Sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean Sony showed the move prior to the Wiimote?
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Kaz Hirai: We will let Microsoft make the first move
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Sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Do you mean Sony showed the move prior to the Wiimote?
Mysterious
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Sony showed off Move before the Wii Remote? Am I reading this right, or...?
And Nintendo has more originality than Sony, though I do still love PlayStation.
While I don't care about endless discussions on what constitutes a "console generation", the Wii U is "current generation" by definition as it is Nintendo's newest currently sold console system. A system is only "next" as long as it isn't available in stores (of course "next generation" is still used to refer to currently available products - which is why this discussion is pointless).
That's the reasonable interpretation.
So what then?
Some other small cylindrical mammal that is familiar with off the shelf PC components?
Kazuma Kiryu
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^This. Unbelievable how many people don't even bother to read the article.
Dreams-Visions
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Win.
Shai-Tan
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I've been saying that the advantage of first mover is over rated in the console space where specs are fixed. The PS3 could have been significantly (as in noticeably) better than the 360 if the hardware designers didn't have their heads up their asses. Instead the system that launched a year later ended up worse or barely at parity in multi platform games. If the PS3 had a better GPU XBL and exclusives/moneyhat would be the only thing keeping people on an Xbox. (edit: not that it will be all about games again when secondary e.g. set top box functionality is expected to be important but those markets are so nascent that it could make a difference or be completely irrelevant - the only evidence I see that people will use an Xbox frequently for IP based TV is that the cable companies are incredibly slow to roll out their own on demand services)
fluffydelusions
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Sony have lost it. They no longer innovate...just copy and/or play it safe. Though maybe they have to given their financial situation.
CloakedPuppet
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Mysterious
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I feel Hirai is going to send PlayStation off in a new direction with the PlayStation 4 as Iwata did with the Wii; Wii was the first console to launch under Iwata's control (Nintendo DS even had input from Yamauchi) and the PS4 will be the first console to launch under Hirai as CEO of Sony Corporation, and since he has a connection to SCEI (unlike Stringer), he might be treating it as his baby. And he turned the PS3 around remarkably with the PS3 Slim and a complete marketing overhaul in Mid-2009. Vita was being developed as Sony was making a transition into this "new era" and launched before Hirai even became CEO.
It's astonishing how eagerly people like you bend reality to fit their petty worldview.
Metallix87
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Irrelevant. The reason Sony pushed motion controls is because of Nintendo. That much was obvious from E3 2006, when the Sixaxis demo looked absolutely atrocious.
MikeE21286
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lol
The_Hitcher89
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Ideal: Unveil last, release first
Likely reality: Unveil last, release last
Pessimistic potential reality: Unveil last, release last, DOA
Likely reality: Unveil last, release last
Pessimistic potential reality: Unveil last, release last, DOA
Yes. In 2000 they showed it off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mheOtyWNjV0
Yes.
You're right of course but I'm just saying they showed off the idea first obviously. Also I agree with you on Sixaxis.
How big is the patch for that going to be?
Mysterious
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But the technology and its applications are fundamentally different than from that video. Do you think Sports Champions (Move's killer app) would have been developed if not for the massive success of Wii Sports?
Femmeworth
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As long as they release the bloody thing first.
RyanReedyMusic
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Who cares who makes the first move. We are going to get the console of our choice anyways.
If the nextbox is coming out this year, the best they can do is come out at the same time.
Graphics Horse
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That was NOT MOVE.
It's purely line/circle recognition from the camera, they had no sensors or buttons in it. It was a coloured stick, I was playing with coloured sticks before Sony entered the games industry.
Bye I'm not saying anyone is better. Just pointing out who showed what first. I agree with you on the success thing . Also
I had an EyeToy game for PS2 that was only about sports. It had baseball, boxing and tennis, I think. Don't remember the exact name, though.
edit: ^That one.
Based on his track record, this is not a good thing. He was directly responsible for the fucking Vita. Sony will go under with him in charge.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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PSY's post is so hilarious.
ThisWreckage
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The Vita has not been a financial success, but it's one of the best handhelds in terms of aesthetics and power ever. If the PS4 follows that line of thinking then I'd be fine with that.
