hey_monkey
Banned
you're my favorite person for at least three hours
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Just Mafia |OT| Sometimes You Don't Need A Reason to Lynch Your Friends
- Thread starter CrimsonFist
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you're my favorite person for at least three hours
I'm aware there are shenanigans, and that's entirely my bad. Again, didn't want to psych myself out, & I ended up psyching everyone. But please understand I'm being honest. Myself, Blarg, & anyone Blarg may have saw that wasn't me (These were the "others" I was claiming might've been cleared by my actions; he couldn't have seen the arsonist or else he'd be doused & I'm sure he'd be clear if a large group targeted him last night since we can presume they're Scum) are all safe. Sadly, it seems the majority disagrees on us, which is... troubling.
Thoughts on Karkador being arsonist? Or anyone else I'm missing?
kitsunelaine
Banned
More like a self-asserted (to cover their ass) cop. Interesting that you'd frame it in such a way, though, not even entertaining the possibility of others doubting your trustworthiness.
We don't need to have votes in for 20 hours. Are you that afraid of the Town Players playing the game we signed up for?
Quite the opposite, Kit. I don't expect others to believe me, especially when some are being this aggressive. But since we're dying & all by the next day, we'll at least provide the town players with an idea of who to look at.
Specifically, the Push Leaders.
kitsunelaine
Banned
You don't expect the others to believe you, but you call yourself a "revealed cop" and attack those who do not believe you as if there's zero room for doubt. Do you not understand how contradictory these assertions are?
I know... I was hoping my plan would make me less of a target, but this escalated quickly.
It was fun until Fran started posting non-stop fallacies. Now I just feel awful for letting that happen to my own team. And I thought the reveal would clear things up, too...
Hopefully the consistency can convince people other than Kit, Fran, & Kark to change their mind. Because I'll confirm them again tonight, but I'm convinced they're threats.
hey_monkey
Banned
and a kewpie doll for the pup.
Questions:
Why do you think Blarg is Night Watch?
What do you think he saw?
Why do you think he saw it?
I know you mentioned some of this earlier but frankly it wasn't super clear.
hey_monkey
Banned
See, THIS is inconsistency. How are you going to confirm several and how again?
melonrabbit
Member
He's a magic cop.
No, I don't care to share your entire post history in this thread. I've commented enough already,
You have not made 1 productive post this game; they've all been attacking me, & not even for the reasons that make sense.
I want to just ignore you going forward. I hope the rest of the Town does the same.
Not much of a contradiction, there, pal. I know people will doubt me until that flip, but it's understandable Scum will latch onto a revealed Cop because they know the Cop's not one of theirs. Whereas I'm just "reasonable" for others, I'm a prime candidate for you.
Can you stop mimicking Fran & stop pushing onto me specifically over minor details? If you're really Town, why not look for additional Scum? Or our arsonist? You can't get any more blood from this stone.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Buddy I don't think you're a cop. I think you're scum. You assert these things about me simply because I don't believe you, and act as if the only reasons to not believe you are "They know I'm not one of theirs". The only thing I've said is that I think you're scum. You haven't done a great job at convincing me or anyone else otherwise so far.
1.) I looked at Blarg & suddenly he trusted me the next day. I was told by a friend who's into forum mafia about Night Watch, & how they see everyone who targeted them a little while back, then did a Google search after Blarg suddenly declared we're lovers. I could be wrong, but it makes sense:
2.) I think he saw everyone who used a power on him. I can't get a good read on if he saw anyone else,
3.) It's per the Night Watch power. If he's not Night Watch, then I'm baffled.
Since this morning? Definitely. This is how I play when I'm not trying to forget I'm the most important power role, trying to deflect that, or being "protected" by an avatar of chaos.
Maybe you missed this but:
I don't know what game are you playing but if we lynched scum Cewyn was because I pushed for it. So you saying that I haven't been productive is really weird.
zubz i think you would have a better shot at today if you just stopped posting o(≧▽≦o
I know, it's just... regardless of intent, Fran & Kit have successfully gotten under my skin with their logical fallacies & apparent ability to gain traction. I hate when poor arguments get support like that. I just lived through the 2016 election, after all.
I'll stop for now, but tomorrow's going to be a busy day at work; I don't know how much more I'll get in by 5 tomorrow so I have to make a stand now.
kitsunelaine
Banned
What logical fallacies? Explain.
I hate to tell you but we have been playing this game for the last 5 days so it doesn't mean much when you have been consistant in the last 15-20 hours when you have been saying a lot of thing that doesn't add up for the last 100.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Not believing you isn't a logical fallacy last I checked. Also I find it interesting how Zubz is now painting me as a leader who's managed to lead the charge against him. I thought I was a bandwagoner, now I'm a leader? What? I'm hardly responsible for the feelings against Zubz.
