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[C-Drive]

Is the dude at the end talking to Alfred possibly Cap. Marvel / Shazam? (if not the easy guess)

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's Superman.

 

[Veelk]

not anymore, baby!

Yeah, hopefully. Would be pretty funny if Wonder Woman was nominated the leader of the Justice League.

Is the dude at the end talking to Alfred possibly Cap. Marvel / Shazam? (if not the easy guess)

I really wish he was still called Captain Marvel. Would really mess with people's heads.

 

[DecoReturns]

Is the dude at the end talking to Alfred possibly Cap. Marvel / Shazam? (if not the easy guess)

Clark Kent.

 

[MisterHero]

You guys are still arguing over a throw-away Snyderism?

They're throwing Supes a posthumous platitude here and there to get things out of the way. They have 3 new major characters that are debuting, I doubt the film is going to linger on Clark's death for much of the runtime. The martyrism is just Zack's leftover baggage from Man of Steel that we have to deal with.

The trailer hasn't teased anything about the new status quo of the world or anything with supporting characters post-BvS. There's room to speculate.

 

[louiedog]

It's Superman.

I've been analyzing the audio and going over the lines and I've narrowed it down to either the most recognizable superhero of all time who is an important part of the Justice League that's basically guaranteed to help make a lot of money for the cinematic universe or Vibe.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That made me laugh out loud. Nice.

 

[Lokimaru]

You guys are still arguing over a throw-away Snyderism?

They're throwing Supes a posthumous platitude here and there to get things out of the way. They have 3 new major characters that are debuting, I doubt the film is going to linger on Clark's death for much of the runtime. The martyrism is just Zack's leftover baggage from Man of Steel that we have to deal with.

What about the guy in Suicide Squad selling shirts with the Superman logo on the front and Remember on the back?

 

[jmizzal]

Finally got to see the trailer, looking good

So end of the trailer is it Superman or Nightwing thats talking to Alfred

 

[Bleepey]

I'll rebut points later but I find it amusing that after Zod gave a PSA vowing genocide, destroyed a lot of Metropolis and Superman stopped him killing a family in view of cameras and witnesses people ask why do people view him as heroic. But hey, the film never says the Superman is viewed as a figure of controversy in a montage at the start of the film, the film never has Neil Degrase Tysen and some film director mention there are people who have differing opinions on him, or have a big fan monument in thanks to him, or people damn near worshiping him in Mexico!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I don't know what this is referencing but that has got to be the best freehand circle I have ever seen!

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

FULL CIRCLE

 

[Not]

Is it me or does this actually kinda look cool now?

The Wonder Woman/Joss Whedon effect: the possibility that this might actually be good.

 

[Discotheque]

Is it me or does this actually kinda look cool now?

The Wonder Woman/Joss Whedon effect: the possibility that this might actually be good.

All the stuff in here that you prolly thought looked cool was obviously already shot by Snyder foh lol

 

[Not]

Obviously. I wasn't talking about the shots themselves.

Those mean nothing if the movie is shit.

 

[IconGrist]

Obviously. I wasn't talking about the shots themselves.

Those mean nothing if the movie is shit.

What does that even mean? Looks kinda cool but not because of the shots? The shots are what you were looking at.

 

[Sblargh]

They're retconning Superman as a hero.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Anyone want to get that Darkseid is trapped in the Source Wall and there is something on Earth that Steppenwolf needs to free him?

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Bat symbol.

 

[Shoeless]

Anyone want to get that Darkseid is trapped in the Source Wall and there is something on Earth that Steppenwolf needs to free him?

I would be amazed if they actually brought the Sourcewall into it. Probably too much to hope for a Metron/Mobius Chair cameo.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

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Bat symbol.[/QUOTE]

I just see the word “sex” written in the trees.

 

[inspectah derek]

Bat symbol.

That's so Zack Snyder. I love it.

 

[Lokimaru]

I'll rebut points later but I find it amusing that after Zod gave a PSA vowing genocide, destroyed a lot of Metropolis and Superman stopped him killing a family in view of cameras and witnesses people ask why do people view him as heroic. But hey, the film never says the Superman is viewed as a figure of controversy in a montage at the start of the film, the film never has Neil Degrase Tysen and some film director mention there are people who have differing opinions on him, or have a big fan monument in thanks to him, or people damn near worshiping him in Mexico!

