the fuck down when it came out that Ethan was wrong. He was perpetuating the fake news thing on Twitter and try to play it off as a joke after WSJ proved him wrong. He's also defended racist remarks, and rails on 'SJWs' to appeal the alt-right.
He's garbage.
When you make parody and criticize videos for satire you often pick up alot of fuckwits who are in it just for the laughs and often don't understand that they themselves are the very people the videos are often making fun of. In H3H3's case it was a channel reacting to certain videos/trends and just really weird videos, often putting more way more work then typical reacts videos more analyzing of them with alot of editing and comedy added in, and criticize them but to do it in a more fun and fair go often having the very people in the videos come on and tell their side or experience
However the more they become popular they decided to keep learning to one side and crusaded against the *lying media* nick picking certain left leaning topics and were front and center for the defense of Pewdiepie while at the time being friends with JonTron. They rip apart channels that deserve to get exposed some pretty fucking horrible people...just yeah since doing certain political topics and having some questionable opinions they have picked up alot of dickheads and fallen from alot of GAFs interest.
Doctor Ironic
Member
He's defended PewDiePie and JonTron and perpetuates this "news outlets are out to get us REAL journalists who do our work here on YouTube!" bullshit
Also he's not and never has been funny
I think you are taking his boasting a little too seriously. It's a comedy channel where he wears 1000 shirts and goes grocery shopping. I don't think he considers himself a journalist.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
agreed with him not being funny
for some reason the worst people make "vlogs" and by that I mean part of that youtube celebrity sphere of shitty vine comedy
haven't really found anyone who partakes in this career that seems educated
as for h3h3 I haven't seen anything by him that has made him particularly scum but I hear in this thread he has kinda sat back during some fiascos and has held some questionable company
Let's not forget this, that was pretty vile what they did and in the end all youtubers went after him because journalist did what he did his job.
I see. shame to hear that. I didn't know he made a public opinion on Jontron, but tbh idk what else he could say considering jon helped his career out (what did he say about jon? idk what to google). I guess he probs shouldn't have said anything. I heard the WSJ thing a while back but forgot the deets. I didn't know his claims were false. I personally didn't like WSJ's article about pewdiepie, but it's a shame to see ethan get something wrong like that. He tends to do decent research on most things, and seems like a overall caring dude. Oh well no one is perfect I suppose. I can understand why some don't like him anymore.Thanks for the update though.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Right, which is why Ethan made a video trying to call out MSM about ads and sicced his stans on a reporter? Couldn't even be assed to research how ads work on the site where he fucking works. Then messing up so hard that even TotalBiscuit had to retract his support of H3H3.
Dumbass got in over his head as a YT star against MSM and tried to make a gotcha type article except, y'know, without any of the research or ethics involved in actual journalism.
Messofanego
Banned
And can't he also claim emotional damage with the amount of death threats he got because Ethan Klein targeted him?
The sad thing about this is that it really doesn't set a precedent at all. The law in the area is very well established and the judge pointing out the difference between their video and the group viewingesque video merely reiterates that, on the facts of the case, this is also quite obviously fair use.
While I'm not 100% on the jurisdiction this took place in, the fact that this was a summary judgment also means that they used the "expedited" summary trial (effectively a process meant to not be a real length trial for matters that can be settled via affidavit evidence). This would only be allowable of things were relatively straight forward.
Not trying to be a downer or anything, but anyone with any IP law knowledge would know this case was a slam dunk. Unfortunately, no case will be able to stop spurious law suits.
While I'm not 100% on the jurisdiction this took place in, the fact that this was a summary judgment also means that they used the "expedited" summary trial (effectively a process meant to not be a real length trial for matters that can be settled via affidavit evidence). This would only be allowable of things were relatively straight forward.
Not trying to be a downer or anything, but anyone with any IP law knowledge would know this case was a slam dunk. Unfortunately, no case will be able to stop spurious law suits.
NoblesseOblige
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Because his content speaks to them.
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Good on them.
Though the wallstreet journal should still sue them.
Though the wallstreet journal should still sue them.
cubicle47b
Member
Hopefully they can recoup their court costs. I'd like to see fair use and patent trolls taken to court and made to pay for it whenever possible. Giving them money to go away just encourages more bad behavior.
Oh no not totalbiscut (who the hell is he?) I seriously can't keep up with all this drama. Ethan seems like a chill dude.
And lol "ethics in journalism" this era of random nobody said something on twitter is garbage. Hilarious you complain about h3h3 brigading this journalist, that was pretty much what the WSJ did to pewdiepie.
Jesus I feel stupid even typing out these stupid names.
Doctor Ironic
Member
Ah yes, calling out a dude for being anti-semitic = brigading
you look even more stupid trying to debate this under the guise of ignorance
What Ethan did and what WSJ did are nowhere near "pretty much" the same. At all.
Aztechnology
Member
Not a very funny joke, and hugely insensitive. What, is it just another false positive, like all of his other "jokes?"
You wanna see some shit, go ahead and count all the pepes and MAGAs in the replies. It's like a fucking dog whistle masquerading as a joke.
SuperBanana
Banned
Posting a joke with a photo that's been all over the internet is a far stretch from "supporting the Nazis" and tweeting photos like he's snapping some mates at a festival.
Messofanego
Banned
That's a false equivalence. WSJ were pointing out Pewdiepie's nazi jokes past over 9 videos, they were just doing their job of reporting. Not a good time to make Nazi jokes when real Nazis are in resurgence. There was no misinformation. Ethan Klein was creating a slanderous attack against WSJ journalists based on misinformation from dubious sources.
To be fair, with what's come of Charlottesville he renounced his Nazi jokes and said he'd never associate with them again, to the intense dislike of his alt-right audience.
But that's not to say I have much faith in his word, as he's broken it before, and on the very same subject.
I'm not a fan of them either (although I just don't find them funny, nothing to do with the PewDiePie drama or whatever it was) but everybody should be cheering over this verdict.
Precedent is a powerful thing in law and this helps everybody down the road even people you may actually like on YouTube that could easily be targeted by these frivolous suits.
Precedent is a powerful thing in law and this helps everybody down the road even people you may actually like on YouTube that could easily be targeted by these frivolous suits.
You can't be serious bro.
I am. For some reason, we keep giving pewds the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe I went a bit far with him supporting them, but he keeps making these same jokes.
WSJ was right to point this out.
Doctor Ironic
Member
Actually if losing legal precedent for fair use means that reaction videos are no longer allowed I'll consider it a worthy sacrifice.
damage to 'fair use' has much larger implications than just reaction videos
it has the possibility to damage any critical analysis or review as well, and could be stretched even further
it would throw a rather large wrench into a great many debates and discussions happening online, not just the comedically intended ones