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KILLZONE 2 @ E3 2008 - ONLINE Revealed
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Fenderputty
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AmMortal said:
32 PLAYERS 16X16
I don't remember the modes. You've heard about the badge system right? Clan betting?
Valkyr Junkie
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oneHeero said:
I too thought it was just that the people playing have been terrible at console FPS games, but after listening to David Ellis on 1UY he says that the controls in K2 are pretty rough at this state. Since he's big into shooters, I take this as a warning sign. Hopefully in their effort to get the rest of the game polished, GG won't let something like this slip through the cracks. I don't recall the aiming in KZ1 being a problem outside of the fact that the low framerate made everything a little more difficult.
Tideas said:
Metalmurphy said:
You guys are the reason there is so much fighting. It's not just MY damn opinion something is wrong with the AI... impressions all over have stated the AI is weak, even snoopers said it wasn't too bright. Don't get me wrong the new video appears to be on normal and not toned down, because they flank and take cover. There were minor problems that could be cleaned up within those 5 months of development.
However it has nothing to do with needing ammo to bash the game. I've been defending this game since the last e3 reveal. Check the history if you want. The AI in the gamersyde video sucked, IMO. It's not forum fodder or me being a troll. It's not because I "can't bash the graphics"... it's because I was concerned the AI wasn't up to speed.
edit- Metalmurphy the AI being a problem is NOT a "new" thing... it's been talked about as a problem since last e3. For the record I defended it then saying it was toned down. When I heard it wasn't toned down it made me nervous, but it turns out it truly was, as proven by the new videos. Either that or it's incredibly inconsistent.
BruceLeeRoy said:
I thought this deserved another quote.
http://www.gamespot.com/video/928377/6194262/killzone-2-e3-2008-stage-show-demoAmMortal said:
Lots of online details
http://gamersyde.com/news_6898_en.html
Gameplay from gamersyde
msdstc said:
Truth right there..
Hope they work on it if that's so. However,surely A.I doesn't matter online does it? FPS are usually online orientated.
McLovin said:http://www.gamespot.com/video/928377/6194262/killzone-2-e3-2008-stage-show-demo
Lots of online details
http://gamersyde.com/news_6898_en.html
Gameplay from gamersyde
Thanks McLovin' :lol
AmMortal said:
Thanks man... Like I said though. In the new videos the AI looked great! And that's what I expected in a game set to normal. If it was anything like the AI in the gamersyde video, then there were some problems. Looks to me like the AI will live up to the hype that guerilla has been talking about.
edit- For the record yeah AI doesn't matter if you can play online, but at the same time I want an epic single player. With graphics like that hopefully we get some beautiful environments and such, and some great battles. It would make everything so much more visceral.
ypo said:
Here it is again. What are you suggesting... am I trolling? Am I bias? Like I said check the history man you're wrong.
Also if you've supposedly been following this you'd see that there was a stage demo where guerilla themselves said the AI was on normal and not toned down. Turns out it was just for that video, which we didn't see enough in to determine the AI anyways.
AmMortal said:Let's hope the A.I is up to speed. Let's hope they actually read all the forums ( GAF
They've got till '09 dammit
I agree man, but I think it will be after that new video showing what the AI is really like. Like I said it's flanking and taking cover. There were a few reaction problems in the new video, but nothing 5 months of developing can't clean up. Guerilla themselves said the bells and whistles are all in place, now it's all about AI and gameplay.
ypo said:
I personally think that there's two options here:
1: The A.I was toned down ( as with many booths)
2: Even if the A.I was weak, they've got enough time to give it the destructive force Ghengis Khan's army.
msdstc said:
Exactly, it's not for naught called a Pre-Alpha phase. People need to stop making hate on a beautiful game
Just look at this:
My God...
AmMortal said:I personally think that there's two options here:
1: The A.I was toned down ( as with many booths)
2: Even if the A.I was weak, they've got enough time to give it the destructive force Ghengis Khan's army.
Exactly, it's not for naught called a Pre-Alpha phase. People need to stop making hate on a beautiful game
Just look at this:
My God...
Well what happened was it was confirmed the AI was toned down on the pods. BUT when the developers played it was not toned down. In the new video it appears to be set on normal all the way with developers playing through and it looks great. They will have time to make it better too.
However regarding pre-alpha. The reason I was worried before is because 4 1/2 months is not a lot of time to completely overhaul the AI. They could make it ok, but not great in that time, or at least that's what I think. AI is a whole system, not just something to tweak now and then, and it looked like there were some serious problems with it. In the end it was toned down, which is great to hear though.
edit- oh and that gif... I agree. Look at the metal texture, the lighting off of it... and notice his fingers changing positions. Incredible attention to detail.
Dever said:
http://www.e3coverage.com/E32008/e32008_killzone2.html
Looks much better in this video. It's not perfect, but it's definitely something that can be improved upon in 5 months.
Metalmurphy
Member
Trends always make a comeback. It's the "new thing" at the moment. That's what I meantmsdstc said:
Metalmurphy said:Trends always make a comeback. It's the "new thing" at the moment. That's what I meant
You just haven't been following it then man, because it's always been a cause for concern. I never understood, because I always thought it was toned down, which turns out true anyways, which is GREAT news. I'm just saying you guys gotta stop accusing me or looking for ammo against the game. Like I said and AmMortal agrees, I've defended the game since reveal.