The Neil Degrase Tysen part is something that always gets me about DC and Comics in General. Aliens, Gods and Super Advanced Tech exist yet people just go on as Normal.

 

[Bleepey]

People were already trying to stop it, though.

Then what exactly did he do in the movie that made Wonder Woman show up? In which scene do we see Wonder Woman come out of retirement specifically because of him?

This one
where she sees the fight on the news and feels compelled to help out.

Did I say he didn't save people? I'm specifically asking how he brought out the best in people when most of Batman v Superman's plot happened because he had the opposite effect (however unintentionally).

I'm not denying that he did heroics, I'm denying that the films showed his deeds rubbing off on everyone else.

Batman was one of the antagonists throughout the film. By Superman on his deathbed pleading for his mother's life, a selfless act rather than for his own or to tell Superman to go choke on an egg or something it reminded batman of why he did what he did. It snapped Batman out of his murderous rage and reminded him of why he did what he did

I was actually sold by Cyborg in this trailer. I really liked the way he delivered the line to Alfred. His body still looks a bit weird at times, but I'm getting used to it. In terms of the actor and the approach they've taken, though, where he's like a full on robot almost, I think it's great.



I think part of the problem here is that Snyder really is not a typical Hollywood-method kind of guy. His style is very reminiscent of certain artist-driven comics and graphic novels. Where the art relays the story as much or even more than dialogue and exposition, and the reader has to fill in a few more gaps and interpret things more. A lot of the Superman stuff in BvS was like that - essentially panels with no captions and hardly any dialogue. Snyder really does think like an artist - not a writer. And I'm not saying he's always successful with what he does. But people are so used to dialogue explaining things in movies and it's not the only game in town. I happen to think Snyder's approach works really well with superheroes. See any of a thousand different comics that have used the same approach.

Still, in the trailer when Batman is referring to things that were never explicitly stated, and were sold with little more than a single shot with no dialogue at times, it can be jarring if you didn't interpret some of the images the same way. I also think the theatrical cut of BvS resulted in a lot people misinterpreting certain things.

I agree with this a lot. Look at the Martha scene if you take it at face value then you might see it as just the mother's have the same name, but if you were paying attention in the movie you'd see how logical saying his mother's name might trigger something in him. Also a lot of BVS's "plotholes" can be attributed to this too e.,g Lois and the spear, Lois knowing Doomsday is Kryptonian, Lois knowing the spear is harmful!

I'm with Bobby. The line about Superman being a hopeful figure who made people see the best in themselves made me go, "Really?"

His last two movies didn't sell me on that at all. Seems like Snyder wants to change up Superman into this 'realistic', weight-of-the-world-on-his-shoulders, moody godly figure that largely fails to capture the characteristics of the Superman you'd expect, yet all of a sudden pretend he was that guy all along?

If this is the kind of legacy you wanted his death to leave, why change him up so much in the first place? Could have just given us Superman in the first place and it would have worked out for the better.

I don't get why people don't want characters to have an arc in DC movies. I mean to give an example of Homecoming, Homecoming was basically him getting constant lessons in the impact of collateral damage. Tony Stark changes gradually from film to film. Thor becomes less of an arrogant blowhard and becomes worthy enough to lift the hammer etc etc.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that he saved billions twice, performed numerous rescues, performed numerous missions for the US government, was largely looked upon as a literal savior barring protesters in DC( if DCverse is anything like the real world, some of those protestors were probably paid by Luthor), Batman, and Luthor. Like you're ignoring almost everything about how Superman is portrayed outside of Luthor's machinations and Bruce's grudge.

Along with what, Supermans biggest conflict in these movies hasn't about whether to do the right thing or not. His conflict has been "what's the right thing when someone is as powerful as he is?"

But it's not consistent if you actually look at the scenes that showed how people reacted to Superman.

In Man of Steel, the government brings Superman to a secure facility in handcuffs because they don't trust him, and the movie ends with the government trying and failing to track Superman because they still don't trust him.

After the Bat-Jesus dream, Batman v. Superman shows how Superman's actions in the last movie earned him Batman's hatred. The movie later shows that Superman is being subjected to a government hearing (because they still don't trust him)

Only after Lex tipped the scale of public opinion regarding him.

a huge crowd protesting his presence (because they don't trust him either),

See above

Batman dreaming about Superman leading an alien invasion (because Batman doesn't trust Superman),

That was the flash giving him a warning.

and Lex Luthor aiming to kill Superman in part because he sees Superman as a legitimate threat to humanity (again, lack of trust there)

.

primarily due to Lex.