Poor choice of words... I'll use my powers again to confirm one.
That said, if Blarg is actually a bulletproof night watch & the Scum kills me/targets him tonight, they theoretically could all be confirmed at once...
kitsunelaine
Banned
Zubz is already setting us up as the fall men for his gambit. I would be highly suspicious of anyone trying to push votes along those lines tomorrow.
kitsunelaine
Banned
If I'm right about Zubz and he's scum and we sucsessfuly lynch him I just painted a big target on my back.
i wouldnt worry about it
fran got a scum killed and is going after zubz nonstop, and hes doing great!
I'm pretty bored so let's do Zubz roleclaims, plans and machinations part 2: Now with more Blarg:
The last one was until post 967 so let's continue after it:
Blarg says that they are lover and both of them will day together (take notes on this, will be important later):
Blarg insist that they will die together:
Now Zubz says that they are not realy lovers. He is just a cop. He claims a weird gambit that doesn't make sense (forgetting you are the cop? WTF? How that does even work?). He says he decided to check Blarg (WOW!!! Amazing coincidence!!!! What's are the odds!!!!) and that he is cleared (note that he scum readed me day 1 and keeps saying that, but he still checked Blarg, his previously claimed lover). He does find weird that Blarg claimed lovers but he decided to back up that claim because he MAY have a really weird role (Night Watch is not a common role at all. I couldn't even find it at mafiascum):
Blarg is as surprised of the reveal as the rest of us:
Here he explains why he didn't checked me and he did Blarg. Basically he went for someone hard to read (and who turns out being his watcher lover) instead of someone who he think is scum. He is sure that I'm scum, so sure that he won't use a shoot to prove it:
As I already linked Blarg and Zubz as partners during the first day (look at post 966) I asked for some explanation (just for the record I'm still waiting an answer to this):
Blarg claims that he is Bulletproof and says that both of them won't die at the same time:
Again with them not dying at the same time (the opposite of what they said less than 5 hours ago):
Blarg says that both of them have investigative roles and they can target, so they basically both claim cop (the Night Watch thing that Zubz loves to keep saying? Blarg already said that it doesn't exist):
Zubz keep saying that Blarg is a Bulletproof Night Watch (even when Blarg said another thing a couple of post before):
I called on his bullshit again (Guess what? No answer about this again):
Melon also called Zubz out for not investigating his main scum suspect as any decent cop would do:
He says the same thing as before and goes after Kark (who it seems also didn't believe day 1 but he thought it wasn't a good investigation too):
Zubz ask Monkey to protect Blarg so he can use his night action tonight (BUT if his night action is night watch, which should be a passive ability as he had described so far, how can Blarg use it. Hmmmmm.). He also said something about a revealed cop:
This.... This..... This doesn't make any kind of sense. So, if Blarg knows who targeted him, how the hell knew that Zubz was town? He won't know their target aligment or role so he would have only know that a player targeted him, either town or scum. Does claiming lover and all the shenanings make sense with that role? He also talks about a large group but I don't understand that part (If Zubz or anyone else want to clarify that you are welcomed):
Is Zubz impling that ALL the scum team would target a single player at once? Does that even make sense in any way?:
And now we can talk about consistence.
The last one was until post 967 so let's continue after it:
Blarg says that they are lover and both of them will day together (take notes on this, will be important later):
Blarg insist that they will die together:
Now Zubz says that they are not realy lovers. He is just a cop. He claims a weird gambit that doesn't make sense (forgetting you are the cop? WTF? How that does even work?). He says he decided to check Blarg (WOW!!! Amazing coincidence!!!! What's are the odds!!!!) and that he is cleared (note that he scum readed me day 1 and keeps saying that, but he still checked Blarg, his previously claimed lover). He does find weird that Blarg claimed lovers but he decided to back up that claim because he MAY have a really weird role (Night Watch is not a common role at all. I couldn't even find it at mafiascum):
Blarg is as surprised of the reveal as the rest of us:
Here he explains why he didn't checked me and he did Blarg. Basically he went for someone hard to read (and who turns out being his watcher lover) instead of someone who he think is scum. He is sure that I'm scum, so sure that he won't use a shoot to prove it:
As I already linked Blarg and Zubz as partners during the first day (look at post 966) I asked for some explanation (just for the record I'm still waiting an answer to this):
Blarg claims that he is Bulletproof and says that both of them won't die at the same time:
Again with them not dying at the same time (the opposite of what they said less than 5 hours ago):
Blarg says that both of them have investigative roles and they can target, so they basically both claim cop (the Night Watch thing that Zubz loves to keep saying? Blarg already said that it doesn't exist):
Zubz keep saying that Blarg is a Bulletproof Night Watch (even when Blarg said another thing a couple of post before):
I called on his bullshit again (Guess what? No answer about this again):
Melon also called Zubz out for not investigating his main scum suspect as any decent cop would do:
He says the same thing as before and goes after Kark (who it seems also didn't believe day 1 but he thought it wasn't a good investigation too):
Zubz ask Monkey to protect Blarg so he can use his night action tonight (BUT if his night action is night watch, which should be a passive ability as he had described so far, how can Blarg use it. Hmmmmm.). He also said something about a revealed cop:
This.... This..... This doesn't make any kind of sense. So, if Blarg knows who targeted him, how the hell knew that Zubz was town? He won't know their target aligment or role so he would have only know that a player targeted him, either town or scum. Does claiming lover and all the shenanings make sense with that role? He also talks about a large group but I don't understand that part (If Zubz or anyone else want to clarify that you are welcomed):
Is Zubz impling that ALL the scum team would target a single player at once? Does that even make sense in any way?:
And now we can talk about consistence.
