slavesnyder
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damn, this guy is too good.
Agree, building up a brand would be just the other way round...
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June 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes July 14th
- Thread starter donny2112
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How am I going to keep my 52 in 2015 up to date if I get banned? I'd rather have posting privileges then flame out.
slavesnyder
Member
People pay for GafGold. Everyone should have a passion.
Welfare
Member
I assign blame based on the kid:squid ratio. In fact I am going to start making my hardware predictions based on said ratio of how much squid:kid a PS4 has in it.
slavesnyder
Member
Don't drink and gaf.
CosmicQueso
Member
So, hey, I think you make a good point, but it's kind of drowned out by the aggressive tone and some of the anthropomorphism you're throwing on these companies. Chill, dude. We're all friends.
A company "cares" about hitting its goal numbers. Most often, a company's goals are higher for the territory in which they are located. That's due to inherent benefits of operating within a territory.
Investors don't lower prices.
I do not believe any of these things to be anywhere near remotely true. They've changed leadership, have a strategy they've been consistent on since that change, and are executing on that strategy. Whether it works or not is a different issue. But there is nothing desperate and panicked about what they're doing.
Not at all anywhere near the same situations. Different universes.
Source for the hate metric? Also, MS has never been a factor in Japan, so whatever.
Also nowhere near any semblance of truth. The Wii U was openly rejected by the market. Despite its many challenges, the Xbox One is competing in NA but well behind in EUR.
Would love to see whatever primary research data you have on this one, because this just makes no sense, even in an emotionally driven rant. People don't want thing but they're buying thing because they think it's a deal? What?
No smart company ever lets the competition dictate its strategy. Sony is a smart company.
Okay, this point I agree with. Value add bundles are the new price drops. However, you're going to see a move back to disc based HW bundles driven by GameStop pushing so hard for it.
Alright, calm down mini wheat!
Yeh. This is the post I wanted to.make but couldn't be bothered. Once again cosmic your comments are invaluable. These were the reasons I said the poster had a warped view of the market and how stuff works
On the deal part, we certainly do have some customers swayed by the immediacy of lower price. My best friend's cousin was going to get a ps4 to play games with my friend and I, but he decided to save the $50 and get an xb1.
Now he pressures my friend to sell his ps4 for an xb1, and gets pouty when my friend laughs at him. Doesn't help that my friend plays Japanese games like I do, and as such the xb1 is a very unattractive platform for him too.
It's certainly weird to see. People annoyed that others won't give up their established systems to go to the less popular one. I only had a ps3 last gen, snd I didn't push anyone to get one and sell their 360s.
Interesting, I've seen it before myself but I think it's a very small amount of people who purchased an Xbox purely because of price when they originally were looking at PS4.
Or they buy an Xbox because they don't know any better about how the PS4 is better.
Hook him up on FFXIV
How else will they get people to buy the Xbox One: All in One entertainment system, now just $349!
They can always just have a tag like Verendus's.
MrNyarlathotep
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The Xbox One did only manage 77k in May 2014 prompting those pre-E3 emergency price cuts / Kinect unbundling though.
I think it's fair to say if it hadn't it would have been outsold by an MK8 bumped WiiU in June 2014.
Not to generalize with ignorance, but having been a major proponent of Xbox all throughout OGXbox and XB360, and having been in frequent contact with the mind set, its just the unfortunate truth that Japanese brands not only don't interest a majority of consumers who buy into Xbox.
On the contrary a majority who buy Xbox are more likely to actually be repelled specifically by any non western traits and aesthetics regardless of game quality.
You bought Xbox if you were into western games specifically. It was like that with OG Xbox, it lessened somewhat with the 360's Japanese push early on(only relatively), but quickly collapsed again in later years, and i'd assume the XB1 player base to be even more in that direction than ever before considering the numbers.
I don't know if its cultural differences, simply not giving things a chance or what, but its unfortunate in my opinion.
The pricecut caused that drop to 77k, not the other way around. They announced it quite early ahead of June so consumers were aware for some time and waited.
Welfare
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Microsoft "threw away" May as they announced the price cut halfway into May.
MrNyarlathotep
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It's chicken and egg - May was down partially because they offset sales into June by announcing drastic price cut measures, but those measures were necessary because sales were on a sharply downward trajectory.
Yes, absolutely - I agree with the poster Cosmic was disputing that they were spending money to maintain marketshare.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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See you on the other side, Gentlemen^^
Firelord Chargrilled
Banned
It's not the 14th though ?
You do charts and graphs so well. Apparently not calendars though.
theprodigy
Member
more like 24 hours amirite
Gbpackers31
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I forgot last month, and I almost did again this time.
[3DS] 115k
[PS4] 315k
[WIU] 60k
[XB1] 220k
[3DS] 115k
[PS4] 315k
[WIU] 60k
[XB1] 220k
Bloody US and your weird timezones.
It's the 14th over here ok!!!! UK timezones ftw!
Welfare
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Grimgrillz
Banned
Really well put however if I may it was 70% but frequently 90% of the EU. I believe 70% was for the UK.
CosmicQueso
Member
Being behind one month and "being behind" are two different things.
They were asking far too high a price for a product few people wanted. Unbundling the Kinect was a move that had to be made.
Unlikely. Tracking the timeline of LTD announcements doesn't really put PS4 that far ahead in UK. Jim was probably just talking about mainland Europe.
Read the OP and it says the 14th at 8pm
I checked US time and saw it was 7:40pm. I checked UK date and it said the 14th.
I just assumed that made it the 14th in the US as well lol.
Jim specifically excluded the UK when talking about the majority market share that PlayStation holds in Europe. It's part of the full interview.
Sangetsu-II
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lol, beautiful excuse Zhuge 8/10!
Fanboys will be fanboys.
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Deleted member 471617
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Sorry if I pissed off or offended anyone as that definitely wasn't my intention whatsoever. In the end, I just don't think that there's any valid reason for Sony to drop the price until next year.
StrongBlackVine
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Sales are slowing down. That's enough reason by itself.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Oh shit, it's getting hot in here!
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Deleted member 471617
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True but it's the same for Xbox One. Going by the NPD threads for January to May -
January
PS4: 190k
One: 151k
February
PS4: 342k
One: 276k
March
PS4: 340k
One: 236k
April
PS4: 174k
One: 187k
May
PS4: 152k
One: 139k
Sales have declined for both consoles since February. Not like it's only PS4. And neither console has had any top tier "exclusives" since Bloodborne released back in March so the decline in sales isn't really shocking at all especially when this time of year slow and outside of late May/June with The Witcher 3 and Batman, there's really nothing until later this year. You can count re-mastered games like God of War III and Gears of War and while I see both giving their respective consoles a slight bump, it will still most likely be lower than what June is expected to be.
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Deleted member 471617
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Third party deals, losses on projects that didn't work (The Order comes to mind which is sad because I was really hoping for it to be a trilogy, oh well) and before the end of their fiscal year, im expecting them to fully update their PSN online service.
I personally don't give two craps about their online service since im a single player gamer, don't have PS+ nor do I want it and I don't play online but in general, I know that it's average at best and is in need of a severe upgrade especially when you take into account how much money Sony makes on PS+ subscriptions. I would be very surprised if they don't upgrade the service before the end of their current fiscal year.