Superman even makes things worse for himself when he seemingly confirms Batman's fears by stopping Batman from fighting some criminals. Those are all scenes that drive the plot, but a montage that shows people being thankful for being rescued that ultimately never becomes relevant later on is supposed to have more of an impact? No way. You can say it is, but you'd be wrong.

The thing is despite all of Lex's machinations which by the sound of things you feel worked fantastically well in souring your opinon on him. There are people that still liked Superman. Alfred being the most notable. Senator Finch however just wanted to ask him what kind of man he'd be.

It wouldn't have been hard to show that Superman made a difference to most people, either by having the people he saved in the previous scenes come back to help him in some way or by showing a montage of how his behavior inspired people to help others or something like that.

in the movie I watched he tried to plead for the life of someone else and it lead to his archenemy turning into an ally. Jesus i am repeating myself.

It wouldn't have been hard for the movie to show that most people actually appreciated the hero, and that the people who didn't want him around were in the minority (something that Raimi's Spider-Man films were good at).

1) montage at beginning
2)

Most people were shocked and surprised he'd deface the person viewed as a god.
3)

He looks like he's getting rotten tomatoes thrown at him here doesn't it
4) Lex Luthor says throughout the film many times that he wants to change public opinion on Superman. Meaning Superman is viewed positively by most people
5) Batman talks about puff piece editorials.

If i missed any, I am sure i can find some more you may choose to ignore

Even changing the dialog in the montage where Superman saved people to be purely positive would have made a difference there, but as it is he's portrayed as highly polarizing at best. A halfway decent movie would have been able to convincingly sell Superman as a beloved hero, but MoS and BvS don't pull it off.

The fact he's polarising was the point. Look if Obama turned the US economy around, reduced the number of people who were uninsured greatly and killed the boogeyman that caused the biggest terrorist attack on US soil and he was still hated by large parts of the population then it's not out of the realm of possibility for Superman to have some people who aren't his BFF. Again I repeat, Lex Luthor said quite clearly he wanted to change public opinion and from the sounds of things he did quite well in tipping the scales of public opinion.

 

[The Driver]

The reuse of the MoS theme was put to good use here but I hope Elfman brings it and we get a taste for the next trailer. So far the DCEU films (minus SS since it was mostly licensed stuff) have had pretty good music and I'd hate for the team not to get a worthwhile main theme.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

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[Ravelle]

That's so Zack Snyder. I love it.

That's the fattest bat symbol yet.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

So I step inside the Avengers Infinity War related threads and people are nerding out(so am I), and then I head to anything Justice League related here, all I see is negativity .

Anyways, love Zack Snyder, love his work on MoS, Watchmen, BVS. The latest comic con 4 minute trailer left me amazed and obsessed. Can't take the trailer music out of my head, loving the rendition of Man of Steel score in this. The trailer was lit, just cant wait for November to arrive!

 

[strafer]

I can't even draw a stickman.

 

[BrokenFiction]

Justice League (2017) Comic Con Trailer 1080p PCM, DTS, and AC3 5.1

http://thedigitaltheater.com/index....-comic-con-trailer-1080p-pcm-dts-and-ac3-5-1/

 

[Nemesis121]

Last trailer Cyborg wasn't looking too good, but in this trailer his CGI looks almost done, you can hate his design but he looks good now..

 

[Theorry]

Some extra footage from Snapchat.

https://twitter.com/vaoaoga/status/...-ad-includes-new-batman-footage-and-dialogue/

 

[Discotheque]

Aquamans the best. Just spam his movie with a bunch of metal music while you're at it. Whoever is scoring that film should keep that in mind tbh

 

[miller.skippins]

who did this cover of 'Come Together' that's in the trailer?

 

[Bleepey]

Man of Steel Answers Insight Commentary: 54 – Justice League SDCC 2017 Trailer
https://overcast.fm/+DhdKDpoD8

I love this guys analyses and he talked about the criticisms of the new trailer.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Some extra footage from Snapchat.

https://twitter.com/vaoaoga/status/...-ad-includes-new-batman-footage-and-dialogue/

hmm no flash when they go down the elevator and meet alfred

 

[gustave154]

Superman better appear in Justice League like Spiderman did in Civil War.
JUSTICE FOR SUPERMAN!!!