hey_monkey
Banned
I also tried to look up Night Watch and came up with nothing, but I know there are varieties of Motion Detectors. But it's why I posted earlier that I don't believe that claim. As I recall, Blarg himself also didn't back it up - just said tied (and not at the same time) and bulletproof.
Blargonaut
Banned
Wow, I don't even give a refuting shit. Our inconsistencies and Zubz' own bumbling build-up to this situation, amount to all signs pointing to us telling the truths about each other now. Yet you're still chasing our shadows to this situation's stupidest end. Fine, go shoot yourselves in both feet.
Yeah, I'm seeing like 4-5 variations on a Watcher, but not one that really fits what's happening here. Blarg would of had to target Zubz with whatever ability as well, and even then most watcher roles deprive certain information from the user.
No, no. Blarg claimed cop also. He said that they shouldn't investigate the same targets, it's up there.
So we have 2 players claiming cop. Usually that mean they discuss the claims and counterclaims because one of the 2 is lying. Here both seems pals (even lovers). It doesn't seem odd?
I'm honestly not seeing how.
hey_monkey
Banned
Well, he could be a motion detector not restricted from self-targeting. I have been digging into weird roles and looking around at things because I'm considering research projects so I remembered seeing things about this in particular.
But it seems like an awful stretch for all those pieces to fall into place just so. For the targeting actions to happen, for all of it. And it still never really fell into place. Which is part of why it all seems off to me.
I dunno, I got time. I'm gonna chew on it.
Blargonaut
Banned
GAFia Town needs to learn that there come times when the chase must be abandoned for their own good. When the investors propose the optimal deal, you need to stop haggling.
hey_monkey
Banned
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Even if Zubz is a cop, he's been a pretty poor one. Just because you're one of the stronger town power roles doesn't mean you can go YOLO and play like scum, thinking you can lean on your claim to save you. It doesn't work that way.
It's like I said day one
Even if Zubz survives today, they are now scums #1 target.
weemadarthur
Member
Are you giving out more guns for the shootings of multiple people at one time?
I seriously can't keep up with the role claims you have made, and I don't know which ones you meant to be believed and which you didn't.
NeckToChicken
Unconfirmed Member
I nearly put a snide no lynch vote here, but I will bite my tongue. I'll not add that to the events of today. Instead,
Vote: Blargonaut
Sorry Blarg. I already flipped this coin, and Zubz' needs to live one more day. Kark won't get the needed momentum with this storm around the two of you.
Blargonaut
Banned
Yeah, go bite that tongue, off. You're not the logician I thought you were.
hey_monkey
Banned
How many people have just dropped out and aren't posting? Will I get tagged for that phrasing? Is there really an arsonist? Who are we even? Where are we? What is mafia?
Count the people who've promised reads, more posts, more analysis, or anything else and who haven't delivered.
Count the people who've promised reads, more posts, more analysis, or anything else and who haven't delivered.
Blargonaut
Banned
This is by far the most idiotic Thunderdome I've ever seen, you're welcome. Throw me into the trash, I'm shit and done. Recycle Zubz.
NeckToChicken
Unconfirmed Member
Logic ain't tactics. A cop on the edge should know that I've handed them the key to what I actually want.
You never seemed like the one to only take sure gambles to me anyways, homme.
kitsunelaine
Banned
I started but honestly there wasn't anything I felt like I could at. <_<;;
kitsunelaine
Banned
add. Goddammit.
If I knew we could lynch cabot in games he wasn't even in, I wouldn't have wasted so much time already!
hey_monkey
Banned
Mod has more posts than several of our players. In some cases many more. Can't shake the feeling that there's some other thing afoot.