Weren't there rumors that the OS will be similar to the Vitas? That would be so nice. If so then cross game chat would maybe be in so people can stop begging lmao
I don't want to put too much effort into analyzing a soundbyte, but it sounds like Sony is going down the raw specification route again, since they want to go later so that they can make up for any shortcomings once they know what Microsoft has (adding in more RAM late in the game for example). The core gamer in me says yay, but considering Sonys financial situation, they obviously shouldn't sell for a large loss again, and they should already have their price target figured out so any unexpected hardware changes could bring up costs.
That said, 8GB GDDR5...Drool.
That said, 8GB GDDR5...Drool.
Synth_floyd
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We will let MS make the first move? What does that even mean? The PS4 has been in development for years. They can't just change the whole thing based on a future MS press conference. They can tweak it though after MS shows the next Xbox...but then MS can also tweak the Xbox after Sony reveals their PS.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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a sports games compilation based on a controller that can mimic the actions of those sports is a no-brainer. im sorry. and no, the lack of sensors matters little. the fundamental concept behind move is that the camera tracks the controller and what you're doing. the sensors have only helped to refine that concept. if there was no PS Eye and the Move used an IR sensor bar on top of your TV then you guys could have your 'sony copied' victory dance, as it would mean sony threw out their move/eye ideas and just opted to straight copy.
also: there was a game for EyeToy called Kinetic. sounds familiar.
but back on topic: i think kaz is just bluffing because he doesn't want to have to answer questions about Orbis until they're ready. both consoles are as good as final if they are to launch Q4.
also: there was a game for EyeToy called Kinetic. sounds familiar.
but back on topic: i think kaz is just bluffing because he doesn't want to have to answer questions about Orbis until they're ready. both consoles are as good as final if they are to launch Q4.
Pricing strategy is what I get out of this.
Mysterious
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I'm not saying anyone is better either.
Midnight Phoenix
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Move and Wii mote is two different technologies. Stop to compare them. Move uses augmented reality markers and Mote uses three-axis accelerometer (i.e gimped DS3).
Kung Fu Grip
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Was the question really in reference to MS? I bet it he was just talking in general.
Sorry I meant to say "more original".
Synth_floyd
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It's not like when MS reveals the price that it's set in stone.
MS: "Durango will be $400!"
Sony: "Orbis will be $350!"
MS: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"
But it's currently out. It's not coming next.
(I get that you're trying to say it's 8th gen, but it's also not incorrect to say it's current gen, it would be wrong to say next gen since it's not upcoming, it's already here. The other person didn't say 8th generation, (s)he just said current)
I wouldn't if I were you lol. People got banned for this type of mess.
Educate them!
Mysterious
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Anyways, I just wanted to say that this arms race for the most powerful console would be a stupid economical decision. People will buy the consoles for the games regardless of RAM and CPU power. If the console is only medium-powerful (maybe a tad bit more powerful than the Wii U), then it would allow Microsoft and Sony to launch their consoles at an attractive price point for the universal market rather than die hard fans. And most importantly - it would allow both consoles to generate a profit or at least break even; this is especially important in Sony's case.
Case-in-point: PlayStation, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii.
The PlayStation Vita is more powerful than the Nintendo 3DS and the iPhone 4 (competitor when Vita was first announced). Yet, it hasn't captured the minds and hearts of the mass market despite having extremely attractive hardware.
I recall a quote from Reggie at E3 2010, "Technology is only a tool... the thing that does matter is the experience." And that certainly seems to be the case here. Just wow me in another way other than "OMGZ 8 GB RAMZ" with software to support it and I'll be there Day One.
Case-in-point: PlayStation, PlayStation 2, Nintendo DS, Wii.
The PlayStation Vita is more powerful than the Nintendo 3DS and the iPhone 4 (competitor when Vita was first announced). Yet, it hasn't captured the minds and hearts of the mass market despite having extremely attractive hardware.
I recall a quote from Reggie at E3 2010, "Technology is only a tool... the thing that does matter is the experience." And that certainly seems to be the case here. Just wow me in another way other than "OMGZ 8 GB RAMZ" with software to support it and I'll be there Day One.