 

[Finaika]

Superman better appear in Justice League like Spiderman did in Civil War.
JUSTICE FOR SUPERMAN!!!

Underoos?

 

[DrBo42]

You guys notice that Batman is looking at the hologram of a Kryptonian woman when Steppenwolf says "No Kryptonian."?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo&feature=youtu.be&t=101

Those are female legs.

 

[N7 MRP Weasel]

You guys notice that Batman is looking at the hologram of a Kryptonian woman when Steppenwolf says "No Kryptonian."?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6yBZKj-eo&feature=youtu.be&t=101

Those are female legs.

Yeah saw that picture posted a few pages back and those are some female legs, but I just cant imagine super girl or any other kryptonian showing up in this movie other than superman its so out there....

however it would be welcome

 

[DrBo42]

Yeah saw that picture posted a few pages back and those are some female legs, but I just cant imagine super girl or any other kryptonian showing up in this movie other than superman its so out there....

however it would be welcome

It's hard for me to imagine her showing up as well. Especially with Wonder Woman on the roster. At most I'm just expecting it's part of some Kryptonian data library nonsense they recover with intel on Steppenwolf. And a bit of fan service complete with a shot of Kara with a flowing cape.

 

[Just_one]

say what u want about DC and DCEU but if this trailer doesnt get u hyped nothing will...

Lanters mentioned aswell...goddamn bring on november!

just a quick question...they say unite the seven...but who is the seventh? Green Latern / Super Girl?

Superman , Batman , Wonder Woman , Cyborg , Flash , Aquaman...its one missing...

 

[Rogan]

say what u want about DC and DCEU but if this trailer doesnt get u hyped nothing will...

I fully agree. Wonder Woman though, that movie made the hype for Justice League real.

 

[PowderedToast]

Anyone else think the staging feels like a step down from mos and bvs?

It looks more flat and less inventive, and the lighting doesn't help

take the scene at the end on the rooftop with gordon. It's so clearly a soundstage because of how it's lit.

 

[DecoReturns]

Anyone else think the staging feels like a step down from mos and bvs?

It looks more flat and less inventive, and the lighting doesn't help

take the scene at the end on the rooftop with gordon. It's so clearly a soundstage because of how it's lit.

Well I remember reading this film was mostly soundstage because Zack said it was a hassle to film on location. You know, closing off streets and all that.

Can't post link since I'm on mobile

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Yeah, hopefully. Would be pretty funny if Wonder Woman was nominated the leader of the Justice League.

She should be. She's thousands of years old and is well trained in the art of war.

 

[True Savior]

Is the dude at the end talking to Alfred possibly Cap. Marvel / Shazam? (if not the easy guess)

It's Christian Bale

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

It's hard for me to imagine her showing up as well. Especially with Wonder Woman on the roster. At most I'm just expecting it's part of some Kryptonian data library nonsense they recover with intel on Steppenwolf. And a bit of fan service complete with a shot of Kara with a flowing cape.

Likely. I believe she was on the crashed Kryptonian ship on earth but managed to get out, as evidenced by the solitary open pod. So it could be that she was there for the original battle thousands of years ago.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Finally got to see the trailer, looking good

So end of the trailer is it Superman or Nightwing thats talking to Alfred

Superman. Look at the merchandise for the film.

I don't know what this is referencing but that has got to be the best freehand circle I have ever seen!

Yeah, that's seriously perfect. Maybe there's a knack we're not seeing due to the low-quality gif - like a pin in the centre with a piece of fishing line tied around the pen to guide it in a circle.

say what u want about DC and DCEU but if this trailer doesnt get u hyped nothing will...

Lanters mentioned aswell...goddamn bring on november!

just a quick question...they say unite the seven...but who is the seventh? Green Latern / Super Girl?

Superman , Batman , Wonder Woman , Cyborg , Flash , Aquaman...its one missing...

Seeing as the Green Lantern Corps is mentioned, maybe Green Lantern will be the next character they introduce? Was Super Girl ever part of the Justice League? Martian Manhunter is probably a bit weird to bring in just yet. How about Green Arrow?