AmMortal said:
It looks so good! Watching it gets me all excited:lol. I love how one guy comes out of the background and he starts getting shot at, so he runs to the nearest cover, while his teammate is flanking and blindfiring. Looks like they'll be working together. Can' even imagine what the hardest difficulty will be like.
msdstc said:
If you were not trolling then you were being purposely stubborn, stupid or whatever. If you want to cover your ears and refuse to listen to what was pointed out repeatedly then you were just being stupid.
Not that this matters now since you have come to your senses, but I was just pointing out why people responded to you the way they did.
Rapping Granny
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msdstc said:
AHH FAWK, the producer of K2 is the same producer for Genji 2. SHIT TACO!
SolidSnakex
Member
Rapping Granny said:
Kyle produces many of Sony's games. It really doesn't mean much. Hell, Naughty Dog mentioned at Developer 08 that they don't even have producers.
Am I the only person who doesnt really care about AI in a FPS? Most of the fun will be had online with other people. Even with 1p campaigns in FPS no matter how high the AI setting is, its always pretty easy imo compared to playing against a human. 1p mode on fps was always more of a way for me to get familiar with the different weapons and how the game works.
Im not making excuses for what may or may not be weak AI in this game, but I personally have never really given AI a second thought in a game like this. Id rather them put most of their efforts into the online multiplayer even if the 1p AI is nothing more than scarecrows. :lol
Im not making excuses for what may or may not be weak AI in this game, but I personally have never really given AI a second thought in a game like this. Id rather them put most of their efforts into the online multiplayer even if the 1p AI is nothing more than scarecrows. :lol
ypo said:
Oh bullshit. You're probably just one of them. I pointed out that the AI was flawed in the gamersyde video and you and all your friends came out crying "troll! troll! The graphics are fine now, you can't find anything else to pick on?! TROLL!" Like I said I wasn't the only one. You guys have this belief that there is a big anti-sony conspiracy out there... and while I agree there is some bias, not everyone it like that. Plenty of hands on impressions including snoopers (from GAF himself) said the AI was dumb. Plain and simple.
What I responded with was... yeah there is a few months left, but this isn't the time where you're supposed to be overhauling the whole AI system. You can polish and perfect it, but not redo the whole damn thing. Now is where you do beta testing and find any bugs and iron it all out.
Either way I've seen the actual AI in motion and the confusion of whether it was toned down or not has been cleared. I'm as hyped as ever, but wait why? Shouldn't I hate this game and find something else to pick on? Oh wait that's right... I'm not a troll.
AmMortal said:
A demo would be incredible. The best demo even over uncharted back in the day.
Doubledex said:
I don't get what you're saying.
haunts said:
I can understand where you are coming from, a lot of people just play through single player to get into the multi player. But for me, a great single player is just as important as multiplayer, or at least some of the time (warhawk is a good example where it doesn't matter). I love single player campaigns though, because if you're not in the mood for online you can have a great story with some nice scenes and different areas to view. AI is definitely a major part of what makes campaigns work.
msdstc said:
Oh so it's "you and your friend" type of argument now :lol So you were just being stupid I see. Just letting you know, there wasn't a need for an overhaul as the AI was toned down for the show, but you know you were being stubborn and stuff. You just wanted to assume for the worse despite the facts.
Awntawn said:
Half Life 2 maybe? Resistance? I dunno.. been a while.. but I always play on the hardest level and it just seems like target practice to me..
msdstc said:
I can see that, and its not that the single player isnt fun or anything, but its just I think nothing really compares to playing an actual human. If you have good reflexes and good aim or whatever, most of the 1p campaigns have been relatively simple for me.
Seriously people?
Wouldn't you be watching the environment of this game, rather than paying attention to A.I or what was it a few months ago?.....textures..?
Whatever it is, you people love to argue, now, the guy obviously, gives you straight forward evidence that puts him in a better position to criticize, so let's stop this and enjoy the gifs.
Wouldn't you be watching the environment of this game, rather than paying attention to A.I or what was it a few months ago?.....textures..?
Whatever it is, you people love to argue, now, the guy obviously, gives you straight forward evidence that puts him in a better position to criticize, so let's stop this and enjoy the gifs.
mr_nothin said:
I wasn't the one who brought it up during the argument... various people in the thread pointed it out to me that it wasn't toned down. I argued that it was similar to you guys (without bitching about them trolling), until they pointed me to the livewire stage demo. He said the AI and difficulty is set to normal in the video, which I wasn't judging anywas... I was judging the AI based on the gamersyde video and impressions from snoopers, which various people told me was not toned down. I continued to say in my posts well if it's not toned down we may have a problem, if it is it's fine.
ypo said:
edit- I wrote this wrong
No I mean the usual suspects. The ones who are so quick to call somebody a troll based on pointing out imperfections. I know now the AI was toned down, but due to several posters and a miscommunication in the livewire video, I was lead to believe it wasn't. I didn't want to assume the worst ass. This is seriously my most hyped game (next to LBP) of maybe all time. Since 05 I've been dying to see it, and now that we've seen it I'm dying to play it.
AmMortal said:
The beauty is half the appeal or maybe even more. It's almost surreal. I've wanted to play it just to see what it's like to control a game like this... it's like controlling a cgi movie ALMOST. I love single player though, there are so many sites to see and epic battles to be had
Doubledex said:
Wah